I am getting ready to build my second boat. My first boat was the 8
foot flat bottom boat from the book "The New Instant Boats." My
little boat came out very nice and it was a great first boat to build.
For my next boat I want to make a small sail boat. I want to use
this boat in river and the bay. There are two boats I am looking at,
the Glen-17 and the Minuet (15).

http://www.glen-l.com/designs/sailboat/minuet.html

http://www.glen-l.com/designs/sailboat/gl17.html

Has anyone seen or build these boats? I am wondering about stability.
Any other suggestions would be great. Thanks.

Randall - Philadelphia, PA

There are several builders of each design listed in the Project Registry on the
Glen-L web site (see lower left hand side of the home page) You might contact
the builders direct.

May I suggest you look at the Core Sound 17. While it's a bit bigger it is
an excellent sail boat with good support. Or the Bay river skif. There are
proven good designs and they are very good looking boats too.

Check out http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/

I am going to order plans for the CS-20 to build this comming winter.
Everything I read about these boats is good. I have looked for a long time
trying to find the perfect daysailer. While maybe not perfect these boats
come as close I think I will ever find. (an no, I don't work for them)

Kudzu *\\
"Randall" wrote in message
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I am getting ready to build my second boat. My first boat was the 8
foot flat bottom boat from the book "The New Instant Boats." My
little boat came out very nice and it was a great first boat to build.
For my next boat I want to make a small sail boat. I want to use
this boat in river and the bay. There are two boats I am looking at,
the Glen-17 and the Minuet (15).

http://www.glen-l.com/designs/sailboat/minuet.html

http://www.glen-l.com/designs/sailboat/gl17.html

Has anyone seen or build these boats? I am wondering about stability.
Any other suggestions would be great. Thanks.

Randall - Philadelphia, PA

I was looking at the Minuet and man that is a pretty boat. I have to admit I
was take by her lines.

I want to add one thing to my previous post. Some will of course disagree,
but a cabin on a 17" boat is near useless except for kids and storing gear.
While they look good they are two small for any real use. They eat up
cockpit space and that is where you sail the boat from.

If you want to sail look at an open cockpit. If you want camp I would
suggest looking at a bigger boat. My old CAL 21's cockpit tended to get a
bit small with 4 in it.

Your milage may vay of course

"Kudzu" ) writes:

I want to add one thing to my previous post. Some will of course disagree,
but a cabin on a 17" boat is near useless except for kids and storing gear.
While they look good they are two small for any real use. They eat up
cockpit space and that is where you sail the boat from.

that's the problem addressed by Phil Boldger's "birdseye" style cabin. you
also see them on designs by Bolger deciples.

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On 11 Mar 2004 08:35:19 -0800, (Randall) wrote:


For my next boat I want to make a small sail boat. I want to use
this boat in river and the bay. There are two boats I am looking at,
the Glen-17 and the Minuet (15).

I've always thought the Glen-17 looked nice in pictures, but in that
size range I would definitely consider Sam Devlin's Nancy's China
(http://www.devlinboat.com/dcnancyschina.htm) and Winter Wren
(http://www.devlinboat.com/dcwinterwren.htm). I saw examples of both
these boats at the Pt. Townsend Wooden Boat Festival last year. They
look even sweeter in person than they do in pictures. For a more
modern boat in the same size range, I would consider the short version
of Mertens' Vagabond (which can be built in either 18- or 20-foot
versions).

If you can live without the little cabin, I would consider the Core
Sound boats suggested by another poster, as well as the CK-17 from
http://www.boatplans-online.com/products.php?id=13. Something about a
minimalist camp cruiser appeals to me, but then I have Puget Sound to
explore.

Good luck.

Rick Tyler
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depths of ignominy." Patrick O'Brian

Thanks for the great input. there is a great website I found ...

http://pocketcruiserguide.com/BoatsUbuild.htm

This site has a ton of great links.


What do you think the most popular home built boat is?

I am looking for a small boat, with a cabin. The cabin will be used
for gear rain shelter and maybe over a over night trips. I would like
to have this boat small enough to stay in my garage. To fit this bill
I am adding two new boats to the list for you guys to check out.


The Weekender
http://www.stevproj.com/PocketYachts.html

and

Hartley TS16 Trailer Sailer They are claming 10,000 of these boats
have been made.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/youngenr/ts16/


Now I am more confused than ever... I like them all

but I think the Weekender or the Minuet is in the lead.


Rick Tyler wrote in message . ..
On 11 Mar 2004 08:35:19 -0800, (Randall) wrote:


For my next boat I want to make a small sail boat. I want to use
this boat in river and the bay. There are two boats I am looking at,
the Glen-17 and the Minuet (15).

I've always thought the Glen-17 looked nice in pictures, but in that
size range I would definitely consider Sam Devlin's Nancy's China
(http://www.devlinboat.com/dcnancyschina.htm) and Winter Wren
(http://www.devlinboat.com/dcwinterwren.htm). I saw examples of both
these boats at the Pt. Townsend Wooden Boat Festival last year. They
look even sweeter in person than they do in pictures. For a more
modern boat in the same size range, I would consider the short version
of Mertens' Vagabond (which can be built in either 18- or 20-foot
versions).

If you can live without the little cabin, I would consider the Core
Sound boats suggested by another poster, as well as the CK-17 from
http://www.boatplans-online.com/products.php?id=13. Something about a
minimalist camp cruiser appeals to me, but then I have Puget Sound to
explore.

Good luck.

Rick Tyler

If you serious about a Weekender check out the following message board.
http://www.messing-about.com/forum/index.php
Lots of weekender talk on here in the Main Forum. All I can say about that
boat is it's a great looking boat. Very salty. But as for sailing
performance I don't know. Just remember when your inside the boat you have
to sail it and looks don't mean a thing. :-)

As you can tell I am more into the sailing qualities of boat and looks are
second. A close second!! But they are second. Here is another boat to check
out.
http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/
The page was down but they have new version taken from the Core Sound 17
that has a cabin. Just search around on the pages and will find it. It
should have the same great sailing qualities of the Core 17 and it has the
cabin you want and the smaller size.

It is a Cat Ketch rig which I am a big fan of. Effortless to sail and very
efficent rig. And one of the best things about any of the B and B boat
designs is that you can can contact the designer personaly for help.He gives
his phone number with the plans and reads the Messing About in Boats forum
and comments when asked questions. Where else can you contact the designer
and ask questions??

Let me kow what you decide.

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Randall ) writes:
Thanks for the great input. there is a great website I found ...

http://pocketcruiserguide.com/BoatsUbuild.htm

This site has a ton of great links.

here's the website of a fellow who decided recently on a small cruiser to
build ...

www.huv.com/sailing

there are lots of small cruisers which I consider to be solo boats but
which are marketed as 2-4 person pocket cruisers. they are okay for two
people for a long weekend but for a 1-2 week vacation they are one-person
cruisers. It's usually proposed you can take 2 children and make them
sleep in the cockpit, or let the kids have the cabin and the parents sleep
in the cockpit, depends on who wants to battle the biting insects and damp
night air.

I started a 15 ft lightweight solo cruiser design which you can see on my
website under "Boats" and then "Designs". Its so light I'd have to sleep
on the centerline. Mostly I wanted to predict performance so you'll see a
lot of numbers and comparisons with other boats, including racing dingy's,
if you're interested in that sort of thing.

the UK "Dingy Cruising Association" has a website you might like to see. I
don't have the address but a search at www.google.com will find it.


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On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:39:02 -0600, "Kudzu"
wrote:

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It is a Cat Ketch rig which I am a big fan of. Effortless to sail and very
efficent rig. And one of the best things about any of the B and B boat
designs is that you can can contact the designer personaly for help.He gives
his phone number with the plans and reads the Messing About in Boats forum
and comments when asked questions. Where else can you contact the designer
and ask questions??

www.bateau2.com

- Rick

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