I'm 17 and thinking about going to a wooden yacht restoration and
construction school. Some people have told me that this kind of work is
bad on your hearing, and I've read some stuff that says by age 25 many
carpenters have the hearing of a 50 year old. As a musician, I value my
hearing. So what I'm wondering is. 1. What's the biggest cause
specifically of this, if anything. and 2. What could I do to avoid it?

"psx1337" wrote in message
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I'm 17 and thinking about going to a wooden yacht restoration and
construction school. Some people have told me that this kind of work is
bad on your hearing, and I've read some stuff that says by age 25 many
carpenters have the hearing of a 50 year old. As a musician, I value my
hearing. So what I'm wondering is. 1. What's the biggest cause
specifically of this, if anything. and 2. What could I do to avoid it?

1. Noise. In my younger days I made a living as a framing carpenter.
Between saws, hammer blows, compressors, nailguns etc., a jobsite is doggone
noisy - 120+ decibels (anything over 85 is bad).
2. Hearing protection, either disposable foam plugs or ear muffs. I was
considered a "wimp" by some on the crew for my diligent use of hearing
protection. Twenty five years later, I have my hearing - 'nuff said.
--
Mike Harris
Austin, TX

Having been building boats for 20 years and being a road manager of a rock
band for 3 years I can definitely say that the 3 years on the road did a
heck of a lot more damage to my ears than the boatbuilding has. :-) OTOH,
the LPU, polyester fumes and teak dust have done a lot more damage to my
nose. ;-)

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"psx1337" wrote in message
ps.com...
I'm 17 and thinking about going to a wooden yacht restoration and
construction school. Some people have told me that this kind of work is
bad on your hearing, and I've read some stuff that says by age 25 many
carpenters have the hearing of a 50 year old. As a musician, I value my
hearing. So what I'm wondering is. 1. What's the biggest cause
specifically of this, if anything. and 2. What could I do to avoid it?

Thanks for that info. I have a request for some other info if anyone
could help me out. I looked at this school the other day in Rhode
Island called the International Yacht Restoration School. www.iyrs.org
It's a nice school but I'm also looking at this program with Chapman
called the Professional Mariner Training program. It's 12 weeks and I
believe the campus is down in Florida. Before I do any of that, though,
I'm looking to get a job at maybe a marina or shipyard. Could anyone
suggest what positions I could look for with not much experience in
boats?

"psx1337" wrote in message
ps.com...
I'm 17 and thinking about going to a wooden yacht restoration and
construction school. Some people have told me that this kind of work is
bad on your hearing, and I've read some stuff that says by age 25 many
carpenters have the hearing of a 50 year old. As a musician, I value my
hearing. So what I'm wondering is. 1. What's the biggest cause
specifically of this, if anything. and 2. What could I do to avoid it?


You may also want to check out Google for the effects of "exotic wood dust".
You will be seeing plenty of different types of wood in boat construction.
Save your lungs and skin along with your ears.

'psx' -

I don't know who you have been 'listening' to, or if this whole thing is a
'troll' . . . Plus I just have a feeling that your idea of a 'musician'
doesn't have anything to with a local Philharmonic.

Rhode Island - especially if it's associated with the International Yachting
Museum, or the Herreshoff Museum - will probably give you a good start.

Some school in Florida that claims to turn you into a 'Professional Mariner'
is 12 weeks . . . sounds like a scam {to be overly polite}. Nor is a
'Mariner' necessarily a competent boat builder or restorer, wooden or
otherwise.

As far as a job at a marina or shipyard for someone with no experience?? . .
.. try 'Dock Rat', 'Wharf Bum' or other 'non-politically correct' term for
the someone who washes & HAND waxes {NO WAY are they going to let YOU touch
a power buffer to a hull}boats for about $6.oo/hr. That's not what the
company gets . . . it's what YOU get.

There is NO WAY to 'get rich quick', or get the specialized, varied
knowledge & develop the 'muscle memory' without a LOT of sweat, effort,
dedication, and TIME. Saying Rhode Island's 'O.K.' but intimating that
'Florida' and '12-weeks' sounds better - tells me a hell of a lot about you.

being 'politically incorrect and proud of it',
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
{PS - Unless you want to come down here and apply to Cherubini Yachts. Want
me to tell John to expect you . . .??}

"psx1337" wrote in message
ups.com...
Thanks for that info. I have a request for some other info if anyone
could help me out. I looked at this school the other day in Rhode
Island called the International Yacht Restoration School. www.iyrs.org
It's a nice school but I'm also looking at this program with Chapman
called the Professional Mariner Training program. It's 12 weeks and I
believe the campus is down in Florida. Before I do any of that, though,
I'm looking to get a job at maybe a marina or shipyard. Could anyone
suggest what positions I could look for with not much experience in
boats?

Alright, jackass. You have no place to insult me for calling myself a
musician. I play piano very well. That's being a musician. I'm confused
as to which direction I'd like to take in maritime jobs if any.. that's
why I am considering the 12 week Chapman course. I'm not as stupid as
you make me sound. I know that's completely different. You are of no
help. Go find something better to do.

Ron Magen wrote:
'psx' -

I don't know who you have been 'listening' to, or if this whole thing is a
'troll' . . . Plus I just have a feeling that your idea of a 'musician'
doesn't have anything to with a local Philharmonic.

Rhode Island - especially if it's associated with the International Yachting
Museum, or the Herreshoff Museum - will probably give you a good start.

Some school in Florida that claims to turn you into a 'Professional Mariner'
is 12 weeks . . . sounds like a scam {to be overly polite}. Nor is a
'Mariner' necessarily a competent boat builder or restorer, wooden or
otherwise.

As far as a job at a marina or shipyard for someone with no experience?? . .
. try 'Dock Rat', 'Wharf Bum' or other 'non-politically correct' term for
the someone who washes & HAND waxes {NO WAY are they going to let YOU touch
a power buffer to a hull}boats for about $6.oo/hr. That's not what the
company gets . . . it's what YOU get.

There is NO WAY to 'get rich quick', or get the specialized, varied
knowledge & develop the 'muscle memory' without a LOT of sweat, effort,
dedication, and TIME. Saying Rhode Island's 'O.K.' but intimating that
'Florida' and '12-weeks' sounds better - tells me a hell of a lot about you.

being 'politically incorrect and proud of it',
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
{PS - Unless you want to come down here and apply to Cherubini Yachts. Want
me to tell John to expect you . . .??}

"psx1337" wrote in message
ups.com...
Thanks for that info. I have a request for some other info if anyone
could help me out. I looked at this school the other day in Rhode
Island called the International Yacht Restoration School. www.iyrs.org
It's a nice school but I'm also looking at this program with Chapman
called the Professional Mariner Training program. It's 12 weeks and I
believe the campus is down in Florida. Before I do any of that, though,
I'm looking to get a job at maybe a marina or shipyard. Could anyone
suggest what positions I could look for with not much experience in
boats?

Hey, PSX, chill out. You tossed out a pretty broad question to a very
broad audience, and some responses may be less than diplomatic. Banging on
wood, melting lead into keels and crawling through bilges to fix corroded
wiring can make a guy a bit gruff.
Ron's advice may have come with a price to your dignity, but it was hardly
"of no help." Read it again. And if you do go to work in a boatyard, expect
to find a few co-workers, not to mention bosses and customers, who are less
than perfect gentlemen.

Alex

"psx1337" wrote in message
ups.com...
Alright, jackass. You have no place to insult me for calling myself a
musician. I play piano very well. That's being a musician. I'm confused
as to which direction I'd like to take in maritime jobs if any.. that's
why I am considering the 12 week Chapman course. I'm not as stupid as
you make me sound. I know that's completely different. You are of no
help. Go find something better to do.

Ron Magen wrote:
'psx' -

I don't know who you have been 'listening' to, or if this whole thing is
a
'troll' . . . Plus I just have a feeling that your idea of a 'musician'
doesn't have anything to with a local Philharmonic.

Rhode Island - especially if it's associated with the International
Yachting
Museum, or the Herreshoff Museum - will probably give you a good start.

Some school in Florida that claims to turn you into a 'Professional
Mariner'
is 12 weeks . . . sounds like a scam {to be overly polite}. Nor is a
'Mariner' necessarily a competent boat builder or restorer, wooden or
otherwise.

As far as a job at a marina or shipyard for someone with no experience??
. .
. try 'Dock Rat', 'Wharf Bum' or other 'non-politically correct' term for
the someone who washes & HAND waxes {NO WAY are they going to let YOU
touch
a power buffer to a hull}boats for about $6.oo/hr. That's not what the
company gets . . . it's what YOU get.

There is NO WAY to 'get rich quick', or get the specialized, varied
knowledge & develop the 'muscle memory' without a LOT of sweat, effort,
dedication, and TIME. Saying Rhode Island's 'O.K.' but intimating that
'Florida' and '12-weeks' sounds better - tells me a hell of a lot about
you.

being 'politically incorrect and proud of it',
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
{PS - Unless you want to come down here and apply to Cherubini Yachts.
Want
me to tell John to expect you . . .??}

"psx1337" wrote in message
ups.com...
Thanks for that info. I have a request for some other info if anyone
could help me out. I looked at this school the other day in Rhode
Island called the International Yacht Restoration School. www.iyrs.org
It's a nice school but I'm also looking at this program with Chapman
called the Professional Mariner Training program. It's 12 weeks and I
believe the campus is down in Florida. Before I do any of that, though,
I'm looking to get a job at maybe a marina or shipyard. Could anyone
suggest what positions I could look for with not much experience in
boats?

On 11 Aug 2006 12:19:46 -0700, "psx1337" wrote:

Thanks for that info. I have a request for some other info if anyone
could help me out. I looked at this school the other day in Rhode
Island called the International Yacht Restoration School. www.iyrs.org
It's a nice school but I'm also looking at this program with Chapman
called the Professional Mariner Training program. It's 12 weeks and I
believe the campus is down in Florida.

Here's a school in Maine that I have visited several times and seems
to run a first rate program:

http://www.thewoodenboatschool.com/

The Landing School http://www.thelandingschool.org/ in Kennebunkport, ME
offers courses in boatbuilding, design and systems. They are reported to do
a very good job at preparing people for actual employment in the marine
business,
The Woodenboat School offers 1 and 2 week courses in boatbuilding and
seamanship subjects. Kinda like summer camp for adults. It's a very nice
experience, but hardly professional training.


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On 11 Aug 2006 12:19:46 -0700, "psx1337" wrote:

Thanks for that info. I have a request for some other info if anyone
could help me out. I looked at this school the other day in Rhode
Island called the International Yacht Restoration School. www.iyrs.org
It's a nice school but I'm also looking at this program with Chapman
called the Professional Mariner Training program. It's 12 weeks and I
believe the campus is down in Florida.

Here's a school in Maine that I have visited several times and seems
to run a first rate program:

http://www.thewoodenboatschool.com/