Rick wrote in
nk.net:

beldar wrote:

You poor, propagandised American.

So sadly true ... The American Redneck (Boobus Americanus) cannot seem
top grasp the fact that he pays more for the growing number of uninsured
when they finally can no longer avoid medical services than it would
cost to provide them with a form of national insurance.

Rick



How long does it take to get, say, open heart surgery in this socialist
utopia run by government bureaucrats? How about elective surgery in non-
life-threatening conditions?

I can get in the operating room in Charleston, SC, USA in about 36 hours,
here.

Larry

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 03:49:16 -0000, Larry W4CSC
wrote:

Rick wrote in
ink.net:

beldar wrote:

You poor, propagandised American.

So sadly true ... The American Redneck (Boobus Americanus) cannot seem
top grasp the fact that he pays more for the growing number of uninsured
when they finally can no longer avoid medical services than it would
cost to provide them with a form of national insurance.

Rick



How long does it take to get, say, open heart surgery in this socialist
utopia run by government bureaucrats? How about elective surgery in non-
life-threatening conditions?

I can get in the operating room in Charleston, SC, USA in about 36 hours,
here.

....nice to have money, eh?

Larry W4CSC wrote:

How long does it take to get, say, open heart surgery in this socialist
utopia run by government bureaucrats? How about elective surgery in non-
life-threatening conditions?

You mean someplace like Denmark?
http://www.bertramonline.com/?c=health%20care

If the wait list is too long in Scandinavia (that bastion of socialism
where health care is rationed so tightly they live longer healthier
lives than we do) they can go to another country or shop around wherever
they like for care ... try that with your insurance.

Rick

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 03:49:16 -0000, Larry W4CSC
wrote:


How long does it take to get, say, open heart surgery in this socialist
utopia run by government bureaucrats? [U.K] How about elective surgery in non-
life-threatening conditions?

I can get in the operating room in Charleston, SC, USA in about 36 hours,
here.

Larry

It's the darnedest thing: Canada and Britain spend less than one half
as much a proportion of Gross National Product on Heathcare than we do
on Healthcare. Both of their Healthcare operations are run by
bureaucracies. And they BOTH live a little longer than we do.

But su they have to wait longer for surgery, and for routine
medical visits.
So I guess what it boils down to is this: OUR free enterprize health
bureaucracy is even more inefficient than their socialized
bureaucracies.

Brian Whatcott

Brian Whatcott wrote in
:

It's the darnedest thing: Canada and Britain spend less than one half
as much a proportion of Gross National Product on Heathcare than we do
on Healthcare. Both of their Healthcare operations are run by
bureaucracies. And they BOTH live a little longer than we do.

But su they have to wait longer for surgery, and for routine
medical visits.
So I guess what it boils down to is this: OUR free enterprize health
bureaucracy is even more inefficient than their socialized
bureaucracies.

Brian Whatcott


I don't think so. Our system runs on pure GREED, just like everything else
in our American Society. It's how the doctor gets that big beach house on
the ocean, the big yacht at the best marina, the finest cars in town. I
call it "victimization". We're not supposed to think about it, or, for God
sake, TALK about it, but doctors are victimizers, just like lawyers. They
have you by the short hairs and take whatever they can get from you (or
your insurance company).

Just look in any marina. The whole country runs on GREED. Me, too! I
charge whatever the market will bear for my services, just like WalMart,
Sears, Smith-Kline-French, Merck, Exxon-Mobil, Doctor Goodbody or the law
firm of Diaphram, Foam and Condom, PA. None of us got a boat by giving
ourselves away.

Larry.

The question arises, however..... Why is a lawyer who can't replace
batteries in a flashlight worth $600/hr when his computer technician only
makes $55/hour? Something's wrong with THAT picture....(c;

Larry W4CSC wrote:
Brian Whatcott wrote in
:


It's the darnedest thing: Canada and Britain spend less than one half
as much a proportion of Gross National Product on Heathcare than we do
on Healthcare. Both of their Healthcare operations are run by
bureaucracies. And they BOTH live a little longer than we do.

But su they have to wait longer for surgery, and for routine
medical visits.
So I guess what it boils down to is this: OUR free enterprize health
bureaucracy is even more inefficient than their socialized
bureaucracies.

Brian Whatcott



I don't think so.
Translation: Don't confuse me with any facts please, my mind is made up.

Our system runs on pure GREED, just like everything else
in our American Society.

and this is okay with you?
you poor suckers, when are enough of you going to wake up and smell the
coffee?



Snip

beldar wrote in
news

Our system runs on pure GREED, just like everything else
in our American Society.

and this is okay with you?

Sure! The greedy little *******s, just like me, can become millionaires
and buy those boats we all love, even bigger! I'm not envious of them, at
all.

you poor suckers, when are enough of you going to wake up and smell the
coffee?

Er, ah, coffee in our greedy empire is $US0.49 for unlimited refills. You
can drink coffee until you're shaking too bad to lift the cup.

How much was coffee in the socialist eutopias of England? France?
Germany? Switzerland?......per cup?!

How awful....
Larry

Somehow I would perfer a cup of coffee in Paris or London then one at work.

But that's just me. :-)


"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
beldar wrote in
news

Our system runs on pure GREED, just like everything else
in our American Society.

and this is okay with you?

Sure! The greedy little *******s, just like me, can become millionaires
and buy those boats we all love, even bigger! I'm not envious of them, at
all.

you poor suckers, when are enough of you going to wake up and smell the
coffee?

Er, ah, coffee in our greedy empire is $US0.49 for unlimited refills. You
can drink coffee until you're shaking too bad to lift the cup.

How much was coffee in the socialist eutopias of England? France?
Germany? Switzerland?......per cup?!

How awful....
Larry

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 22:36:25 -0000, Larry W4CSC
wrote:

Brian Whatcott wrote in
:

It's the darnedest thing: Canada and Britain spend less than one half
as much a proportion of Gross National Product on Heathcare than we do
on Healthcare. Both of their Healthcare operations are run by
bureaucracies. And they BOTH live a little longer than we do.

But su they have to wait longer for surgery, and for routine
medical visits.
So I guess what it boils down to is this: OUR free enterprize health
bureaucracy is even more inefficient than their socialized
bureaucracies.

Brian Whatcott


I don't think so. Our system runs on pure GREED, just like everything else
in our American Society. It's how the doctor gets that big beach house on
the ocean, the big yacht at the best marina, the finest cars in town. I
call it "victimization". We're not supposed to think about it, or, for God
sake, TALK about it, but doctors are victimizers, just like lawyers. They
have you by the short hairs and take whatever they can get from you (or
your insurance company).

Just look in any marina. The whole country runs on GREED. Me, too! I
charge whatever the market will bear for my services, just like WalMart,
Sears, Smith-Kline-French, Merck, Exxon-Mobil, Doctor Goodbody or the law
firm of Diaphram, Foam and Condom, PA. None of us got a boat by giving
ourselves away.

Larry.

The question arises, however..... Why is a lawyer who can't replace
batteries in a flashlight worth $600/hr when his computer technician only
makes $55/hour? Something's wrong with THAT picture....(c;



Call it greed if you like - but with a nod to the late great Pres.,
free enterprise can work pretty good.
And it works like this:
I can be as greedy as I want, and up the prices of my product as far
as I want. Go too far, and buyers look around for another source.
Then I bring my prices down to suit, or kiss the Marina good bye.

THAT'S free enterprise. So what stops US Health care working that way?

Look closely at what happens when co operatives start buying the SAME
drug abroad and re importing it.

Oh deary me - it's unsafe - those dirty Canadian hands have touched
it. They don't wash their hands.
Etc., etc..... Let's get the FDA to outlaw the practise. It's only
concern for out health, after all. Yada yada.
Yeah, right!

THAT'S the US bureaucracy I have in mind - helped by all too complicit
lawmakers and bureacrats.

Brian W

"Rick & Linda Bernard" wrote in
:

Somehow I would perfer a cup of coffee in Paris or London then one at
work.

But that's just me. :-)



Yes, but NONE of these coffee emporiums can compete with that first cup of
coffee from the percolator clamped onto a gimballed stove slanted back 20
degrees out in the Atlantic 200 miles from ANY of these places.

I'm not sure whether it's the constant agitation caused by the swells
coming up under the stern or what. But, it sure makes great "cockpit
coffee" on a fine morning at sea.

Don't mind me. Just got back from the Gulf Stream and having a
flashback....(c;

Larry
S/V Lionheart
Come alongside and I'll high line you a cup.