Can I use Solid wire for rewiring sailboat if not WHY?
 

what an absurd response!
For the willing: solid wire is intended for Ac because the current travels
thru the average of the thicknessas it alternates polarity. Dc travels on
the outside (skin effect) due to mutual repulsion of the electrons;
therefore stranded wire is best for high current loads of Dc. If the wire
is well supported and larger than necessary for the rated current AND
cheap enough vs stranded, then go with it. Otherwise, stranded.
rick

On Thu, 27 May 2004 03:05:29 GMT, Lew Hodgett
wrote:

Subject

If you have to ask that question, don't even consider the job.

Boats are wired with tinned stranded wire based on some solid
engineering.





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Subject: Can I use Solid wire for rewiring sailboat if not WHY?
From: none
Date: 5/27/2004 9:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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what an absurd response!
For the willing: solid wire is intended for Ac because the current travels
thru the average of the thicknessas it alternates polarity. Dc travels on
the outside (skin effect) due to mutual repulsion of the electrons;
therefore stranded wire is best for high current loads of Dc. If the wire
is well supported and larger than necessary for the rated current AND
cheap enough vs stranded, then go with it. Otherwise, stranded.
rick

When you go to sell the boat the surveyor will note that the electrical system
doesn't meet ABYC electrical standards.

Stranded, captive terminals, and no wire nuts.

Dennis

Can I use Solid wire for rewiring sailboat if not WHY?
 

One argument against soldered connections is that the molten solder can wick
up into the stranded wire and stiffen the wire back to a hard spot which, being
concealed by the insulation, can fatigue without being seen.



QLW wrote:

I usually solder connector on my boat and have never found this to fail.
I've never see this done but the manufacturers so there must be some
negative reason but I've not found it.

Can I use Solid wire for rewiring sailboat if not WHY?
 

In article ,
says...
For the willing: solid wire is intended for Ac because the current travels
thru the average of the thicknessas it alternates polarity. Dc travels on
the outside (skin effect) due to mutual repulsion of the electrons;
Hmm.. Additionally, that's wrong.
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Can I use Solid wire for rewiring sailboat if not WHY?
 

1) Skin effect is of concern - but only at frequencies well above
those used for power transmission. Start thinking about it at perhaps
5 MHz up. Skin effect is actually absent at DC

[in response to another well-intentioned post from someone else...]
2) an equal diameter of stranded and solid power line passing equal
currents, shows the stranded line getting hotter, with more volt drop,
because the resistance per unit length is higher for stranded.

Please don't share knowledge with us, willing or not, unless you're
sure. There's always someone to spot a misconception.

Brian W

On Thu, 27 May 2004 22:29:52 -0300, none
wrote:


what an absurd response!
For the willing: solid wire is intended for Ac because the current travels
thru the average of the thicknessas it alternates polarity. Dc travels on
the outside (skin effect) due to mutual repulsion of the electrons;
therefore stranded wire is best for high current loads of Dc. If the wire
is well supported and larger than necessary for the rated current AND
cheap enough vs stranded, then go with it. Otherwise, stranded.
rick

On Thu, 27 May 2004 03:05:29 GMT, Lew Hodgett
wrote:

Subject

If you have to ask that question, don't even consider the job.

Boats are wired with tinned stranded wire based on some solid
engineering.

Can I use Solid wire for rewiring sailboat if not WHY?
 

Oh sure they will. You can either put the bare wire there, or fix a terminal
to the wire and fasten it to the screw on the side.

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"Rod McInnis" wrote in message
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"Michael Sutton" wrote in message
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When boat manufacturers install 110v wiring in a boat at
the factory for the "house" 110v circuits (like lights, plugs,
A/C, tv, etc..) what do they use?



Stranded wire.

Note that the electrical outlets are different than the typical household
outlets as a result. An outlet that is designed for solid wire won't work
for stranded.

Rod

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"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
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Note that the electrical outlets are different than the typical
household outlets as a result. An outlet that is designed for solid
wire won't work for stranded.

They are exactly the same. You just don't use the push in connector.
Use the screw terminals with crimp on ring terminals.

The marine grade electrical outlets that I have used all have a clamp system
for securing stranded wire. You insert the wire into the hole in the back,
just like the household units. But instead of it being a "one way" catch,
the screw on the side tightens down the clamp.

Rod

Can I use Solid wire for rewiring sailboat if not WHY?
 

"none" wrote in message
...


For the willing: solid wire is intended for Ac because the current travels
thru the average of the thicknessas it alternates polarity. Dc travels on
the outside (skin effect) due to mutual repulsion of the electrons;


You have that backwards. Skin effect is an AC phenomenon. Here, check out
this web page from Institute for Telecommunications Sciences:
http://www.its.bldrdoc.gov/fs-1037/dir-033/_4923.htm

Note that skin effect is only significant at high frequencies. There is no
significant skin effect at 60 cycle per second.

Rod

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I didn't know that. Why is it not safe? What problems can it cause?

Thanks - Dan

wrote:
On Thu, 27 May 2004 19:03:47 -0500, dazed and confuzed
wrote:


QLW wrote:

I usually solder connector on my boat and have never found this to fail.
I've never see this done but the manufacturers so there must be some
negative reason but I've not found it.

Cost of assembly. It gets the boat out of the door, and it works long
enough to last until the end of the warranty.


Power wires should NEVER be soldered. It's against NEC and NFPA code
for good reason. It's not safe.

BB

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Can I use Solid wire for rewiring sailboat if not WHY?
 

NEVER solder an electrical connection within a vehicle or any machine that
is subject to motion or vibration. The solder creates a stress concentration
at the end of the solder, which in time will cause the wire to break right
at the joint. That is why it should never be done. Those that have done this
and not experienced a failure are simply lucky.
Steve

"QLW" wrote in message
...
I usually solder connector on my boat and have never found this to fail.
I've never see this done but the manufacturers so there must be some
negative reason but I've not found it.

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...
Ytter,
As a rule you should use FINE tin plated stranded wire. It should be
sheathed with either fiberglass or metal braiding. It can be ordered
from
an
industrial wire supply house. It cost more than other type wire, but the
overall cost difference at the job level is minimal. Just as
importantly,
you should consider the mode of most common failure of wiring. That is
corrosion at the wire terminal interface. To avoid the moisture
migration
cause, you should use crimp terminals without insulation and a crimping
tool
that provides enough pressure that the terminal to wire connection
actually
welds. Then shrink tubing is applied and after the terminal is installed
the
entire connection should be painted with a rubber compound. This also
can
be
ordered from the industrial supplier or directly from OMC.
Steve

"Ytter" wrote in message
...
I've heard different opinions what kind of wire is better for wiring
boats.Could you give me some of your expertise?
Thank You,
Ytter