Fish oil will get rid of the breaking waves. Or any vegetable oil. Mineral
oil does not spread but makes sort of globule patches here andthere and
besides it's illegal to dump. If not fish oil which seems to be the best
use some other organic matter such as wesson oil. Doesn't matter if it's
left over from the deep fryer! To keep the para style anchors from passing
through the troughs and crests of waves deploy them about three wave crests
out or more and put the boat on a 40 deg. orso angle tothe wave crests. (p.
81 Good Ole Boat Jul/Aug shows one good method) When your boat is on a
crest the anchor will be on another one and so on. For the mulitple drogue
system to work and it does work well you have to have enough to cover at
least one full wave length crest to crest to ensure a part of it will be
biting in to a sectionof one wave inthesame place as your boatis on another
one. Still need three plus waves for distance though. The multiple drogue
system is useful when you don't have time left to do much else. But then .
.. . .like reefing why did you wait? Never mind . . .lots of reasons and in
astorm is not time tobelabor the point. Now having gone through all that -
I have both systems plus five or more gallons of fish oil and I don't sail
during storm seasons. Careful . . . . but still prepared.

M.



"Bryan Glover" wrote in message
om...
Para anchor,sea anchors dont provide the protection in storms
advertised by the manufacturers. The leading yachting magazines
perpetuate the myth, because para anchor manufacturers are prolific
advertisers. Both parties show themselves as little better than bilge
raised haddock. Here is some examples of what research has concluded
about para anchors.

“Even with a large sea anchor the bow of a modern yacht will
tend to yaw
away from the wind when the towline goes slack as it will when the
boat passes through the trough of the wave. For these reasons the use
of a sea anchor deployed from the bow is not recommended”
U.S. Coast Guard Report No CG-D-20-87 sec 6-6
A series type drogue provides significant advantages over a cone or
parachute type drogue/sea anchor”
U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87

“ When we were doing our research for Surviving the storm, we
did not find a single positive experience in these conditions using
para anchors. And the unmistakable conclusion for us from this is that
in dangerously breaking seas, tactics other than a parachute anchor
have a higher chance of success – for most situations”.
Steve Dashew

“With a series drogue deployed, a well-designed and properly
constructed fibreglass boat should be capable of riding through a
Fastnet type storm with no structural damage. Model tests indicate
that the loads on the hull and rigging in a breaking wave strike
should not be excessive”
U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87 sec 6-4

“Para anchor users interviewed all find their parachute
anchors extremely difficult to retrieve in other than moderate wind
and sea.
A major factor regarding both personal comfort and one’s use
of parachute anchors in breaking seas is the boat’s tendency to
sail at anchor. As stated earlier, if your boat sails on the hook, the
odds are it will sail around even more fiercely while lying to a
parachute in the middle of the ocean. This oscillation creates extreme
loads, presents the bow at a wide and dangerous angle to the sea, and
is extremely uncomfortable.”
Steve Dashew

There is much more of the same on my web site www.seriesdrogue.com
I have the following questions:-
Do product description codes/laws cover para anchors
Is it legal to advertise para anchors as safe in open ocean storms.
Do yachting magazines do any research when writing articles, or are
they spoon fed by interest groups.

Regards
Bryan Glover

Actually . .. .waves break all across the oceans. Check your Force chart
photos. It's an offshore thing Jax.

M.

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
link.net...


JAXAshby wrote:
btw dood, you know -- of course -- the easiest way to to avoid breaking
waves
is to stay outside the hundred fathom line, don't you?


JAXtroll ......

Para anchor,sea anchors dont provide the protection in storms
advertised by the manufacturers. The leading yachting magazines
perpetuate the myth, because para anchor manufacturers are prolific
advertisers. Both parties show themselves as little better than bilge
raised haddock. Here is some examples of what research has concluded
about para anchors.

“Even with a large sea anchor the bow of a modern yacht will
tend to yaw
away from the wind when the towline goes slack as it will when the
boat passes through the trough of the wave. For these reasons the use
of a sea anchor deployed from the bow is not recommended”
U.S. Coast Guard Report No CG-D-20-87 sec 6-6
A series type drogue provides significant advantages over a cone or
parachute type drogue/sea anchor”
U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87

“ When we were doing our research for Surviving the storm, we
did not find a single positive experience in these conditions using
para anchors. And the unmistakable conclusion for us from this is that
in dangerously breaking seas, tactics other than a parachute anchor
have a higher chance of success – for most situations”.
Steve Dashew

“With a series drogue deployed, a well-designed and properly
constructed fibreglass boat should be capable of riding through a
Fastnet type storm with no structural damage. Model tests indicate
that the loads on the hull and rigging in a breaking wave strike
should not be excessive”
U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87 sec 6-4

“Para anchor users interviewed all find their parachute
anchors extremely difficult to retrieve in other than moderate wind
and sea.
A major factor regarding both personal comfort and one’s use
of parachute anchors in breaking seas is the boat’s tendency to
sail at anchor. As stated earlier, if your boat sails on the hook, the
odds are it will sail around even more fiercely while lying to a
parachute in the middle of the ocean. This oscillation creates extreme
loads, presents the bow at a wide and dangerous angle to the sea, and
is extremely uncomfortable.”
Steve Dashew

There is much more of the same on my web site www.seriesdrogue.com
I have the following questions:-
Do product description codes/laws cover para anchors
Is it legal to advertise para anchors as safe in open ocean storms.
Do yachting magazines do any research when writing articles, or are
they spoon fed by interest groups.

Regards
Bryan Glover

para anchor manufacturers are prolific
advertisers.

"prolific"? it seems you don't know what the word means. Here, let me help
you out.

prolific

\Pro*lif"ic\, 1. Having the quality of generating; producing young or fruit;
generative; fruitful; productive; -- applied to plants producing fruit, animals
producing young, etc.; -- usually with the implied idea of frequent or numerous
production; as, a prolific tree, female, and the like.

2. Serving to produce; fruitful of results; active; as, a prolific brain; a
controversy prolific of evil.

There is much more of the same on my web site www.seriesdrogu

ah, so THAT is what your rant was about. you are selling something

btw dood, you know -- of course -- the easiest way to to avoid breaking waves
is to stay outside the hundred fathom line, don't you?

Are you claiming that breaking waves cannot occur in a strong storm?


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
btw dood, you know -- of course -- the easiest way to to avoid breaking waves
is to stay outside the hundred fathom line, don't you?

JAXAshby wrote:
btw dood, you know -- of course -- the easiest way to to avoid breaking waves
is to stay outside the hundred fathom line, don't you?


JAXtroll ......

mmmmmm
This seems to be in direct opposition to the view of Lin and Larry
Pardy, who advocate lying hove to while attached to a small parachute,
etc. under 'survival'/breaking seas conditions ....... and (most
importantly) with the para anchor attached to bridle so that the boat
lays at an approximate 45 degree angle to the oncomming seas.

Thier chief argument is that the 'slip-wake turbulence' that is
produced while lying hove-to (at an anagle) will prevent the oncomming
seas to break. Ive tried it in less than 'survival' conditions and
such a 'turbulence slick' does in fact seem to 'calm the waters'
sufficiently to dampen the crest from breaking ..... just my (small
sample) personal observation.

Both Pardys further state that most who ride to a sea anchor bow-on
will not have any beneficial effect of the 'slip turbulance'.

Dashew is one who never is found in a hove-to position but advocates
running off whenever possible. (Is that running off ..... while
dragging a sea anchor - dont think so!)



In article , Bryan
Glover wrote:

Para anchor,sea anchors dont provide the protection in storms
advertised by the manufacturers. The leading yachting magazines
perpetuate the myth, because para anchor manufacturers are prolific
advertisers. Both parties show themselves as little better than bilge
raised haddock. Here is some examples of what research has concluded
about para anchors.

“Even with a large sea anchor the bow of a modern yacht will
tend to yaw
away from the wind when the towline goes slack as it will when the
boat passes through the trough of the wave. For these reasons the use
of a sea anchor deployed from the bow is not recommended”
U.S. Coast Guard Report No CG-D-20-87 sec 6-6
A series type drogue provides significant advantages over a cone or
parachute type drogue/sea anchor”
U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87

“ When we were doing our research for Surviving the storm, we
did not find a single positive experience in these conditions using
para anchors. And the unmistakable conclusion for us from this is that
in dangerously breaking seas, tactics other than a parachute anchor
have a higher chance of success – for most situations”.
Steve Dashew

“With a series drogue deployed, a well-designed and properly
constructed fibreglass boat should be capable of riding through a
Fastnet type storm with no structural damage. Model tests indicate
that the loads on the hull and rigging in a breaking wave strike
should not be excessive”
U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87 sec 6-4

“Para anchor users interviewed all find their parachute
anchors extremely difficult to retrieve in other than moderate wind
and sea.
A major factor regarding both personal comfort and one’s use
of parachute anchors in breaking seas is the boat’s tendency to
sail at anchor. As stated earlier, if your boat sails on the hook, the
odds are it will sail around even more fiercely while lying to a
parachute in the middle of the ocean. This oscillation creates extreme
loads, presents the bow at a wide and dangerous angle to the sea, and
is extremely uncomfortable.”
Steve Dashew

There is much more of the same on my web site www.seriesdrogue.com
I have the following questions:-
Do product description codes/laws cover para anchors
Is it legal to advertise para anchors as safe in open ocean storms.
Do yachting magazines do any research when writing articles, or are
they spoon fed by interest groups.

Regards
Bryan Glover

Michael wrote:

Actually . .. .waves break all across the oceans. Check your Force chart
photos. It's an offshore thing Jax.

M.

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
link.net...


JAXAshby wrote:
btw dood, you know -- of course -- the easiest way to to avoid breaking
waves
is to stay outside the hundred fathom line, don't you?


JAXtroll ......



Jax models bathing suits for Speedo and simply doesn't go offshore.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002