huh? "most straight"? are you on drugs, jeffies?
The channel to the inlet is three straight lines, well marked. If you
consider this a navigational challenge, you should retake that Power
Squadron course you dropped out of.

here is what the inlet looked like in October 99, last pic I found without
working at it.

http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...91006_comp.jpg

october 98

http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...mg=shin_981017
..jpg&inlet=Shinnecock&state=New+York&date=1998-10-17

may 97

http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...mg=shin_970422
_comp.jpg&inlet=Shinnecock&state=New+York&date=199 7-04-22

ten days earlier

http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...mg=shin_970410
_comp.jpg&inlet=Shinnecock&state=New+York&date=199 7-04-10

1996

http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...mg=shin_961024
_comp.jpg&inlet=Shinnecock&state=New+York&date=199 6-10-24

1989

http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...mg=shin_890322
_comp.jpg&inlet=Shinnecock&state=New+York&date=198 9-03-22

1980

http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...mg=shin_800324
_comp.jpg&inlet=Shinnecock&state=New+York&date=198 0-03-24

JAXAshby wrote:
I have seen it and many times. And I -- like the CG and C of Eng -- know what
a lock is and does.

So why does the Corps call it a lock? Why does the Coast Pilot call it
a lock? Why do the builders of it and the operators call it a lock?
Why can't you find a single reference to a site that says its not a lock?


you have never seen it and never will. you do not now know what a lock is and
never will.

Right Jaxie. I learned to sail on the Charles River and used the locks
there dozens, maybe hundreds, of times. I've gone through the Erie
Canal several times. The Troy Locks, the Dismal Swamp locks. Great
Bridge. In fact, there's only a few locks on the East Coast I haven't
been through.



I am still looking for any "lock" on the East River, required by the difference
in water height on one end as compared to the other end.


What's your point? There is a significant tide difference, but there is
no lock. Why is the impossible for you to understand?

JAXAshby wrote:
The "inside" ICW has long stretches where the "channel" is 5 feet or less.


The controling depth of the ICW channel is 12 feet. When any spot shallows to
less than 12 feet, the channel is dredged, assuming funds (that means money,
jeffies) are available.

You really don't know what you're talking about, do you Jaxie? First
of all, the "controlling depth" goes from 12 feet to 10 feet at Fort
Pierce, Florida. At Miami, it drops down to 7 feet. After Key Largo 5
feet is common. After Marathon the bayside channel sort of ends - its 2
to 3 feet much of the rest of the way to Key West and almost all boats
switch over to the outside channel there. (We won't even get into the
fact that much of the ICW hasn't been close to its "controlling depth"
in decades.) And of course the trip down the inside channel had no
meaning if you don't explore the numerous shallow bays and coves that
are off limits to boats the draw over 3 feet and inexperienced sailors
like you.


And we're talking about a total of 150 miles from Miami to Key West, not
a little channel a couple of miles long. Florida Bay is is about 100
times larger than Shinnecock Bay, and far more challenging.

jeffies, I now understand why you act so fumb duck on that bay. you have never
been there and are reading the charts from the internet. jeffies, the internet
charts don't show the channel you have to follow to get from the inlet to the
canal. the channel is NOT the channel marked to the west side. that channel is
for powerboats only. the dredged channel sailboats use to the right, starting
at the inlet, going even more right and hooking left a bit up toward land and
then more left, and then more left until near the marina and then straight to
the canal. the sailboat channel is shallow with shallow water to either side.
Any sailboat that wonders off may well be aground. that bay is NOT sailable.

too bad jeffies that you accept ancient hearsay data as reality. check the
satellite photos to see how much and how often the bay changes. "local
knowledge" is a term you might want to become familiar with, jeffies.

From: Jeff Morris
Date: 12/11/2004 11:48 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:
The inlet
may be subject to shoaling


no kidding? You read that somewhere? you certainly have never seen it and
never, so how did you guess that the inlet "may be subject to shoaling"?

btw, fumb duck, the entire bay -- including the channel -- IS "subject to
shoaling". Local sailboats of ordinary draft NEVER sail the bay, and most
usually travel the channel at dead slow speed, often coasting slowly while
staring at the depth sounder.

jeffies, you really should ask your wife to pull of some aerial photos of
that
bar tosee just how much it changes over even short periods of time.
What's your point jaxie? You're tilting at windmills here - I never
said I had any desire to go there, especially not in my boat. However,
I have been in numerous places far more challenging than that.

dog pile, read these words:

"The authorized depth of the ICW is 12ft but funding and budgetary cuts ..."

just as I said.

http://ccc.sailnet.com/newslt2.htm

or these words, dog pile

"The authorized project depth of the AIWW is 12 ft (at low tide) from Norfolk,
VA to Ft. Pierce, FL and 10 feet from Ft. Pierce to Miami. ..."

http://www.atlintracoastal.org/WW_Facts.htm

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:09:26 -0500, Jeff Morris
wrote:

... here's a picture of the lock in the Shinnecock Canal:

http://www.sv-loki.com/shinnecock.jpg

.....

Looks like the right channel is the lock with upper and lower lock
gates. The two channels on the left look like tide gates to me.

On an inland canal like the Grand Union for example,
the tide gates are replaced by a weir/barrier to hold a constant
upstream height. Here's a flight of locks I walked up, last week,
near Kenilworth which illustrates these features:

=phRIQMCBh9i7Nllq

Brian W

What's your point? Are you trying to prove you know something about the
water? Nobody is buying it!



JAXAshby wrote:
huh? "most straight"? are you on drugs, jeffies?

The channel to the inlet is three straight lines, well marked. If you
consider this a navigational challenge, you should retake that Power
Squadron course you dropped out of.


here is what the inlet looked like in October 99, last pic I found without
working at it.

http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...91006_comp.jpg

october 98

http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...mg=shin_981017
.jpg&inlet=Shinnecock&state=New+York&date=1998-10-17

may 97

http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...mg=shin_970422
_comp.jpg&inlet=Shinnecock&state=New+York&date=199 7-04-22

ten days earlier

http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...mg=shin_970410
_comp.jpg&inlet=Shinnecock&state=New+York&date=199 7-04-10

1996

http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...mg=shin_961024
_comp.jpg&inlet=Shinnecock&state=New+York&date=199 6-10-24

1989

http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...mg=shin_890322
_comp.jpg&inlet=Shinnecock&state=New+York&date=198 9-03-22

1980

http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...mg=shin_800324
_comp.jpg&inlet=Shinnecock&state=New+York&date=198 0-03-24

Jaxie, do you know where Florida Bay is? Obviously not! I even stated
the depth all the way to Key West. You're just repeating what I said,
but ignoring the important part - that Florida Bay is just as shallow as
your little puddle and 100 times larger.

Doesn't it ever embarrass you to show such stupidity?


JAXAshby wrote:
dog pile, read these words:

"The authorized depth of the ICW is 12ft but funding and budgetary cuts ..."

just as I said.

http://ccc.sailnet.com/newslt2.htm

or these words, dog pile

"The authorized project depth of the AIWW is 12 ft (at low tide) from Norfolk,
VA to Ft. Pierce, FL and 10 feet from Ft. Pierce to Miami. ..."

http://www.atlintracoastal.org/WW_Facts.htm

JAXAshby wrote:
dog pile, rational discussion is impossible with you.


For you, rational discussion is impossible with everybody!

having two gates does not make it a lock. Using to raise or lower boats makes
it a lock.

geesh. call it peanut butter and that makes it a sandwich?

... here's a picture of the lock in the Shinnecock Canal: