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beaufortnc February 1st 05 08:18 PM

List of WiFi spots on the ICW
 
Anyone know of, or have the resources to start, a list of spots on the
ICW where a public WiFi system is available while at anchor?
Would be pretty helpful to all,

Mike.


dave chapelle February 1st 05 09:46 PM

I know there is one at the C&D canal entrance.

"beaufortnc" wrote in message
ups.com...
Anyone know of, or have the resources to start, a list of spots on the
ICW where a public WiFi system is available while at anchor?
Would be pretty helpful to all,

Mike.




Doug Dotson February 2nd 05 01:03 AM

I heard this weekend on Kim Komando that she has a list of
56,000 WiFi hotspots. Suggest you check out her website at
www.komando.com

Doug
s/v Callista

"beaufortnc" wrote in message
ups.com...
Anyone know of, or have the resources to start, a list of spots on the
ICW where a public WiFi system is available while at anchor?
Would be pretty helpful to all,

Mike.




Larry W4CSC February 2nd 05 01:34 AM

"beaufortnc" wrote in
ups.com:

Anyone know of, or have the resources to start, a list of spots on the
ICW where a public WiFi system is available while at anchor?
Would be pretty helpful to all,

Mike.



AS of this week.....You can use the WiFi network at Charleston's Ashley
Marina for free from any computer in range. Charleston City Marina has a
WiFi network, but you have to stop by the office and PAY for a
username/password so you can PAY for internet service beyond your dock
fees.

I doubt Ashley Marina's network will survive the condoization process. Our
boating friends decided $125,000 + $200/mo "regime fee" + whatever else
they want to assess you for when they run out of money to blow...was a bit
much and have already moved, or are in the process of moving.

http://www.theharborageatashleymarina.com/

Imagine the law suit these webpages will generate if the deal doesn't close
to the original owner, whos business is now ruined by the announcement.

I don't think I know any other Charleston marina that provides WiFi
service. Both these marinas are in the Ashley River where the ICW turns
South out of the harbor, to starboard headed South





Larry W4CSC February 2nd 05 01:39 AM

"beaufortnc" wrote in
ups.com:

Anyone know of, or have the resources to start, a list of spots on the
ICW where a public WiFi system is available while at anchor?
Would be pretty helpful to all,

Mike.


Oh, almost forgot. If you come up the Ashley River at Charleston to
Riverbend and anchor out near my house, you can use W4CSC on cable
broadband for free like the boys at the air force base do. My wifi router
is 50' up a tree under an inverted bucket to keep it out of the rain.
Works about 1/2 mile. Further if you use a Pringle's Can microwave
antenna:
http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html

Many boaters should build these little coffee can or Pringle's can antennas
if their WiFi box has an antenna connector. Being a directional beam, you
can extend the range a long way at the dock.



prodigal1 February 2nd 05 03:19 AM

Doug Dotson wrote:
I heard this weekend on Kim Komando that she has a list of
56,000 WiFi hotspots. Suggest you check out her website at
www.komando.com


that site sucks
she's a cute little wintroll
but the site sucks
and so does her shtick

Doug Dotson February 2nd 05 04:18 AM

So, what did you think of the WiFi list?

"prodigal1" wrote in message
...
Doug Dotson wrote:
I heard this weekend on Kim Komando that she has a list of
56,000 WiFi hotspots. Suggest you check out her website at
www.komando.com


that site sucks
she's a cute little wintroll
but the site sucks
and so does her shtick




Wayne.B February 2nd 05 04:49 AM

On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:03:43 -0500, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

I heard this weekend on Kim Komando that she has a list of
56,000 WiFi hotspots. Suggest you check out her website at
www.komando.com


=======================

The list is actually at:

http://www.wi-fihotspotlist.com/


Jere Lull February 2nd 05 06:41 AM

In article ,
Larry W4CSC wrote:

I doubt Ashley Marina's network will survive the condoization process. Our
boating friends decided $125,000 + $200/mo "regime fee" + whatever else
they want to assess you for when they run out of money to blow...was a bit
much and have already moved, or are in the process of moving.

http://www.theharborageatashleymarina.com/


I did a quick calculation of return on investment, assuming slip rental
prices similar to up here. ROI sucks. Even without the condo fees, it's
down in the 4% range. It's not an investment, it's a write-off, but it
looks like those incredibly expensive lockers are selling. (bottom
belongs to the state.)

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

muskrat February 2nd 05 05:52 PM

Doubting anyone will set up a WiFi node on Harkers Island anytime soon,
I just use my cell phone as a modem. Slow, but it's always there. See
you at Cape Lookout this summer?


Rodney Myrvaagnes February 2nd 05 06:55 PM

On 2 Feb 2005 09:52:44 -0800, "muskrat" wrote:

Doubting anyone will set up a WiFi node on Harkers Island anytime soon,
I just use my cell phone as a modem. Slow, but it's always there. See
you at Cape Lookout this summer?

How do you do that? Acoustic coupler? If not, does your phone have a
data jack?

What cel company? What phone?



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a

"Religious wisdom is to wisdom as military music is to music."

Doug Dotson February 2nd 05 08:52 PM

I used my cellphone to connect to the internet and it was very fast.
It uses a digital wireless connection rather than a modem at the
cell site like one of my older phones did. I was very happy with
the result. Plus the connect time was not taken out of your minutes.
Flat rate of $9.95/mo.

Doug
s/v Callista

"muskrat" wrote in message
oups.com...
Doubting anyone will set up a WiFi node on Harkers Island anytime soon,
I just use my cell phone as a modem. Slow, but it's always there. See
you at Cape Lookout this summer?




Doug Dotson February 2nd 05 09:33 PM

On my phone the data cable plugs into the same jack as the battery
charger. Plugs into a USB port on the computer. Always indicates
the connect at 115K baud. Phone is a SANYO SCP-5300 using
Sprint.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rodney Myrvaagnes" wrote in message
...
On 2 Feb 2005 09:52:44 -0800, "muskrat" wrote:

Doubting anyone will set up a WiFi node on Harkers Island anytime soon,
I just use my cell phone as a modem. Slow, but it's always there. See
you at Cape Lookout this summer?

How do you do that? Acoustic coupler? If not, does your phone have a
data jack?

What cel company? What phone?



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a

"Religious wisdom is to wisdom as military music is to music."




beaufortnc February 3rd 05 02:30 AM

Will definitely be at the Cape - but without net access I'm sure
oh well, guess i'll have to find something else to do (sarcasm)


beaufortnc February 3rd 05 03:13 AM

Will definitely be at the Cape - but without net access I'm sure
oh well, guess i'll have to find something else to do (sarcasm)


Rodney Myrvaagnes February 3rd 05 05:38 AM

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:52:35 -0500, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

I used my cellphone to connect to the internet and it was very fast.
It uses a digital wireless connection rather than a modem at the
cell site like one of my older phones did. I was very happy with
the result. Plus the connect time was not taken out of your minutes.
Flat rate of $9.95/mo.

What cell phone, what phone company?



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Wanting to meet a writer because you like his work is like wanting to meet a duck because you like pate."
Margaret Atwood

Rodney Myrvaagnes February 3rd 05 05:38 AM

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:33:46 -0500, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

On my phone the data cable plugs into the same jack as the battery
charger. Plugs into a USB port on the computer. Always indicates
the connect at 115K baud. Phone is a SANYO SCP-5300 using
Sprint.

Thanks



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Wanting to meet a writer because you like his work is like wanting to meet a duck because you like pate."
Margaret Atwood

muskrat February 3rd 05 03:32 PM

I'm using a Nokia 4585i phone via Alltel, and am envious of others who
have found faster alternatives. But I'm stuck with what I've got, for
now, and the cable connects from the USB port to a special port built
into the phone.

As for Cape Lookout this summer, I'll be spending at least a couple of
weeks out there, and anyone is welcomed to use my computer as well as
borrow electricity from the gen-set. Just bring plenty of beer and ice.


Rosalie B. February 3rd 05 05:28 PM

Larry W4CSC wrote:

"beaufortnc" wrote in
oups.com:

Anyone know of, or have the resources to start, a list of spots on the
ICW where a public WiFi system is available while at anchor?
Would be pretty helpful to all,


AS of this week.....You can use the WiFi network at Charleston's Ashley
Marina for free from any computer in range. Charleston City Marina has a
WiFi network, but you have to stop by the office and PAY for a
username/password so you can PAY for internet service beyond your dock
fees.

I doubt Ashley Marina's network will survive the condoization process. Our
boating friends decided $125,000 + $200/mo "regime fee" + whatever else
they want to assess you for when they run out of money to blow...was a bit
much and have already moved, or are in the process of moving.

http://www.theharborageatashleymarina.com/

Imagine the law suit these webpages will generate if the deal doesn't close
to the original owner, whos business is now ruined by the announcement.

I don't think I know any other Charleston marina that provides WiFi
service. Both these marinas are in the Ashley River where the ICW turns
South out of the harbor, to starboard headed South

Charleston Harbor Marina (on the Cooper River in Patriot's Point/Mt.
Pleasant) has a free wifi network that I can get in my boat in the
marina. Don't know about anchoring though.

I know a bunch of other marinas that have wifi, but you usually can
only get it near the marina office. Sometimes out on a boat in the
marina, but probably not at anchor.

Deltaville Marina in Jackson Creek and Doziers on Broad Creek (also
Deltaville)

Coinjock has a wireless network, but I could not access it.

Belhaven Waterway marina has free wireless, but it doesn't go any
farther out than on the deck.

Oriental Marina has free wireless but only on the deck and in the
office

Southport Marina also has wireless through the Fish Tales restaurant
that you pay for.

St. Augustine - there's a wireless network but you have to pay for it
in Oyster Creek. You can still log on via landline for free if you
are staying in the marina.

The same is true for Vero Beach.

Miamarina has no connection but Starbucks in the mall has a free
wireless connection.
grandma Rosalie

Bruce in Alaska February 3rd 05 08:13 PM

In article ,
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

On my phone the data cable plugs into the same jack as the battery
charger. Plugs into a USB port on the computer. Always indicates
the connect at 115K baud. Phone is a SANYO SCP-5300 using
Sprint.

Doug
s/v Callista


One note of caution here folks.......Just remeber that SOME folks
don't know the difference between Cellular Phones, and PCS Phones,
and the difference in distance from the Cellsites between the two
ARE significant. Also the differences between the two for DATA Services
are ALSO Extremely significant.


Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @

Larry W4CSC February 3rd 05 08:33 PM

Rosalie B. wrote in
:

Charleston Harbor Marina (on the Cooper River in Patriot's Point/Mt.
Pleasant) has a free wifi network that I can get in my boat in the
marina. Don't know about anchoring though.


Over on alt.binaries.pictures.erotica there is a series of pictures of a
very-nice-looking woman about 35-40, nude, taken at Charleston Harbor
Marina in darkness with flash, I'd guess. Some of the pictures were taken
at the sailfish fountain when there was a Scout Boats exhibit behind that
fountain, so I suspect it happened during the boat show....??? Another
picture, the one that got my curiosity up and pointed to CHM was one taken
at the head of the floating dock ramp. To the right of the ramp is the
sign for Palmetto Charters, a dead giveaway of where it was. There's
another nudie pix taken on a concrete floating dock next to a sailboat with
three distinctive fenders....one blue tubular one, one bright red ball-type
and one dull red ball type, which should put you to the right boat if it
hasn't moved on down the ICW. The boat looks like a 30-40' cruiser of come
kind.

I've sent the now-former Ashley Marina party boys I know the pictures but
noone seems to know her....(c;

I always thought Charleston Harbor Marina was less of a party dock, but my
views, obviously, were incorrect....hee hee.

Nicely shaved and shaped, she should be very popular over there!

Think I should forward them to the marina office?....(c; They could use
them for promos if they get permission from www.voyeurweb.com, whos
overlaid webpage address is in the middle of every one.




Doug Dotson February 3rd 05 09:55 PM

Are you referring to analog cellular vs digital cellular?

"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

On my phone the data cable plugs into the same jack as the battery
charger. Plugs into a USB port on the computer. Always indicates
the connect at 115K baud. Phone is a SANYO SCP-5300 using
Sprint.

Doug
s/v Callista


One note of caution here folks.......Just remeber that SOME folks
don't know the difference between Cellular Phones, and PCS Phones,
and the difference in distance from the Cellsites between the two
ARE significant. Also the differences between the two for DATA Services
are ALSO Extremely significant.


Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @




Larry W4CSC February 4th 05 02:50 AM

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in
:

Are you referring to analog cellular vs digital cellular?


I suspect he was refering to the difference between the 800 Mhz cellular
system, the original, with the 1900 Mhz PCS second system. 1900 Mhz phones
only run 150-200mw, now, and have a range on that line-of-sight frequency
of only 1-2 miles under the best conditions. They are useless just beyond
the beach.

The old 800 Mhz system is also becoming more useless. To increase call
volume per square mile, 800 Mhz cellular companies invented digital phones
where up to 24 phones could "share" one frequency, in one time division
scheme or another. The phone's transmitters started out at 3 watts on FM
Radio, the old AMPS analog system. This works best on a boat as it has
RANGE, especially if you have an external antenna atop the mast. But, the
cellular companies added more and more tiny cells between the old 500'
towers and moved the 500' antennas down the towers to 100' to prevent the
tiny 200 mw phones from capturing too many cells, which reduces revenues
and call volume per square mile. So, now the big towers you could get with
a big antenna and 3 watts on AMPS 50 miles offshore, now only go about 5
miles, even with a 3 watt bagphone and a big antenna. The cell antennas
are pointed DOWN to cover a little area around them, not OUT for maximum
range like they used to be.

Way out in rural Alaska, I presume, cell antennas are still at very high
altitudes for maximum range. In CONUS, this is no longer true.

1900 Mhz phones are all very short ranged by designed with lots of little
cells on "stick" towers only on buildings or small poles. Range has never
been a bright point, which is why they don't work in the country away from
the interstates that have towers every 3-4 miles.



Bruce in Alaska February 4th 05 07:42 PM

In article ,
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

Are you referring to analog cellular vs digital cellular?

"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

On my phone the data cable plugs into the same jack as the battery
charger. Plugs into a USB port on the computer. Always indicates
the connect at 115K baud. Phone is a SANYO SCP-5300 using
Sprint.

Doug
s/v Callista


One note of caution here folks.......Just remeber that SOME folks
don't know the difference between Cellular Phones, and PCS Phones,
and the difference in distance from the Cellsites between the two
ARE significant. Also the differences between the two for DATA Services
are ALSO Extremely significant.


Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @




Well actually there are three different things that all are commonly
called Cellular.

1. Analog 800Mhz Cellular
2. Digital 800Mhz Cellular
3. PCS 1800 Mhz Cellular

Where most folks get confused is between 2 & 3. All those fancy
CameraPhones are usually PCS Systems, as they need the bandwidth
to do all that fancy stuff. Analog Cellular is really on its way
out as it takes up to much bandwidth, but is still around as a
Legacy Mode, and must be supported for a while yet. PCS requires
MANY more cellsites to cover the same are, as its range is significantly
less, due to the frequency and portable antenna system requirements.
We, up here in alaska, will not get PCS added to our cellsites
untill later this summer, and the practical considerations will not
be condusive to it actually working very well, as our cells are
VERY LARGE (40 Miles diameter) compared to normal City Type Cells.
In anticipation of PCS coming online, I just bought a really nice
Celwave PCS Panel Base Antenna that will be going up on my tower.
I alsoi am doing the research on an Bidirectional Amplifier to
boost my PCS signal up to the allowed 3 Watts. It is going to
take that much, as the cellsite is 16 miles away, over water.


Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @

Bruce in Alaska February 4th 05 07:44 PM

In article ,
Larry W4CSC wrote:

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in
:

Are you referring to analog cellular vs digital cellular?


I suspect he was refering to the difference between the 800 Mhz cellular
system, the original, with the 1900 Mhz PCS second system. 1900 Mhz phones
only run 150-200mw, now, and have a range on that line-of-sight frequency
of only 1-2 miles under the best conditions. They are useless just beyond
the beach.

The old 800 Mhz system is also becoming more useless. To increase call
volume per square mile, 800 Mhz cellular companies invented digital phones
where up to 24 phones could "share" one frequency, in one time division
scheme or another. The phone's transmitters started out at 3 watts on FM
Radio, the old AMPS analog system. This works best on a boat as it has
RANGE, especially if you have an external antenna atop the mast. But, the
cellular companies added more and more tiny cells between the old 500'
towers and moved the 500' antennas down the towers to 100' to prevent the
tiny 200 mw phones from capturing too many cells, which reduces revenues
and call volume per square mile. So, now the big towers you could get with
a big antenna and 3 watts on AMPS 50 miles offshore, now only go about 5
miles, even with a 3 watt bagphone and a big antenna. The cell antennas
are pointed DOWN to cover a little area around them, not OUT for maximum
range like they used to be.

Way out in rural Alaska, I presume, cell antennas are still at very high
altitudes for maximum range. In CONUS, this is no longer true.

1900 Mhz phones are all very short ranged by designed with lots of little
cells on "stick" towers only on buildings or small poles. Range has never
been a bright point, which is why they don't work in the country away from
the interstates that have towers every 3-4 miles.



Exactly


Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @

Doug Dotson February 4th 05 11:23 PM

Don;t feel bad. PCS doesn;t work all that well here in the
big city either.

Doug

"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

Are you referring to analog cellular vs digital cellular?

"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

On my phone the data cable plugs into the same jack as the battery
charger. Plugs into a USB port on the computer. Always indicates
the connect at 115K baud. Phone is a SANYO SCP-5300 using
Sprint.

Doug
s/v Callista

One note of caution here folks.......Just remeber that SOME folks
don't know the difference between Cellular Phones, and PCS Phones,
and the difference in distance from the Cellsites between the two
ARE significant. Also the differences between the two for DATA
Services
are ALSO Extremely significant.


Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @




Well actually there are three different things that all are commonly
called Cellular.

1. Analog 800Mhz Cellular
2. Digital 800Mhz Cellular
3. PCS 1800 Mhz Cellular

Where most folks get confused is between 2 & 3. All those fancy
CameraPhones are usually PCS Systems, as they need the bandwidth
to do all that fancy stuff. Analog Cellular is really on its way
out as it takes up to much bandwidth, but is still around as a
Legacy Mode, and must be supported for a while yet. PCS requires
MANY more cellsites to cover the same are, as its range is significantly
less, due to the frequency and portable antenna system requirements.
We, up here in alaska, will not get PCS added to our cellsites
untill later this summer, and the practical considerations will not
be condusive to it actually working very well, as our cells are
VERY LARGE (40 Miles diameter) compared to normal City Type Cells.
In anticipation of PCS coming online, I just bought a really nice
Celwave PCS Panel Base Antenna that will be going up on my tower.
I alsoi am doing the research on an Bidirectional Amplifier to
boost my PCS signal up to the allowed 3 Watts. It is going to
take that much, as the cellsite is 16 miles away, over water.


Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @




Larry W4CSC February 7th 05 11:43 AM

Bruce in Alaska wrote in news:bruceg-
:

I just bought a really nice
Celwave PCS Panel Base Antenna that will be going up on my tower.
I alsoi am doing the research on an Bidirectional Amplifier to
boost my PCS signal up to the allowed 3 Watts. It is going to
take that much, as the cellsite is 16 miles away, over water.


Bruce in alaska


The 1900 Mhz PCS power limit is 2W, but that's matters not. PCS tower
antennas are all pointed DOWN to reduce that cell hearing anything over 2
miles away. Look at the panels on the little PCS towers and note the
downward tilt on them. Even at 2W, 1900 Mhz isn't going to make it over a
couple of miles with any reliability. They're counting on that to reduce
the number of cells any one phone occupies to increase revenue-per-square-
mile, the only thing the companies are interested in.

The 3W AMPS (analog) bagphone with a nice 800 Mhz trunk beam antenna works
best. My DB Products 11-element end-mounted little beam gives me about 24
watts ERP, which probably isn't legal, either. (If Rick is watching, he'll
let us know as he's the real expert, here.) I can be way out in the
country and have perfect calls to towers far away, even through the trees.
It doesn't work near as good as my IMTS "Carphone" running 50W on 152Mhz
used to do, but it's more acceptable than a toyphone puts out.
Unfortunately, one of my competitors, also a ham radio operator, was caught
red-handed (the idiot left a message on a customer's answering machine
tape) listening to my business conversations. So, I had to go back to CDMA
to prevent his snooping into my business, trying to ruin it.

There's a lot of really cheap IMTS phones and equipment still laying in
warehouses noone wants. If the commercial boaters in an area had enough
interest and pooled resources, I don't see why they couldn't get one up and
running on a mountaintop somewhere. That thing would normally go out 50-
100 miles, further when temperature inversions happen. After the initial
outlay, the group would have one or just a few landlines to pay for plus a
little maintenance.




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