Over in the binary group alt.binaries.pictures.sports.ocean I have posted
the pictures of my visit to Sailnet's main headquarters in N Charleston
TWICE this morning, just to make sure. Their hours were 0830-1700 ET so I
went there at 9AM. While I was in the parking lot, another sailor drove in
and said he couldn't get them on the local phone, get emails answered or
FAX them, either. He came to see what I saw.

At 9AM, as you can see in the pictures, the building was locked, a sign
said CLOSED stuck to the front door, the building was dark save for one
night light in the lobby, but, curiously, right inside the front door was a
running copy machine, which may also be the FAX machine. Its LCD display
was lit up. There's still power to the building.

Well, after going nowhere at 9AM, I walked across the parking lot to
Hospice of Charleston in the next building over and talked to the nice
ladies who were watering their sidewalk garden. I asked them if they'd
seen anyone at Sailnet, recently. One lady said she hadn't seen anyone in
the parking lot for "some time", as she put it. I walked around to the
County Clerk of Court's office in the back of the building and talked to
the ladies through the prison bars that protect them from angry voters.
They hadn't really noticed any activity, but weren't looking much.
Government employees, they run in a vacuum it seems. I wondered as I left
if they would have even notice the building burning they were in.

I went off to shop my local favorite thrift shop (found a brand new
fishtape, first class quality for $5). As it was after 10AM, I wandered
back to Sailnet to see if anyone had shown up. They had! There was a
nice, grey Mercedes C-230 sports car (see photo) parked in the closest slot
to the building, so I got out of my car, again, and went up to peer into
the darkened building. I knocked and knocked on the front door...no
answer. I walked around to the side of the building where their other
business, something called Oroton-something, and found the keyless entry
door also locked and no response to my knocking. I kept an eye on the
front of the building while I sat in the car, but finally gave up as
whoever was inside never appeared at any of the windows I could see. Maybe
he was contemplating Peggie Hall's latest suggestions while sitting on a
Porta-Pottie in the employee lounge. Maybe he was hiding, afraid I'd punch
out his lights for not delivering my stuff...(c;

Note to Scott - No rigging and no answers to many poundings. Sorry I can't
get to your rigging. If you need to have it picked up and can get the
building opened, I'd be glad to take it away for you to have it picked up
at my place.

I'm not saying Sailnet is history. Maybe they're relocating to palacial
new facilities in some posh industrial area, with 4 times the floor space.
But, from what you and I can see today.....it looks like they are DOT
BOMB...

If you're waiting for delivery on your credit card orders, better call your
card company and warn them. If you look at the Mercedes in the picture,
you'll see I handily photographed the LICENSE NUMBER, a SC tag that can be
traced to a person. Two places come to mind who might be interested in
your fraud case:

Charleston County Sheriff's Office - 843-554-4700
North Charleston City Hall/Cops - 843-554-5700

Ask them what they know and let them know you got no response.

If any of you are already members of Sailnet's webpage forums, you might
want to copy and paste this message and the pictures to their forum pages.
From reading a few of the posts, most people there don't even know usenet
exists, much less these newsgroups.

--
Larry

In the US, operating a business while insolvent is not a crime, and
is not in and of itself fraud.

Good thing. Otherwise the airlines and all sorts of other industries
we depend on would be dead.

It appears it isn't a crime to steal either, as long as you get over
some threshold of around a billion dollars.

--

Roger Long

Larry wrote:

I'm not saying Sailnet is history. Maybe they're relocating to palacial
new facilities in some posh industrial area, with 4 times the floor space.
But, from what you and I can see today.....it looks like they are DOT
BOMB...


Front page of their website states:

Excuse us while we make some changes.
Checkout is temporarily disabled.
Feel free to browse the site.



Looks mighty suspicious.

Stella

Dave wrote in
:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:34:05 GMT, "Roger Long"
said:

It appears it isn't a crime to steal either, as long as you get over
some threshold of a

Care to elaborate? Last time I looked it was.


My Yamaha Waverunner dealer never paid back Household Retail Services (the
bogus Yamaha Credit Card)the $8,500 they owed Household when I returned my
defective GP1200 jetski, as per 15USC50 2304(a)(4). I chose to refund
rather than replace, as the "consumer".

Stealing $8,500 seems over the line and OK....

--
Larry

Dave wrote in
:

Did they go bankrupt? Did you file a proof of claim in the bankruptcy?
Creditors nearly always lose some money in a bankruptcy, but that's not
"stealing." It's how bankruptcy works.



Nope. They're still the sleazy *******s they were when we parted company.
I told the Bombadier SeaDoo guy I met at the local boatshow if his dealer
wasn't such a sleazeball I'd probably be cruising around in their new Sport
Jet powered Islandia party boat, but, alas, his company insists on selling
their product through such a ****ty dealer.....their choice, you know.

As to Yamaha Motors, their parting shot from Laurie Combellick, so-called
Customer Service Supervisor, "Larry, there is NO WAY we're EVER going to
take back that boat!" That was our last conversation before turning it
over to the lawyers. She was wrong....(c; Yamaha thinks they're immune
from Federal law. They're not.

They all just buried it. As I had not a dime in it, I could care less. I
heard threats for a while from Household, but we never could get them to
sue us. Pity. My attorney wanted that beach front house on the Isle of
Palms and I was test driving the new Mercedes 300E they were going to buy
me. They were just too smart for us, I suppose.

I won't be buying a Yamaha anything, either.... That one defective motor
has cost them over 160 unsold boats to date! All I wanted, at first, was a
replacement motor that didn't fall apart, the scratched front storage hood
it came with and the footpads that bubbled up because some Bubba didn't let
the glue dry properly, and the upgraded engine and gas tank mounts they put
in after the hulls all cracked from the engine/gas weight in the first 5000
defective boats they built. Was I asking too much on a 4-year, $800
extended Y.E.S. Yamaha warranty scam?

--
Larry
Did you know to invoke the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Protection Act you have
to be within 2.5 miles of your selling dealer?.....I was.

I recently placed an order for a few items on clearance at Sailnet.com
online (that should have given me the first clue, all I saw was great
prices), and actually received part of my order. However the item I
wanted most, an ACR Rapid Ditch Bag for $65 (retail $135 at West
Marine), did not come with the order. I received it on Saturday, July
16. Since Monday I've tried to reach them - their customer service line
says to leave a message but the voice mail box is FULL, their sales
line says DON'T leave a message, send email, but multiple emails to
and have not yielded
any results. Anyone know who owns the company now? Any other phone
numbers I can call? I've already had my credit card company put the
amount in dispute and they've credited me back.

wrote in
oups.com:

I recently placed an order for a few items on clearance at Sailnet.com
online (that should have given me the first clue, all I saw was great
prices), and actually received part of my order. However the item I
wanted most, an ACR Rapid Ditch Bag for $65 (retail $135 at West
Marine), did not come with the order. I received it on Saturday, July
16. Since Monday I've tried to reach them - their customer service line
says to leave a message but the voice mail box is FULL, their sales
line says DON'T leave a message, send email, but multiple emails to
and have not yielded
any results. Anyone know who owns the company now? Any other phone
numbers I can call? I've already had my credit card company put the
amount in dispute and they've credited me back.




If what I saw Tuesday was any indication, the "staff" may be just one guy
trying to dump all those orders into boxes, the guy with the Mercedes. If
that's so, he has noone to answer the phones and may be just printing the
orders from email and heading out into the warehouse to see what he can
salvage from the shelving. When he doesn't find it, he deletes it from the
online catalog inventory, which may be why there's so many missing
catagories so suddenly.

I wouldn't trust them with my credit card info....not now....


--
Larry

Larry wrote in :

Over

In the local Business Section of the Charleston News & Courier daily
newspaper, here, there is a front page article discussing what happened to
Sailnet and a story about its demise....

Dot Bomb, indeed.

http://www.charleston.net/stories/?n...ction=business
but they think they're the damned NY Times down there and want your logon
info so they can hand you over to the spammers...Caveat Emptor, indeed.

--
Larry

Would you (or someone) please give us a quick summary of what they
said?

--

Roger Long



"Larry" wrote in message
...
Larry wrote in
:

Over

In the local Business Section of the Charleston News & Courier daily
newspaper, here, there is a front page article discussing what
happened to
Sailnet and a story about its demise....

Dot Bomb, indeed.

http://www.charleston.net/stories/?n...ction=business
but they think they're the damned NY Times down there and want your
logon
info so they can hand you over to the spammers...Caveat Emptor,
indeed.

--
Larry

"Roger Long" wrote in
:

Would you (or someone) please give us a quick summary of what they
said?



Basically, they expanded too fast for conditions. Too much spending and
overextended themselves, like most dot.com companies did during the boom
times. The red ink got to the investors in California and it was decided
to cease operations to lick their wounds and get out, instead of pouring
more money down a losing hole. After the initial blast of orders, times
got tougher and orders dried up, putting all this spending way in the red.

Sound familiar?

--
Larry