good point Doug King...hey....wasn't it Bruce King that did a lot of
the Ercison hull designs?...I worked @ the plant for a few years in
the mid 80's...Fun place...great product...

Anyway, hes isn't your daddy or somethin' is he? Bruce King did some
very
nice boats...I'll bet a "google" on him would reveal some interesting
stuff...

i bid up to $5k on the ebay ericson 38 (would love to skipper a e38!!)
but
wasn't sure i could go much $5k w/all the other potential expenses...

i am a tax accountant..landlocked (i have 20 yrs of sailing background)
right
now in northern colorado...I would be interested in investing and
running a
corp owned ericson 38 ... of course it could be a "shell s corp" for
boat
usage of, say, no more than 3 owners ... anyway.. I can do all the
admin,
bookeeping, tax returns, "hosting" and maintaining a reservation system
(like
we do now for a cessna) for the corp owners... it could be a nice
lettle shell
w/a lot of possibilities..


well stated

"The trick is to learn from the mistakes of others. You'll never live
long enough to make them all yourself "



"

~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
good point Doug King...hey....wasn't it Bruce King that did a lot of
the Ercison hull designs?...

Yes, pretty much all of them AFAIK. No relation, though.

The Ericsons were pretty good boats. Most of them were quite well built,
far better IMHO than most production boats. Sail well, too. I didn't
realize this until a few years ago, when serious boat shopping gave me
the "opportunity" to do some dedicated bilge-crawling in a lot of boats
including a couple Ericsons.

....Bruce King did some
very
nice boats...I'll bet a "google" on him would reveal some interesting
stuff...

How 'bout this?
http://www.whitehawk.com/


i bid up to $5k on the ebay ericson 38 (would love to skipper a e38!!)
but
wasn't sure i could go much $5k w/all the other potential expenses...


Wise to keep it low. But if you're serious about undertaking that sort
of project, there are lots and lots of potential projects that never get
onto the internet. Take your weekends, maybe even a little vacation
time, and hunt thru the boat yards in teh hurricane zones. You may find
an Ericson 38 that offers serious hope, for the asking.

Considering your occupation, you find it an interesting exercise to whip
up a boat project spreadsheet, with various projected prices
populated... I've done spreadsheets for all my boat projects but not a
master file.


i am a tax accountant..landlocked (i have 20 yrs of sailing background)
right
now in northern colorado...I would be interested in investing and
running a
corp owned ericson 38 ... of course it could be a "shell s corp" for
boat
usage of, say, no more than 3 owners ... anyway.. I can do all the
admin,
bookeeping, tax returns, "hosting" and maintaining a reservation system
(like
we do now for a cessna) for the corp owners... it could be a nice
lettle shell
w/a lot of possibilities..


There may be a couple of takers out there in newsgroup-land. Y'all
listening?


well stated

"The trick is to learn from the mistakes of others. You'll never live
long enough to make them all yourself "

Thanks, but I didn't think of that myself.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

http://www.whitehawk.com/


damm...what a beauty..."cold moulded wood" what the
%$#@ is that?......

that is quite a boat/ship....not exactally what you might find on
ebay....

http://www.whitehawk.com/


One can always dream.

~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
damm...what a beauty...

She's gorgeous... inspired by (or blatantly copied from) L.F.
Herreshoff, no doubt the original owner had very good taste but wanted
something BIGGER!

...."cold moulded wood" what the
%$#@ is that?......


It's plywood, laminated in place over a mold so that it's literally made
in the shape of the hull & deck. Very strong stuff, it's claimed by
those familiar with it to be the longest lived & least problematic
boatbuilding material.

that is quite a boat/ship....not exactally what you might find on
ebay....


Oh you never know. I couldn't afford to keep a boat like that even if
offered it for free, in perfect condition. Well, I could afford it for a
little while, but my family might not like the result

BTW Bruce King also designed a classic work-boat style express cruiser
for Billy Joel a while back, this boat (IIRC it was 36') was fabulously
expensive of course but so widely admired that several other designers &
builders started copying her... most notably Hinckly, who has now
patented the name 'picnic yacht' to try & hog the market for their copies!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

inyeresting....
---------snip-----------------------------
BTW Bruce King also designed a classic
work-boat style express cruiser
for Billy Joel a while back, this
boat (IIRC it was 36') was fabulously expensive
of course but so widely admired that several
other designers & builders started copying
her... most notably Hinckly, who has now
patented the name 'picnic yacht' to try & hog
the market for their copies!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In article .com,
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:

damm...what a beauty..."cold moulded wood" what the
%$#@ is that?......

A blend of old and new: Epoxy gluing thin veneers together to form a
shape that can be quite organic. Done properly, it's stronger and
lighter than fiberglass, quite a bit more durable than wood.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

sounds great for a sailboat....


--------snip--------------------
"Done properly, it's stronger and
lighter than fiberglass, quite a bit
more durable than wood"

Red Cloud® wrote:
Doug should know. Unless he's a liar, he paid well over 7 figures for a used
Sundowner 36 trawler that needed work.


Are you regressing into your JAXAshby personality?

Produce a quote where I said (posted) any such thing. Put up or shut up.

DSK

In article .com,
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:

--------snip--------------------
"Done properly, it's stronger and lighter than fiberglass, quite a
bit more durable than wood"

sounds great for a sailboat....

OH, YEAH!

I first raced as crew on a cold-molded Jet-14. Though the boat was
older than I was, it was still in fantastic shape, showing a natural
grain and glow that cabinet makers like me only dream of. The "modern"
hulls made in fiberglass could never keep up with us.

Trouble is, it's VERY labor intensive. And an expert job is now
prohibative. (sp?)

Except for specialist applications, I'd take cold-molded over metal
every day. Fiberglass isn't even in the running.

Still, I doubt our next boat will be anything but FRP, for many other
reasons.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Produce a quote where I said (posted) any such thing. Put up or shut up.

DSK


Here you go, LIAR!


Wrong again.

If I were a math teacher, I'd point out that "7 figures" is not the same
as $7, and send you back a grade.



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"Poor man's trawler?" Jealousy ill becomes you.


Red Cloud© wrote:

Well a poor man's trawler becomes you to a "T". You are a very poor
man.



Well, let's see... my "poor man's trawler" cost more than ten of your
boat, probably more than your house, car, & boat put together...

DSK