http://www.48north.com/apr2001/liveaboard.htm

"The Reality
Any man involved with boats and a woman at the same time, is in deep
trouble. Think about it! The first reality is that any fellow involved
with boats, period, is in serious trouble. Whether you're just
looking, or already involved, your time, money, and patience are on a
one-way spiral to exhaustion, in direct proportion to the increasingly
demanding whims of your vessel. Now, substitute 'women' for 'vessel',
and perhaps you will appreciate the depth of your dilemma as you
consider how to share your finite resources with both. Neither one
shares well."

I've got a better idea. DON'T get her (or him) to liveaboard. Why
screw up a good relationship with too much togetherness? The boat is
your refuge, why give that up?

My wife and I arguing:

Me: "I am tired of this crap, I'm spending the night on my boat"
Her: "OUR boat"
Me: "Wrong, it's mine"
Her: "WE paid for it"
Me: "You know what they say about posession and the law. I do all the
work on her, you dont even know how to raise the sails, she's mine"
Her: "Well then, the house is mine"
Me: "Fine by me, you fix the roof"

you can **** a woman. you cant **** a boat.

Right to the point! Speaking of boats, There is a woman who "lives
aboard" a boat here in Sunny Southern California. You can "#%?!"(what
Bob said) for a beer. She is "#%?!" my Man when she needs her car
repaired, I guess he's the blond one here. If she can get him, she can
have him! I have better things to do, life is to short to waste on
fighting. Besides, He would never leave me
C'mon dboh, llighten up! Try putting your arms around her, kiss her
on the neck and say "Let's spend the night on the boat", Raise your
eyebrow with a smile. Now think of the BEST "@%?!" that you've never
had, and have it!
Sounds good to me! Happy sailing!!!
I want to go too!

You guys have it all wrong....

WHY BOATS ARE BETTER THAN WOMEN

Boats never choose to get their hair done instead of spending time
with you.

Boats never have a curfew.

Boats never break a date.

Boats never have a headache.

Boats are always in the mood.

Boats are appropriately greeted with a whistle.

Boats never care if you arrive with buddies and choose to spend
the evening playing cards.

Boats will always perform for you to the best of their abilities.
You just need to treat them with care and not interfere with what they
were designed to do.

Boats, like women, are best maneuvered with a light touch.
However, only a boat's response is predictable.

Boats will tolerate some neglect quite well. However, like some
women, boats will try to dump you if you are too heavy handed with
them or neglect their basic needs for too long.

Both boats and women like to show their superstructures to best
advantage. Boats, however, never complain that they have nothing
to wear.

Boats, like women, can demand that you spend substantial amounts
of money on their upkeep and maintenance. With boats, you are
always guaranteed a good ride afterwards.

Boats never need another pair of shoes.

Boats don't care if you choose to spend the night with another
woman.

Boats don't give you the cold shoulder after you have not called
or visited for a while.

Boats always leave it to you to decide if you want to go out in
foul weather.

Boats never complain that you don't talk to them.

You never have to bring a boat gifts of flowers, chocolates or
jewelry.

You don't need to romance your boat before she'll let you spend
the night.

Boats never get pregnant.

Boats never get PMS.

You cannot catch a sexually transmitted disease from spending time
with many different boats.

With a boat you never need to carry protection.

A boat never gets jealous.

You can always tell a boat about other boats that you have
sailed.

A boat never compares you to others who have sailed her.

A boat never fakes it.

A boat looks just as appealing the morning after.

Nobody is offended if you ask to borrow their boat for a romantic
evening or weekend.

One boat can simultaneously satisfy the needs of quite a few men
and women.

A fully rigged boat can call for several pairs of hands to keep
her satisfied and in proper trim, and nobody thinks poorly of her.

When you buy an electric device to help single-hand a boat, nobody
thinks less of you, and the boat is not embarrassed when you
demonstrate the actual use of the appliance.

Boats never flirt and never play hard to get.

Boats respond best if you first wash their painted bottoms.

Boats never ask if their stern is too wide or if their rigging is
sagging.

Boats never pout if you choose not to spend the night.

Boats don't make a scene if you choose to go with a younger model.

Well maintained, gracefully aging boats always have hordes of
younger and older men lusting after them.

Boats always gratify you with their performance when you custom
fit them with the newest fabrics.

Boats can always be rented to others by the day or by the hour.

In wide-open spaces, quality rope or lengths of chain are used to
anchor a boat. Imagine trying this with a woman.

Before a boat changes hands, the current owner encourages all
serious potential prospects to take her for a spin and try her out.

Boats respond well if you tie them up for the night.

Thru-hulls are critical to below deck operations. Only with a
boat are you encouraged to inspect each thru-hull BEFORE you take
her out.

(Mic) wrote in news:43110eb4.5503291
@news.sprint.ca:

http://www.48north.com/apr2001/liveaboard.htm

"The Reality
Any man involved with boats and a woman at the same time, is in deep
trouble. Think about it! The first reality is that any fellow involved
with boats, period, is in serious trouble. Whether you're just
looking, or already involved, your time, money, and patience are on a
one-way spiral to exhaustion, in direct proportion to the increasingly
demanding whims of your vessel. Now, substitute 'women' for 'vessel',
and perhaps you will appreciate the depth of your dilemma as you
consider how to share your finite resources with both. Neither one
shares well."


You just need the right woman.
I lived aboard with her for 5yrs in Seattle,
Sailed the pacific loop and had a blast.
I wouldnt have dont it w/o her.
Im very blessed.
BnJ

Its all about humping. I dont care what anyone sayz. LOL.

In article .com,
wrote:

I've got a better idea. DON'T get her (or him) to liveaboard. Why
screw up a good relationship with too much togetherness? The boat is
your refuge, why give that up?


Sorry, complete disagreement. Our boat is OUR pleasure dome. Life is
much better with her aboard, particularly in the mornings when the temps
suggest sharing body warmth.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Amen
"Jere Lull" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
wrote:

I've got a better idea. DON'T get her (or him) to liveaboard. Why
screw up a good relationship with too much togetherness? The boat is
your refuge, why give that up?


Sorry, complete disagreement. Our boat is OUR pleasure dome. Life is
much better with her aboard, particularly in the mornings when the temps
suggest sharing body warmth.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

(Mic) wrote in :

Any man involved with boats and a woman at the same time, is in deep
trouble.

Of course, before you shell out the big bucks and find out she hates it,
you COULD test her with my "Liveaboard Simulator"

The Liveaboard Simulator -.......(c;

Just for fun, park your cars in the lot of the convenience store
at least 2 blocks from your house. (Make believe the sidewalk is a
floating dock between your car and the house.

Move yourself and your family (If applicable) into 2 bedrooms and 1
bathroom. Measure the DECK space INSIDE your boat. Make sure the
occupied house has no more space, or closet space, or drawer space.
Bring a coleman stove into the bathroom and set it next to the
bathroom sink. Your boat's sink is smaller, but we'll let you use the
bathroom sink, anyways. Do all your cooking in the bathroom, WITHOUT
using the bathroom power vent. If you have a boat vent, it'll be a
useless 12v one that doesn't draw near the air your bathroom power
vent draws to take away cooking odors. Leave the hall door open to
simulate the open hatch. Take all the screens off your 2 bedroom's
windows. Leave the windows open to let in the bugs that will invade
your boat at dusk, and the flies attracted to the cooking.

Speaking of the garbage from the cooking, on a boat there's no room
for that big garbage can in your garage and the little sink, just
like the one in the bathroom, has no garbage disposal to get rid of
the stinky stuff cooking generates. If you dump it overboard you'll
soon find out how serious all those tree huggers up and down the dock
take keeping the water clean. They'll have the EPA down your throat
in a matter of hours. So, we need to use that little knee-high plastic
trashcan in the bathroom to store all our garbage on our simulated
yacht. As boats don't come with any kind of trashcan storage, be
sure to leave it against the doorframe of the bathroom where you can
trip over it all the time. Any trashcan in a boat is always where
you can trip over it and knock it over spilling its stinky mess onto
the "deck" to clean up. Put a plastic bag into it to dump the mess
into. We're not totally uncivilized in yachting, you know. When
you can't stand its smell any more, there are two things we'll do
with the full trashbags. If we are docked at a marina, we'll add
the trashbags to our daily trek to the 7-11 with the dock cart to
put it in their dumpster (marina dumpster). Drop by the nearest biker
bar and ask them for a big 32-gallon trashbag full of nearly-empty
beer and wine bottles. Put these in your big trashcan in the garage
and pull it out onto your front lawn by your sidewalk. This is to
simulate the "normal" state of any marina's fancy little dock trash
bins which are always full like this because of the constant partying
up and down the dock, especially on weekends. Dock hands have a very
hard time keeping up with emptying them. Because of this fact, you
will haul all your smelly trashbags up the "dock" to the 7-11's big
dumpster on your treks to the marina (7-11) parking lot...if we're
"in port". Only store the untoted trashbags in two places....next
to your little bed under the kitchen table...or next to your chair
in your "cockpit" out on the patio. If we are on a "cruise" or
anchored out, we store the smelly mess bags in the dingy trailed out
behind the stern, so hook up your little lawn trailer to the back
of the "helm" riding lawn mower someone is going to sit on "at sea"
out on the patio. We'll transfer all this garbage to the marina
(7-11) dumpster in the dock cart when we "return from sea" to any
port. For some reason, the first items off the dingy at the dingy
dock is always the garbage...(d^

Borrow a couple of 55 gallon drums mounted on a trailer. Flush your
toilets into the drums. Trailer the drums to the convenience store to
dump them when they get full. Turn off your sewer, you won't have
one.

Unless your boat is large enough to have a big "head" with full bath,
make believe your showers/bathtubs don't work. Make a deal with
someone next door to the convenience store to use THEIR bathroom for
bathing at the OTHER end of the DOCK. (Marina rest room) If you use
this rest room to potty, while you're there, make believe it has no
paper towels or toilet paper. Bring your own. Bring your own soap
and anything else you'd like to use there, too.

Run you whole house through a 20 amp breaker to simulate available
dock power at the marina. If you're thinking of anchoring out, turn
off the main breaker and "make do" with a boat battery and
flashlights. Don't forget you have to heat your house on this 20A
supply and try to keep the water from freezing.

Turn off the water main valve in front of your house. Run a hose from
your neighbor's lawn spigot over to your lawn spigot and get all your
water from there. Try to keep the hose from freezing all winter.

As your boat won't have a laundry, disconnect yours. Go to a boat
supply place, like West Marine, and buy you a dock cart. Haul ALL
your supplies, laundry, garbage, etc. between the car at the
convenience store and house in this cart. Once a week, haul your
outboard motor to the car, leave it a day then haul it back to the
house, in the cart, to simulate "boat problems" that require "boat
parts" to be removed/replaced on your "dock". If ANYTHING ever comes
out of that cart between the convenience store and the house, put it
in your garage and forget about it. (Simulates losing it over the
side of the dock, where it sank in 23' of water and was dragged off by
the current.)

Each morning, about 5AM, have someone you don't know run a weedeater
back and forth under your bedroom windows to simulate the fishermen
leaving the marina to go fishing. Have him slam trunk lids, doors,
blow car horns and bang some heavy pans together from 4AM to 5AM
before lighting off the weedeater. (Simulates loading aluminum boats
with booze and fishing gear and gas cans.) Once a week, have him bang
the running weedeater into your bedroom wall to simulate the idiot who
drove his boat into the one you're sleeping in because he was half
asleep leaving the dock. Put a rope over a big hook in the ceiling
over your bed. Hook one end of the rope to the bed siderail and the
other end out where he can pull on it. As soon as he shuts off the
weedeater, have him pull hard 9 times on the rope to tilt your bed at
least 30 degrees. (Simulates the wakes of the fishermen blasting off
trying to beat each other to the fishing.) Anytime there is a storm
in your area, have someone constantly pull on the rope. It's rough
riding storms in the marina! If your boat is a sailboat, install a
big wire from the top of the tallest tree to your electrical ground in
the house so you can worry about the lightning hitting your mast.
If your marina has big sport fishing boats with huge diesels, substitute
your neighbor's unmuffled Harley-Davidson hog for the weedeater and
have him light off an old oil stove for 20 minutes while its running
under your open bedroom window to simulate that "diesel smell" the
big boats generate as they idle them for half an hour, for no apparent
reason, before they shove off.

Each time you "go out", or think of going boating away from your marina,
disconnect the neighbor's water hose, your electric wires, all the
umbilicals your new boat will use to make life more bearable in the marina.
Use bottled drinking water for 2 days for everything. Get one of those 5
gallon jugs with the airpump on top from a bottled water company. This is
your boat's "at sea" water system simulator. You'll learn to conserve
water this way. Of course, not having the marina's AC power supply, you'll
be lighting and all from a car battery, your only source of power. If you
own or can borrow a generator, feel free to leave it running to provide AC
power up to the limit of the generator. If you're thinking about a 30'
sailboat, you won't have room for a generator so don't use it.

Boats don't have room for "beds", as such. Fold your Sealy Posturepedic up
against a wall, it won't fit on a boat. Go to a hobby fabric store and buy
a foam pad 5' 10" long and 4' wide AND NO MORE THAN 3" THICK. Cut it into
a triangle so the little end is only 12" wide. This simulates the foam pad
in the V-berth up in the pointy bow of the sailboat. Bring in the kitchen
table from the kitchen you're not allowed to use. Put the pad UNDER the
table, on the floor, so you can simulate the 3' of headroom over the pad.
Block off both long sides of the pad, and the pointy end so you have to
climb aboard the V-berth from the wide end where your pillows will be. The
hull blocks off the sides of a V-berth and you have to climb up over the
end of it through a narrow opening (hatch to main cabin) on a boat. You'll
climb over your mate's head to go to the potty in the night. No fun for
either party. Test her mettle and resolve by getting up this way right
after you go to bed at night. There are lots of things to do on a boat and
you'll forget at least one of them, thinking about it laying in bed, like
"Did I remember to tie off the dingy better?" or "Is that spring line (at
the dock) or anchor line (anchored out) as tight as it should be?" Boaters
who don't worry about things like this laying in bed are soon aground or on
fire or the laughing stock of an anchorage.... You need to find out how
much climbing over her she will tolerate BEFORE you're stuck with a big
boat and big marina bills and she refuses to sleep aboard it any more.....

Any extra family members must be sleeping on the settees in the main cabin
or in the quarter berth under the cockpit....unless you intend to get a
boat over 40-something feet with an aft cabin. Smaller boats have quarter
berths. Cut a pad out of the same pad material that is no more than 2'
wide by 6' long. Get a cardboard box from an appliance store that a SMALL
refrigerator came in. Put the pad in the box, cut to fit, and make sure
only one end of the box is open. The box can be no more than 2 feet above
the pad. Quarter berths are really tight. Make them sleep in there, with
little or no air circulation. That's what sleeping in a quarterberth is
all about.

Of course, to simulate sleeping anchored out for the weekend, no heat or
air conditioning will be used and all windows will be open without screens
so the bugs can get in.

In the mornings, everybody gets up and goes out on the patio to enjoy the
sunrise. Then, one person at a time goes back inside to dress, shave,
clean themselves in the tiny cabin unless you're a family of nudists who
don't mind looking at each other in the buff. You can't get dressed in the
stinky little head with the door closed on a sailboat. Hell, there's
barely room to bend over so you can sit on the commode. So, everyone will
dress in the main cabin....one at a time.

Boat tables are 2' x 4' and mounted next to the settee. There's no room
for chairs in a boat. So, eat off a 2X4' space on that kitchen table you
slept under while sitting on a couch (settee simulator). You can also go
out with breakfast and sit on the patio (cockpit), if you like.

Ok, breakfast is over. Crank up the lawnmower under the window for 2
hours. It's time to recharge the batteries from last night's usage and to
freeze the coldplate in the boat's icebox which runs off a compressor on
the engine. Get everybody to clean up your little hovel. Don't forget to
make the beds from ONE END ONLY. You can't get to the other 3 sides of a
boat bed pad. All hands go outside and washdown the first fiberglass UPS
truck that passes by. That's about how big the deck is on your 35'
sailboat that needs to have the ocean cleaned off it daily or it'll turn
the white fiberglass all brown like the UPS truck. Now, doesn't the UPS
truck look nice like your main deck?

Ok, we're going to need some food, do the laundry, buy some boat parts that
failed because the manufacturer's bean counters got cheap and used plastics
and the wife wants to "eat out, I'm fed up with cooking on the Coleman
stove" today. Let's make believe we're not at home, but in some exotic
port like Ft Lauderdale, today....on our cruise to Key West......Before
"going ashore", plan on buying all the food you'll want to eat that will:
A - Fit into the Coleman Cooler on the floor
B - You can cook on the Coleman stove without an oven or all those fancy
kitchen tools you don't have on the boat
C - And will last you for 10 days, in case the wind drops and it takes more
time than we planned at sea.
Plan meals carefully in a boat. We can't buy more than we can STORE,
either!

Of course, we came here by BOAT, so we don't have a car. Some nice marinas
have a shuttle bus, but they're not a taxi. The shuttle bus will only go
to West Marine or the tourist traps, so we'll be either taking the city
bus, if there is one or taxi cabs or shopping at the marina store which has
almost nothing to buy at enormous prices.

Walk to the 7-11 store, where you have your car stored, but ignore the car.
Make believe it isn't there. No one drove it to Ft Lauderdale for you.
Use the payphone at the 7-11 and call a cab. Don't give the cab driver ANY
instructions because in Ft Lauderdale you haven't the foggiest idea where
West Marine is located or how to get there, unlike at home. We'll go to
West Marine, first, because if we don't the "head" back on the boat won't
be working for a week because little Suzy broke a valve in it trying to
flush some paper towels. This is your MOST important project,
today....that valve in the toilet!! After the cab drivers drives around
for an hour looking for West Marine and asking his dispatcher how to get
there, go into West Marine and give the clerk a $100 bill, simulating the
cost of toilet parts. Lexus parts are cheaper than toilet parts at West
Marine. See for yourself! The valve she broke, the seals that will have
to be replaced on the way into the valve will come to $100 easy. Tell the
clerk you're using my liveaboard simulator and to take his girlfriend out
to dinner on your $100 greenback. If you DO buy the boat, this'll come in
handy when you DO need boat parts because he'll remember you for the great
time his girlfriend gave him on your $100 tip. Hard-to-find boat parts
will arrive in DAYS, not months like the rest of us. It's just a good
political move while in simulation mode.

Call another cab from West Marine's phone, saving 50c on payphone charges.
Tell the cabbie to take you to the laundromat so we can wash the stinky
clothes in the trunk. The luxury marina's laundry in Ft Lauderdale has a
broken hot water heater. They're working on it, the girl at the store
counter, said, yesterday. Mentioning the $12/ft you paid to park the boat
at their dock won't get the laundry working before we leave for Key West.
Do your laundry in the laundromat the cabbie found for you. Just because
noone speaks English in this neighborhood, don't worry. You'll be fine
this time of day near noon.

Call another cab to take us out of here to a supermarket. When you get
there, resist the temptation to "load up" because your boat has limited
storage and very limited refrigeration space. Buy from the list we made
early this morning. Another package of cookies is OK. Leave one of the
kids guarding the pile of clean laundry just inside the supermarket's front
door....We learned our lesson and DIDN'T forget and leave it in the cab,
again!

Call another cab to take us back to the marina, loaded up with clean
clothes and food and all-important boat parts. Isn't Ft Lauderdale
beautiful from a cab? It's too late to go exploring, today. Maybe
tomorrow.... Don't forget to tell the cab to go to the 7-11 (marina
parking lot)....not your front door.

Ok, haul all the stuff in the dock cart from the 7-11 store the two blocks
to the "boat" bedroom. Wait 20 minutes before starting out for the house.
This simulates waiting for someone to bring back a marina-owned dock cart
from down the docks.....

Put all the stuff away, food and clothes, in the tiny drawer space
provided. Have a beer on the patio (cockpit) and watch the sunset. THIS
is living!

Now, disassemble the toilet in your bathroom, take out the wax ring under
it and put it back. Reassemble the toilet. This completes the simulation
of putting the new valve in the "head" on the boat.

No, no, no. Don't turn that ceiling fan on to pull the smell out. Boats
don't have big exhaust blowers in the head, you know....(c; Just leave the
windows open during dinner. It'll blow away soon.

After getting up, tomorrow morning, from your "V-Berth", take the whole
family out to breakfast by WALKING to the nearest restaurant, then take a
cab to any local park or attraction you like. We're off today to see the
sights of Ft Lauderdale.....before heading out to sea, again, to Key West.
Take a cab back home after dinner out and go to bed, exhausted, on your
little foam pad under the table.....

Get up this morning and disconnect all hoses, electrical wires, etc. Get
ready for "sea". Crank up the lawn mower under the open bedroom window for
4 hours while we motor out to find some wind. ONE responsible adult MUST
be sitting on the hot patio all day, in shifts, "on watch" looking out for
other boats, ships, etc. If you have a riding lawn mower, let the person
"on watch" drive it around the yard all day to simulate driving the boat
down the ICW in heavy traffic. About 2PM, turn off the engine and just
have them sit on the mower "steering" it on the patio. We're under sail,
now. Every hour or so, take everyone out in the yard with a big rope and
have a tug-of-war to simulate the work involved with setting sail, changing
sail, trimming sail. Make sure everyone gets all sweaty in the heat.
Sailors working on sailboats are always all sweaty or we're not going
anywhere fast! Do this all day, today, all night, tonight, all day,
tomorrow, all night tomorrow night and all day the following day until 5PM
when you "arrive" at the next port you're going to. Make sure noone in the
family leaves the confines of the little bedroom or the patio during our
"trip". Make sure everyone conserves water, battery power, etc., things
you'll want to conserve while being at sea on a trip somewhere. Everyone
can go up to the 7-11 for an icecream as soon as we get the "boat" docked
on day 3, the first time anyone has left the confines of the bedroom/patio
in 3 days.

Question - Was anyone suicidal during our simulated voyage? Keep an eye
out for anyone with a problem being cooped up with other family members. If
anyone is attacked, any major fights break out, any threats to throw the
captain to the fish.....forget all about boats and buy a motorhome,
instead.

Anyone got any more "liveaboard simulator" ideas he can use??

Larry...Gotta go dump the holding tanks, back in a bit.