"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:


I'm familiar with other anchoring techniques and have practiced them, but
have never been in a setting requiring their execution. One of my
anchorages, swing is not an issue, the other, bow and stern is the
custom.


I sailed for many years before I started double anchoring. For some
reason, I thought it was overly complicated. Then I cruised in the
company of an old friend who saw me dragging a bit in soft mud. He yelled
over, "just power over there and throw out your Danforth - you'll sleep a
lot better." Ever since then I've kept a Fortress on deck to use whenever
I thought I might worry at 2AM.

I might try the 2 off the bow next time I overnight at Isla Coronado. I
don't need to; it's an uncrowded anchorage with plenty of swing room and no
current or wind shift concerns. However, it is a 30 foot depth so I am
maxed out on scope. Maybe I'll sleep better with 2 anchors down.

Bryan

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article ,
Bryan wrote:
I'm familiar with other anchoring techniques and have practiced them, but
have never been in a setting requiring their execution. One of my
anchorages, swing is not an issue, the other, bow and stern is the custom.

In that case, you need to get out more. :-) Bow/stern isn't that
common. For example, if the current is bow/stern and the wind comes
around to 90, then it can make for a rough ride.

And that is exactly what my books tell me the swing option (2 off the bow)
is good for!

Bryan

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On 10 Dec 2005 20:24:09 -0800, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:

In that case, you need to get out more. :-) Bow/stern isn't that
common.

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I have not cruised off the California coast but could see a need for
keeping your bow into the swell in some anchorages. Being sideways to
the swell is not a fun place to be.


I don't know the history behind bow and stern at my bow and stern anchorage,
but I think it has much to do with squeezing in as many boats as possible
into limited space. There are the wind shift factors as well, but I don't
know, I just don't know.

Bryan

In article ,
Bryan wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On 10 Dec 2005 20:24:09 -0800, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:

In that case, you need to get out more. :-) Bow/stern isn't that
common.

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I have not cruised off the California coast but could see a need for
keeping your bow into the swell in some anchorages. Being sideways to
the swell is not a fun place to be.


I don't know the history behind bow and stern at my bow and stern anchorage,
but I think it has much to do with squeezing in as many boats as possible
into limited space. There are the wind shift factors as well, but I don't
know, I just don't know.

I did this once in exactly that situation down in Marina Cay, BVI. We
got in late, there was no mooring, and anchoring outside the immediate
mooring area was not viable. I did a bow/stern between two other boats
in the same situation. The wind picked up on the beam, and it was
fairly unpleasant.
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In article ,
Bryan wrote:
Right now, my sailing, that requires anchoring, is limited to Catalina
Island (bow and stern) and Isla Coronado (single bow).



Once a year. What a great destination if done right. It's my favorite
getaway. Don't tell anybody; I want to keep Catalina a secret. My next
challenge is to get there in an 18 foot runabout instead of my usual 30 to
40 foot sailboat.

Bryan

Where do you start from? I've sailed out of Long Beach and Dana Point,
but we never did the crossing.



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www.sailnow.com

Bryan wrote:

I might try the 2 off the bow next time I overnight at Isla Coronado. I
don't need to; it's an uncrowded anchorage with plenty of swing room and no
current or wind shift concerns. However, it is a 30 foot depth so I am
maxed out on scope. Maybe I'll sleep better with 2 anchors down.

I was about to say that 300 feet was a lot of chain to put down for 30
feet unless you're very exposed. But I thought I'd look at a chart
first - that certainly looks like like its totally exposed with a ten
mile fetch to the mainland. This would be considered a pretty
marginal anchorage here in New England. We have a few such
destinations, Mohegan, Isle of Shoals, etc., but for the most part,
its easy to find good protection. Of course, the really nice places
closer to Boston are saturated with moorings.

Still, if you're not happy carrying 300 feet of chain, I would suggest
that you could get by with 50 feet of chain and 300 feet of nylon.
The holding power will be just about the same, and in fact you'll be
better able to feel when the hook is set firmly. If you like the
extra weight of chain, you can strap some diver's weights on the rode
and slide them down about 40 feet.

BTW, what kind of anchor do you use, and do you have a windlass?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article ,
Bryan wrote:
Right now, my sailing, that requires anchoring, is limited to Catalina
Island (bow and stern) and Isla Coronado (single bow).



Once a year. What a great destination if done right. It's my favorite
getaway. Don't tell anybody; I want to keep Catalina a secret. My next
challenge is to get there in an 18 foot runabout instead of the usual 30
to
40 foot sailboat.

Bryan

Where do you start from? I've sailed out of Long Beach and Dana Point,
but we never did the crossing.

I've sailed out of Long Beach and Marina Del Rey in the sailboats.

When I try the crossing in the runabout I'll either leave from the Long
Beach ramp or the one next to Seal Beach. Although I'll sail to Catalina in
any conditions found in the summer, I will avoid sailing there during a
Santa Ana condition. With the runabout I'll cancel my Catalina plans and
head for a lake if the conditions aren't perfect.

What do you sail? Email me (there's only one real dot in my address) if you
want my personal favorite Catalina itinerary.

Bryan

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:

I might try the 2 off the bow next time I overnight at Isla Coronado. I
don't need to; it's an uncrowded anchorage with plenty of swing room and
no current or wind shift concerns. However, it is a 30 foot depth so I
am maxed out on scope. Maybe I'll sleep better with 2 anchors down.

I was about to say that 300 feet was a lot of chain to put down for 30
feet unless you're very exposed. But I thought I'd look at a chart
first - that certainly looks like like its totally exposed with a ten mile
fetch to the mainland. This would be considered a pretty marginal
anchorage here in New England. We have a few such destinations, Mohegan,
Isle of Shoals, etc., but for the most part, its easy to find good
protection. Of course, the really nice places closer to Boston are
saturated with moorings.

Still, if you're not happy carrying 300 feet of chain, I would suggest
that you could get by with 50 feet of chain and 300 feet of nylon. The
holding power will be just about the same, and in fact you'll be better
able to feel when the hook is set firmly. If you like the extra weight of
chain, you can strap some diver's weights on the rode and slide them down
about 40 feet.

BTW, what kind of anchor do you use, and do you have a windlass?

The ground tackle is a Danforth anchor, 30 feet of chain, 250 feet of nylon.
No windlass. I aim for a 7:1 scope so 30 feet at high tide is the max depth
I'll anchor in. At Catalina I aim for a spot with 20 feet depth so I can
let out more rode if needed. I'm a fair weather anchorer, so I'll be on a
mooring if conditions aren't near perfect or I won't go. And you're right
my most common anchorages are not textbook perfect. I don't know where the
idea of 300 feet of chain came from (but it wouldn't be on the boat I'm
sailing).

Bryan

Harry,
rec.boats.cruising really does not need your feeble attempts to insult
Larry. You are nothing more than a little gnat buzzing around Larry.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Larry wrote:
Jeff wrote in :

Well, I was asking Gordon. Since the Amel is over 50 feet and displaces
about 20 tons, its not quite the same situation.



Naw...we dream of the big Mari, but this boat is a Sharki 41 (39 if the
marina people are askin'...(c. They measured it.

It's not that big....just well made.


I had no idea you traded that jetski boat for a cruising sailboat.
Congrats.


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Pro-war is not pro-life!

Bryan wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:

I might try the 2 off the bow next time I overnight at Isla Coronado. I
don't need to; it's an uncrowded anchorage with plenty of swing room and
no current or wind shift concerns. However, it is a 30 foot depth so I
am maxed out on scope. Maybe I'll sleep better with 2 anchors down.

I was about to say that 300 feet was a lot of chain to put down for 30
feet unless you're very exposed. But I thought I'd look at a chart
first - that certainly looks like like its totally exposed with a ten mile
fetch to the mainland. This would be considered a pretty marginal
anchorage here in New England. We have a few such destinations, Mohegan,
Isle of Shoals, etc., but for the most part, its easy to find good
protection. Of course, the really nice places closer to Boston are
saturated with moorings.

Still, if you're not happy carrying 300 feet of chain, I would suggest
that you could get by with 50 feet of chain and 300 feet of nylon. The
holding power will be just about the same, and in fact you'll be better
able to feel when the hook is set firmly. If you like the extra weight of
chain, you can strap some diver's weights on the rode and slide them down
about 40 feet.

BTW, what kind of anchor do you use, and do you have a windlass?


The ground tackle is a Danforth anchor, 30 feet of chain, 250 feet of nylon.
No windlass. I aim for a 7:1 scope so 30 feet at high tide is the max depth
I'll anchor in. At Catalina I aim for a spot with 20 feet depth so I can
let out more rode if needed. I'm a fair weather anchorer, so I'll be on a
mooring if conditions aren't near perfect or I won't go. And you're right
my most common anchorages are not textbook perfect. I don't know where the
idea of 300 feet of chain came from (but it wouldn't be on the boat I'm
sailing).

Bryan


With a rope rode 7:1 is not uncommon, with a chain rode 5:1 is the norm.
300 feet of chain let you drop the pick in depths up to 60 feet, not
uncommon in the Pacific MW. In fact, recent studies have show that at
extreme depths (80 to 100 feet) the same 300 feet of rode will hold fine
at 3:1 ratio. You do need a healthy windlass and it does give one some
exercise (I have a manual windlass).