Bryan wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:

I might try the 2 off the bow next time I overnight at Isla Coronado. I
don't need to; it's an uncrowded anchorage with plenty of swing room and
no current or wind shift concerns. However, it is a 30 foot depth so I
am maxed out on scope. Maybe I'll sleep better with 2 anchors down.

I was about to say that 300 feet was a lot of chain to put down for 30
feet unless you're very exposed. But I thought I'd look at a chart
first - that certainly looks like like its totally exposed with a ten mile
fetch to the mainland. This would be considered a pretty marginal
anchorage here in New England. We have a few such destinations, Mohegan,
Isle of Shoals, etc., but for the most part, its easy to find good
protection. Of course, the really nice places closer to Boston are
saturated with moorings.

Still, if you're not happy carrying 300 feet of chain, I would suggest
that you could get by with 50 feet of chain and 300 feet of nylon. The
holding power will be just about the same, and in fact you'll be better
able to feel when the hook is set firmly. If you like the extra weight of
chain, you can strap some diver's weights on the rode and slide them down
about 40 feet.

BTW, what kind of anchor do you use, and do you have a windlass?


The ground tackle is a Danforth anchor, 30 feet of chain, 250 feet of nylon.
No windlass. I aim for a 7:1 scope so 30 feet at high tide is the max depth
I'll anchor in. At Catalina I aim for a spot with 20 feet depth so I can
let out more rode if needed. I'm a fair weather anchorer, so I'll be on a
mooring if conditions aren't near perfect or I won't go. And you're right
my most common anchorages are not textbook perfect. I don't know where the
idea of 300 feet of chain came from (but it wouldn't be on the boat I'm
sailing).

Sorry, it is Gordon, who started this thread, that has 300 feet of chain.

If I were using a Danforth on bottoms other than mud, I would double
anchor more often. I've learned by hard experience that the Danforth
is less than 100% perfect when resetting on wind/current shifts. I've
never had a problem with a Delta, and I'd expect a Spade to do fine as
well. With two anchors this is not so much of a problem; I use a
Fortress as my secondary.

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:29:12 GMT, Gary wrote:

Bryan wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:

I might try the 2 off the bow next time I overnight at Isla Coronado. I
don't need to; it's an uncrowded anchorage with plenty of swing room and
no current or wind shift concerns. However, it is a 30 foot depth so I
am maxed out on scope. Maybe I'll sleep better with 2 anchors down.

http://www.oceanpix.co.uk/anchoring-overnight.htm

" In among islands and against the shore where most anchoring is done,
the wind direction may vary during the course of an evening. By
sundown, when we most often anchor, the breeze is frequently off the
land - not necessarily the prevailing wind direction of a few hours
earlier nor the direction of the predicted shift. Anchors are normally
set to the existing wind at the moment of anchoring. It's the easiest
thing to do. At least the boat will tend properly to her anchor for a
while, but often the wind will be from another direction by morning."

Good graphics///////

Mic'67

In article ,
Bryan wrote:
I've sailed out of Long Beach and Marina Del Rey in the sailboats.

When I try the crossing in the runabout I'll either leave from the Long
Beach ramp or the one next to Seal Beach. Although I'll sail to Catalina in
any conditions found in the summer, I will avoid sailing there during a
Santa Ana condition. With the runabout I'll cancel my Catalina plans and
head for a lake if the conditions aren't perfect.

What do you sail? Email me (there's only one real dot in my address) if you
want my personal favorite Catalina itinerary.

I haven't done much sailing in So. Cal., since I left school in
SD. Why not in Santa Anas? Is the issue beating back or the sea state?

At the moment, I sail (mostly) on a Yamaha 30 out of Sausalito
(school's boat). I also sail Holder 20s on a lake from time to
time. Currently, boatless, but contemplating several in the 35-foot
range.

Email on the way...

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In article ,
Jeff wrote:
I was about to say that 300 feet was a lot of chain to put down for 30
feet unless you're very exposed. But I thought I'd look at a chart
first - that certainly looks like like its totally exposed with a ten
mile fetch to the mainland. This would be considered a pretty
marginal anchorage here in New England. We have a few such
destinations, Mohegan, Isle of Shoals, etc., but for the most part,
its easy to find good protection. Of course, the really nice places
closer to Boston are saturated with moorings.

Still, if you're not happy carrying 300 feet of chain, I would suggest
that you could get by with 50 feet of chain and 300 feet of nylon.
The holding power will be just about the same, and in fact you'll be
better able to feel when the hook is set firmly. If you like the
extra weight of chain, you can strap some diver's weights on the rode
and slide them down about 40 feet.

BTW, what kind of anchor do you use, and do you have a windlass?

Perhaps using collets instead of 300 ft of chain. My recollection is
that they're also almost as good.


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www.sailnow.com

In article , Jeff wrote:
If I were using a Danforth on bottoms other than mud, I would double
anchor more often. I've learned by hard experience that the Danforth
is less than 100% perfect when resetting on wind/current shifts. I've
never had a problem with a Delta, and I'd expect a Spade to do fine as
well. With two anchors this is not so much of a problem; I use a
Fortress as my secondary.

Up here, I could probably get away with using an old tennis shoe in
the SF mud. The big issue is getting the damn thing out of the mud and
then getting the damn mud off the hook before we stow it.
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www.sailnow.com

"Lord Reginald Smithers" The fastest and most accurate Gun in the World
wrote in :

Harry,
rec.boats.cruising really does not need your feeble attempts to insult
Larry. You are nothing more than a little gnat buzzing around Larry.


Please don't feed the Krausebot. It only feeds it.

Kill file him and forget it. I wouldn't have seen him if you hadn't
replied, which everyone shouldn't.

Harry Krause wrote:
Larry wrote:

"Lord Reginald Smithers" The fastest and most accurate Gun in the
World wrote in :

Harry,
rec.boats.cruising really does not need your feeble attempts to
insult Larry. You are nothing more than a little gnat buzzing around
Larry.


Please don't feed the Krausebot. It only feeds it.

Kill file him and forget it. I wouldn't have seen him if you hadn't
replied, which everyone shouldn't.


So, when did you sell that jetski and get the sailboat, Larry?
And what converted you to wind power?



I believe larry crews on other boats and earns his way by taking care of
mechanical/electrical systems .

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:
BTW, what kind of anchor do you use, and do you have a windlass?


The ground tackle is a Danforth anchor, 30 feet of chain, 250 feet of
nylon. No windlass. I aim for a 7:1 scope so 30 feet at high tide is the
max depth I'll anchor in. At Catalina I aim for a spot with 20 feet
depth so I can let out more rode if needed. I'm a fair weather anchorer,
so I'll be on a mooring if conditions aren't near perfect or I won't go.
And you're right my most common anchorages are not textbook perfect. I
don't know where the idea of 300 feet of chain came from (but it wouldn't
be on the boat I'm sailing).

Sorry, it is Gordon, who started this thread, that has 300 feet of chain.

If I were using a Danforth on bottoms other than mud, I would double
anchor more often. I've learned by hard experience that the Danforth is
less than 100% perfect when resetting on wind/current shifts. I've never
had a problem with a Delta, and I'd expect a Spade to do fine as well.
With two anchors this is not so much of a problem; I use a Fortress as my
secondary.

I do anchor in sand and mud; I'm very limited in my alternate opportunities
and the danforth is the common anchor on the boats I sail.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Jeff wrote:
BTW, what kind of anchor do you use, and do you have a windlass?

Perhaps using collets instead of 300 ft of chain. My recollection is
that they're also almost as good.


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www.sailnow.com



Now I have to look up collets! Thanks.

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 05:27:28 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote:

Now I have to look up collets! Thanks.

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Try looking under kellet first.

http://www.johnsboatstuff.com/Articles/anchor.htm