Gary wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:

Submarine collisions are extremely rare.

Tell that to the Japaneese Research Vessel off the big
Island.....

Like I said, rare. Two ever that I know of.

That's why I put it at the bottom of the list :-)

wrote:
wrote:

How would you rate the followings in terms of the number of
incidents involving loss of lives along the major cruising routes
each year ?

Unpredictable storms (during long crossings)
Rogue waves
Shipping containers
Whales
Pirates
Icebergs
Submarines

Others ?


I forgot the sea mines. Are there still sea mines left from
World War II ?
Persian Gulf (Gulf War) but not elsewhere.

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:07:55 GMT, You wrote:

Submarine collisions are extremely rare.

Tell that to the Japaneese Research Vessel off the big Island.....

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There have been others but I stand by my statement. Submarines are
way down on the bottom of my list of concerns.

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:11:09 GMT, Gary wrote:

I forgot the sea mines. Are there still sea mines left from
World War II ?
Persian Gulf (Gulf War) but not elsewhere.

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It's my understanding that most mines are magnetically actuated so not
much of an issue for plastic boats in any case. I'd rank it somewhere
near collision with a submarine.

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:40:35 GMT, Gary wrote:

You wrote:
In article ,
Wayne.B wrote:


Submarine collisions are extremely rare.


Tell that to the Japaneese Research Vessel off the big Island.....
Like I said, rare. Two ever that I know of.


Is this one of them?

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/mari...8/m94w0078.asp


Jack

_________________________________________
Jack Dale
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor
CYA Advanced Cruising Instructor
http://www.swiftsuresailing.com
_________________________________________

Gary wrote:
wrote:

wrote:

How would you rate the followings in terms of the number of
incidents involving loss of lives along the major cruising routes
each year ?

Unpredictable storms (during long crossings)
Rogue waves
Shipping containers
Whales
Pirates
Icebergs
Submarines

Others ?



I forgot the sea mines. Are there still sea mines left from
World War II ?

Persian Gulf (Gulf War) but not elsewhere.


I haven't heard of any for quite some years but back in the seventies
there were occasional reports of floating mines around some of the
Pacific Islands. I recall one chap (a Kiwi in '74) who sighted and
photographed one in the Solomons. It kept me on my toes for a while.


My biggest concerns are illness, I once had an appendix attack many days
sail from medical aid, and someone going overboard at night. I charter
and it is always a worry.

I developed a simple but very effective man overboard alarm a few years
back but couldn't get anyone interested in producing it. It also works
as a "lost child" preventer, sounds when the wearer of the device moves
more than thirty feet from the alarm sensor, both very portable. Sounds
the alarm and triggers a MOB waypoint on the GPS. I imagine that there
must be similar units produced nowadays although I have not seen one.

My concern began after losing (and recovering) an eleven year old who
went over the side at night back in '71. It wasn't my boat, I was
crewing for a friend and it was his son who went over. We didn't find
him missing for more than an hour. We had spent an hour or two in thirty
foot swells and you couldn't move without holding on. The kid had been
in his bunk when we last looked but had started feeling seasick and had
try to throw up over the rail. He had a life vest with a water activated
flashing light; don't like to think what would have happened if he
hadn't been wearing it. It took us two hours to find him. For several
years after that I would always trail a knotted line whenever there was
only one watchkeeper on deck.


Matelot

How about, face burnt off by positioning same to see the pretty fire in the
back end of the launcher? I guess that would be a crew hazard.
"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
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Gary wrote:
wrote:
How would you rate the followings in terms of the number of
incidents involving loss of lives along the major cruising routes
each year ?

Unpredictable storms (during long crossings)
No such thing.
Rogue waves
Very rare.
Shipping containers
Keep a lookout.
Whales
Keep a lookout.
Pirates
Stay away from higher risk reas. Look poor.
Icebergs
Keep a lookout. (Not on major cruising routes.
Submarines
Not on the surface. (deep)

Others ?

Less risky than driving your car to work.
The highest risk for me is getting injured or sick enroute or falling
off the boat.


Gaz

Head blown off due to trying to unjam RPG launcher to attack approaching
pirates.

Yeah, but at least with poopy we can have some fun:}
"d parker" wrote in message
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wrote in message
nk.net...

How would you rate the followings in terms of the number of
incidents involving loss of lives along the major cruising routes
each year ?

Unpredictable storms (during long crossings)
Rogue waves
Shipping containers
Whales
Pirates
Icebergs
Submarines

Others ?


The big one you missed is Sailors who die at home while on the internet
replying to Trolls.

DP

Higher or lower than being attacked and sunk by a whale?
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:11:09 GMT, Gary wrote:

I forgot the sea mines. Are there still sea mines left from
World War II ?
Persian Gulf (Gulf War) but not elsewhere.

====================

It's my understanding that most mines are magnetically actuated so not
much of an issue for plastic boats in any case. I'd rank it somewhere
near collision with a submarine.

Jack Dale wrote:
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:40:35 GMT, Gary wrote:


You wrote:

In article ,
Wayne.B wrote:



Submarine collisions are extremely rare.


Tell that to the Japaneese Research Vessel off the big Island.....

Like I said, rare. Two ever that I know of.



Is this one of them?

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/mari...8/m94w0078.asp


Jack

_________________________________________
Jack Dale
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor
CYA Advanced Cruising Instructor
http://www.swiftsuresailing.com
_________________________________________
Yeah, that is it. Note that it is pretty clearly a case of the
yachtsman not conducting himself properly. The sub appears to have been
doing everything correctly.

I remember when it happened it was quite a fuss. I am in the Navy, and
lived in Victoria at the time. There was a lot of discussion about
yachts, traffic lanes and use of radar by folks with limited or no training.

In any event, going the wrong way in the outbound traffic lanes, poor
radar watch, on the wrong VTMS channel etc all adds up to a huge risk in
fog.

Gaz