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Sailboat knockdown near Seattle
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"Gordon" wrote in message
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Sailboat knockdown near Seattle
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Ask not for whom the terrorist bell tolls; it tolls for thee, and thee,
and
thee--for decent, innocent people everywhere.

Why don't you paraphrase the story... you have to register to read the page.

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Basically, the 25' sailboat was knocked down in stiff winds. Three men,
one woman aboard. Two of the men went overboard without life jackets. One of
the men was in the water about an hour before they got him out. Coastguard
helo to hospital. DOA
Boat righted itself.
Gordon
BTW, I'm guessing water was somewhat under 50 F at this time of year.

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Sailboat knockdown near Seattle
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Ask not for whom the terrorist bell tolls; it tolls for thee, and thee,
and
thee--for decent, innocent people everywhere.

Why don't you paraphrase the story... you have to register to read the
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Sheesh... bad news! Where was the boat? Wonder why it took so long to
retrieve the MOB... shouldn't take more than a few minutes unless you lose
sight of him or you have no clue.

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"Gordon" wrote in message
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Basically, the 25' sailboat was knocked down in stiff winds. Three men,
one woman aboard. Two of the men went overboard without life jackets. One
of
the men was in the water about an hour before they got him out. Coastguard
helo to hospital. DOA
Boat righted itself.
Gordon
BTW, I'm guessing water was somewhat under 50 F at this time of year.

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Gordon" wrote in message
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Sailboat knockdown near Seattle
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Ask not for whom the terrorist bell tolls; it tolls for thee, and thee,
and
thee--for decent, innocent people everywhere.

Why don't you paraphrase the story... you have to register to read the
page.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in news:11tqb777e8mft28
@corp.supernews.com:

you have no clue

Try this and see how you come out.....

Take out your usual crew of people, some partially sailors, some not, don't
do anything special or try to add qualified members to your little
assemblage.

Take her out in the harbor to a big open area with few boats you might
endanger.

Jump overboard from your lofty helm perch and start frantically screaming
and waving your arms in distress. Click the stopwatch on your diver's
Rolex Oyster to time this event.

Watch the reaction from back aboard by your crack crew of wife, kids,
friends, business associates and those still drinking your beer.

How long was it before they got her turned around and came effortlessly
alongside your position to retrieve you, using the finest navigation and
methods of retrieval?

Look up and down your dock. How many wives and teenagers are qualified
sailors and helmsmen on all those other dock condos on your particular
dock. How many wives have NEVER handled the boat by themselves?

See why it took so long?

Larry wrote in news:Xns975AEE52D24E4noonehomecom@
208.49.80.253:

See why it took so long?



Ok, now let's assume you've survived that first test. Tell them your arms
are broken and they'll have to dock the boat back at your slip without you.
Go below and lay in your AFT berth until you can be hauled to the hospital
ashore.....

Under no circumstances get out of that berth until they get AC power hooked
back up to your boat and you can hear the battery charger humming. That's
fair, right?

Is your liability policy paid up-to-date?...(c

"Larry" wrote in message
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Try this and see how you come out.....

Take out your usual crew of people, some partially sailors, some not,

Take her out in the harbor to a big open area with few boats you might
endanger.

Jump overboard from your lofty helm perch and start frantically screaming
and waving your arms in distress. Click the stopwatch on your diver's
Rolex Oyster to time this event.

Watch the reaction from back aboard by your crack crew of wife, kids,
friends, business associates and those still drinking your beer.

How long was it before they got her turned around and came effortlessly
alongside your position to retrieve you, using the finest navigation and
methods of retrieval?


I've actually experienced this scenario almost exactly, though it was my
crazy brother- not me- who dived off the boat unexpectedly, and it was not
in a "big open area with few boats"

We were heading out for a race, had just hoisted the mainsail when the winch
barrel on an old Barlow 16 winch popped of and rolled over the side (they
had a spring loaded retaining mechanism which was hopeless). The crew
consisted of my brother and myself (both with many years of racing and
cruising experience) and a friend who had been out sailing a couple of
times.

As the winch barrel rolled over, out of the corner of my eye, I saw my
brother dive in after it! We were in the middle of the channel leading out
of the boat harbour with maybe 10-12 other boats heading out to the start- a
few had to dodge him. He had actually grabbed it and was holding the winch
barrel aloft like a prize.

After the first few seconds of stunned disbelief, I explained to Graeme, my
inexperienced crewman, how to drop the mainsail, we dropped it, started the
diesel (there was no manoeuvring room in the channel to sail) and motored
back to get my idiot brother. Total time about 3 minutes.

I had been planning to replace that crappy old winch for some time, but,
because it was there, hadn't bothered. It would have been an ideal
opportunity- but it was still there when I sold the boat a couple of years
later.

Surprisingly, I still go sailing with my brother.

Peter HK

Yes, it's another one of those monohulls going down to the bottom with their
heavy keels.

Sherwin D.

Gordon wrote:

Basically, the 25' sailboat was knocked down in stiff winds. Three men,
one woman aboard. Two of the men went overboard without life jackets. One of
the men was in the water about an hour before they got him out. Coastguard
helo to hospital. DOA
Boat righted itself.
Gordon
BTW, I'm guessing water was somewhat under 50 F at this time of year.

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Sailboat knockdown near Seattle
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and
thee--for decent, innocent people everywhere.

Why don't you paraphrase the story... you have to register to read the
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"sherwindu" wrote in message
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Yes, it's another one of those monohulls going down to the bottom with
their
heavy keels.

Sherwin D.

Gordon wrote:

Basically, the 25' sailboat was knocked down in stiff winds. Three men,
one woman aboard. Two of the men went overboard without life jackets. One
of
the men was in the water about an hour before they got him out.
Coastguard
helo to hospital. DOA
Boat righted itself.
Gordon
BTW, I'm guessing water was somewhat under 50 F at this time of year.

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Gordon" wrote in message
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http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori....4aa9b54f.html

Sailboat knockdown near Seattle
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Ask not for whom the terrorist bell tolls; it tolls for thee, and
thee,
and
thee--for decent, innocent people everywhere.

Why don't you paraphrase the story... you have to register to read the
page.

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This was a knockdown not a capsize or a sinking. Or, were you trying to make
some other point?

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"sherwindu" wrote in message
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Yes, it's another one of those monohulls going down to the bottom with
their
heavy keels.

Sherwin D.

Gordon wrote:

Basically, the 25' sailboat was knocked down in stiff winds.


This was a knockdown not a capsize or a sinking. Or, were you trying to
make some other point?

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I, also, am at a loss as to the point. Irony aside- sadly, a man dies out
sailing on a mono, and this somehow shows how monos are inherently safe.

Pretty disturbed thought processes- I believe the term is "knight's move
thinking".

Peter HK