Dene wrote:
Just bought your book on Amazon. $16.50 including S&H.

Hope you find it useful!

One question about manuel pump toilets compared to the porta potty we had on
our prior boat. We never had an odor problem. The solution was pumped in
with the water prior to flushing and out into the holding tanks. Whereas,
manual flush toilet draws in river water and then flushes it. Isn't that a
recipe for odor? We've noticed that this head smells far worse than the
porta-potty ever did. Nothing unbearable....just noticeable.

Fresh water usually doesn't stink...but it can if the water isn't very
clean...the organic matter and bacteria in it stagnate in the head
intake line and pump. If you get into shallow water you can also pull in
weeds and bits of organic debris that get caught in the pump and channel
in the rim of bowl, die and decay...and stink. If you have odor from
your toilet even though the seacock is closed and the only water going
into it is fresh water from the sink, you prob'ly have some stagnant
river water trapped in it, or some weeds.

If the whole boat kinda smells, permeated sanitation hoses are the most
likely culprit...new hoses is the only cure for that. Or, your bilge and
sumps just may be in need of a SERIOUS cleaning instead of just dumping
in more bilge cleaner...wet dirty bilges and sumps can smell just like a
sewer.

I've forgotten (if you ever mentioned it)...what IS your new
boat...size, make, age?


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Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
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Dene wrote:
Just bought your book on Amazon. $16.50 including S&H.

Hope you find it useful!

One question about manuel pump toilets compared to the porta potty we
had on
our prior boat. We never had an odor problem. The solution was pumped
in
with the water prior to flushing and out into the holding tanks.
Whereas,
manual flush toilet draws in river water and then flushes it. Isn't
that a
recipe for odor? We've noticed that this head smells far worse than the
porta-potty ever did. Nothing unbearable....just noticeable.

Fresh water usually doesn't stink...but it can if the water isn't very
clean...the organic matter and bacteria in it stagnate in the head
intake line and pump. If you get into shallow water you can also pull in
weeds and bits of organic debris that get caught in the pump and channel
in the rim of bowl, die and decay...and stink. If you have odor from
your toilet even though the seacock is closed and the only water going
into it is fresh water from the sink, you prob'ly have some stagnant
river water trapped in it, or some weeds.

If the whole boat kinda smells, permeated sanitation hoses are the most
likely culprit...new hoses is the only cure for that. Or, your bilge and
sumps just may be in need of a SERIOUS cleaning instead of just dumping
in more bilge cleaner...wet dirty bilges and sumps can smell just like a
sewer.

I've never put bilge cleaner in. I'll try that.

I've forgotten (if you ever mentioned it)...what IS your new
boat...size, make, age?

It's a 2000 Maxum 2400 SE, roughly 25 feet long. It's been in the water
since 2002, stored in a boathouse.

The hoses you speak of. Are you referring to the ones in the head? If so,
then we'll replace them when the Raritan is installed.

-Greg

Dene wrote:
I've never put bilge cleaner in. I'll try that.

Unless you actually clean the bilge and flush all the dirty water out,
it won't help much

I've forgotten (if you ever mentioned it)...what IS your new
boat...size, make, age?


It's a 2000 Maxum 2400 SE, roughly 25 feet long. It's been in the water
since 2002, stored in a boathouse.

If the bilge is wet, after sitting for 3 years, it could very well be
the source of your odor.

The hoses you speak of. Are you referring to the ones in the head?

Not just the ones in the head...the hose from the head to the tank and
from the tank to the pumpout fitting, and possibly the vent line too. If
the head intake hose is clear plastic, it should be replaced with a hose
that's rated for below-waterline connection whether it stinks or not.

To find out if your hoses have permeated, wet a rag (use a clean one for
each separate section of hose) in HOT water...wring it out, wrap it
around the lowest part of the hose. When the rag is cool, remove it and
smell it. If you can't smell anything on the rag, that hose is
fine...but if it stinks at all, replace the hose.

If so,
then we'll replace them when the Raritan is installed.

That would be the time to do it. Btw...you'll find some tips in my book
that should make that job a little easier.

--
Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

Larry wrote:
I think this is a job for the wife, personally....(c;

You would...

Pfat chance....

Pfat chance indeed! In case you aren't aware of it, more wives than
husbands take responsibility for solving odor and "potty" problems.
That's prob'ly because women are more able to take such things in
stride...'cuz it's mothers, not fathers, who change most of the diapers.
It's women--not men--who've have been up to our elbows in this stuff
ever since Eve slapped the first grape leaf on Cain's bottom while Adam
was out doing some kind of "guy" thing.

So Larry, you are indeed a misogynist, but I luv ya anyway.


--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

If $225 is a bit more than you want to spend, go with a Groco HF. It's
not as durable as a PH II, but you should get at least 5-7
trouble-free years from it. .

Peggy, a boat I bought has a Raritan Compact head. I was about to buy a
service kit for it. But then wondered, do you know if I could swap in
the pump assembly from the successor, the Compact II?

Also, are you saying the PHII is not well made any more? If I rep[laced,
that was my leading contender.

Thanks for any info. Many fond memories from the old Compuserve Sailing
Forum.

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
et...
Larry wrote:
I think this is a job for the wife, personally....(c;

You would...

Pfat chance....

Pfat chance indeed! In case you aren't aware of it, more wives than
husbands take responsibility for solving odor and "potty" problems.
That's prob'ly because women are more able to take such things in
stride...'cuz it's mothers, not fathers, who change most of the diapers.
It's women--not men--who've have been up to our elbows in this stuff
ever since Eve slapped the first grape leaf on Cain's bottom while Adam
was out doing some kind of "guy" thing.

Face it....you're just jealous of our outdoor plumbing. :

-Greg

8906 wrote:

If $225 is a bit more than you want to spend, go with a Groco HF. It's
not as durable as a PH II, but you should get at least 5-7

trouble-free years from it. .

Peggy, a boat I bought has a Raritan Compact head. I was about to buy a
service kit for it. But then wondered, do you know if I could swap in
the pump assembly from the successor, the Compact II?

Yep, you can...but it'll prob'ly cost you about the same as the complete
CPII if you shop hard.

Also, are you saying the PHII is not well made any more?

Nooo..whatever gave you THAT idea? If you re-read what what you quoted
above, you'll see that I said the Groco is not as durable as the PH II,
but still a much better choice than a Jabsco for about the same money.

If I rep[laced,
that was my leading contender.

And it should still be!


Thanks for any info. Many fond memories from the old Compuserve Sailing
Forum.

The OLYC was best online forum EVER!

--
Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
news
8906 wrote:

If $225 is a bit more than you want to spend, go with a Groco HF. It's
not as durable as a PH II, but you should get at least 5-7

trouble-free years from it. .

Peggy, a boat I bought has a Raritan Compact head. I was about to buy a
service kit for it. But then wondered, do you know if I could swap in
the pump assembly from the successor, the Compact II?

Yep, you can...but it'll prob'ly cost you about the same as the complete
CPII if you shop hard.

Also, are you saying the PHII is not well made any more?

Nooo..whatever gave you THAT idea? If you re-read what what you quoted
above, you'll see that I said the Groco is not as durable as the PH II,
but still a much better choice than a Jabsco for about the same money.

Went on an overnight last night. This morning, she-who- must-be-obeyed
decreed that we're getting a new head, pronto. (She bore 4 children....her
bladder requires many flushes). We're now the proud owner of a Raritan,
soon to be installed this weekend. We're also replacing the hoses.

The dealer, Sexton Chanderly, concurred with your assessment of the Jabsco,
describing it as entry level at best, worthless to rebuild.

Thanks Peggy!

-Greg

Nooo..whatever gave you THAT idea? If you re-read what what you quoted


You are right. Somehow, my tired eyes misread that. Glad to have that
clarified.

Turns out there is a full set of spares for this Compact. The previous
owner of this boat left it well equipped. So for now I shall use of the
replacement parts. But the next maintenance cycle shall involve
replacement with a PHII.


Thanks for any info. Many fond memories from the old Compuserve
Sailing Forum.

The OLYC was best online forum EVER!

sigh... miss it all the time.

Lots of things I miss about those pre-internet days of online fora. But
sure glad we aren't paying by the hour any more.