Have some sympathy for those of us who fight tendonitis from doing too
much computer work while trying to get our boats back in the water.

Having to scroll down through one or two pages of stuff we've already
read on each and every message in a long thread gets really irksome.
It's expecially aggravating when all you find at the bottom is a one
line smart ass coment instead of something useful.

Did you know that, if you click the mouse, hold down the shift key and
scroll down, pressing "Delete" will make all that stuff disappear?
The minor inconvienience of occasionally having to go back up the
thread to figure out what the person meant is nothing compared to the
drudgery of scrolling down over, and over, and over.

Every once in a while some newsgroup nazi will come out screaming
about "Top Posting" but, the way these groups are used today, it makes
sense. If you must leave everything that came before, do it. The
reader can immediately read the smart ass comment at the top. If it
doesn't make sense, they can then skip down to find the context.

When the context is necessary or you want to make clear which point
you are responding to, cut and past just the "Pighead wrote:" and the
relevant point to the top and then respond.

I'm not trying to be a newsgroup nazi here myself. I would just like
to be able to read all your insightful and incredibly knowledgable
posting while preserving enough wrist function to be able to go out
and sand all the bottom paint on my 32 foot boat.

--

Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in news:zyPWf.20261$Da7.12289
@twister.nyroc.rr.com:

I would just like
to be able to read all your insightful and incredibly knowledgable
posting while preserving enough wrist function to be able to go out
and sand all the bottom paint on my 32 foot boat.


The only problem with this action is this is rec.boats.cruising, a meeting
place, not rec.boats.maintenance, a needed newsgroup maybe we should
request. If noone could post anything but maintenance problems and their
solutions to the newsgroup, the group would be full of people, like
yourself, asking for help. Those who don't need help and are providing the
ton of information you've, personally, gotten in answer to your personal
problems wouldn't stay on the group, as a social group, and the helpers
would never see your volumous questions.

Maybe we shouldn't view this as the guys sitting around the bar listening
to Buffett on the old Seeburg, eh? Let's start a new group,
rec.boats.party where all technical, maintenance and problem resolution
we've all helped you with is forbidden, going unanswered. I'd bet the
helpers would move to the new bar for a few drinks and a few laughs. Isn't
that what cruising is all about? I'd hate to think it was only about
maintenance, as you suggest.

It isn't maintenance vs. social at all. Having to scroll down through
a couple of pages of suff you have already read (4 or 5 times on a
long thread) is even more aggravating and less necessary on the social
banter.

I enjoy that stuff as well and it's more enjoyable when you can just
click down the thread like a conversation instead of having to keep
scrolling to the bottom.

I like the idea of a maintenance only group but I suspect result in
there just being two groups with about the same ratio of maintenance
related posts and social stuff on each.

--

Roger Long

So you're claiming that unsnipped bottom posting would be easier to
read if the name of the group was changed?


Larry wrote:

The only problem with this action is this is rec.boats.cruising, a meeting
place, not rec.boats.maintenance, a needed newsgroup maybe we should
request. If noone could post anything but maintenance problems and their
solutions to the newsgroup, the group would be full of people, like
yourself, asking for help. Those who don't need help and are providing the
ton of information you've, personally, gotten in answer to your personal
problems wouldn't stay on the group, as a social group, and the helpers
would never see your volumous questions.

Maybe we shouldn't view this as the guys sitting around the bar listening
to Buffett on the old Seeburg, eh? Let's start a new group,
rec.boats.party where all technical, maintenance and problem resolution
we've all helped you with is forbidden, going unanswered. I'd bet the
helpers would move to the new bar for a few drinks and a few laughs. Isn't
that what cruising is all about? I'd hate to think it was only about
maintenance, as you suggest.

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
So you're claiming that unsnipped bottom posting would be easier to
read if the name of the group was changed?


Larry wrote:

The only problem with this action is this is rec.boats.cruising, a
meeting place, not rec.boats.maintenance, a needed newsgroup maybe
we should request. If noone could post anything but maintenance
problems and their solutions to the newsgroup, the group would be
full of people, like yourself, asking for help. Those who don't
need help and are providing the ton of information you've,
personally, gotten in answer to your personal problems wouldn't
stay on the group, as a social group, and the helpers would never
see your volumous questions.

Maybe we shouldn't view this as the guys sitting around the bar
listening to Buffett on the old Seeburg, eh? Let's start a new
group, rec.boats.party where all technical, maintenance and problem
resolution we've all helped you with is forbidden, going
unanswered. I'd bet the helpers would move to the new bar for a
few drinks and a few laughs. Isn't that what cruising is all
about? I'd hate to think it was only about maintenance, as you
suggest.


Oh, so that's what he meant!

(Just kidding)

--

Roger Long

LOL!

Pot, kettle, etc., original left below as requested originally, illustrating
the original complaint.

--
L8R

Skip, back home for a bit of therapy, weddings and travel

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so
much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in
boats-or *with* boats.
In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's
the charm of it.
Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
So you're claiming that unsnipped bottom posting would be easier to read
if the name of the group was changed?


Larry wrote:

The only problem with this action is this is rec.boats.cruising, a
meeting place, not rec.boats.maintenance, a needed newsgroup maybe we
should request. If noone could post anything but maintenance problems
and their solutions to the newsgroup, the group would be full of people,
like yourself, asking for help. Those who don't need help and are
providing the ton of information you've, personally, gotten in answer to
your personal problems wouldn't stay on the group, as a social group,
and the helpers would never see your volumous questions.

Maybe we shouldn't view this as the guys sitting around the bar
listening to Buffett on the old Seeburg, eh? Let's start a new group,
rec.boats.party where all technical, maintenance and problem resolution
we've all helped you with is forbidden, going unanswered. I'd bet the
helpers would move to the new bar for a few drinks and a few laughs.
Isn't that what cruising is all about? I'd hate to think it was only
about maintenance, as you suggest.


Oh, so that's what he meant!

(Just kidding)

--

Roger Long

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:46:39 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

I would just like
to be able to read all your insightful and incredibly knowledgable
posting while preserving enough wrist function to be able to go out
and sand all the bottom paint on my 32 foot boat.

Hah! You're just trying to find some reason to delay going out there
and sanding all the bottom paint.

Been there, done that.

Try getting a good multi year bottom paint, should be easy in the cold
waters of Maine. I've been getting good results with Micron Optima
with Biolux. It's still going strong after 18 months in SWFL, 6,000
miles of serious cruising to Canada and back, and just about
everywhere in between.

Why not just click on the middle button, hold it down, move the text at
your pleasure?

Because my boat came from fresh water, all the grief and expense being
discussed here, and Interlux and the yard's assurance that it was the
only thing that would stick, I'm using VC 17M.

I don't have a lot of experience to compare it to but I'm clearly
going to have to buy a wet suit or at least something nice for a diver
friend mid season. It goes on pretty thin so I shouldn't have to face
the conversion agony for a few years.

Surface prep is pretty simple. Knock off any loose stuff (not much,
even after converting from straight VC 17 to the 17 M) and go over it
with a Scotch Bright pad or light sanding. The yard said that, if I
do it wet over a drop cloth and let it dry before painting, I won't
have to rent their vacuum sander.

--

Roger Long



"Wayne.B" wrote Try getting a good
multi year bottom paint, should be easy in the cold
waters of Maine. I've been getting good results with Micron Optima
with Biolux. It's still going strong after 18 months in SWFL, 6,000
miles of serious cruising to Canada and back, and just about
everywhere in between.

Have been using VC 17 for years on a 33' sailboat in Long Island Sound.
No prep needed after a power wash. I use two coats-it dries so fast I
can do both in a few hours.

Roger Long wrote:
Because my boat came from fresh water, all the grief and expense being
discussed here, and Interlux and the yard's assurance that it was the
only thing that would stick, I'm using VC 17M.

I don't have a lot of experience to compare it to but I'm clearly
going to have to buy a wet suit or at least something nice for a diver
friend mid season. It goes on pretty thin so I shouldn't have to face
the conversion agony for a few years.

Surface prep is pretty simple. Knock off any loose stuff (not much,
even after converting from straight VC 17 to the 17 M) and go over it
with a Scotch Bright pad or light sanding. The yard said that, if I
do it wet over a drop cloth and let it dry before painting, I won't
have to rent their vacuum sander.

--

Roger Long



"Wayne.B" wrote Try getting a good
multi year bottom paint, should be easy in the cold
waters of Maine. I've been getting good results with Micron Optima
with Biolux. It's still going strong after 18 months in SWFL, 6,000
miles of serious cruising to Canada and back, and just about
everywhere in between.