most everyone here has attempted to point out that things just aint
what they used to be in the Keys and my post will not differ
much.......

Threats of fines SHOULD concern ANY vessel operator throughout the
Keys, but I am surprised (after viewing bobs website) that he would
write "the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty for accidently
running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage to the sea
grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the vessel is
aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs,
plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus
the cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your
boat..."

Bob how about supporting your yardstick formula as it relates to a
smallcraft bareboat charter ? Bob, if you really want to spread
misinformation and take things out of context you could comfortably
add "Just entering the ATBA could cost you $10,000.00 !"

(the $10,000.00 fine in context )

http://www.fknms.nos.noaa.gov/news/s.../07_01_03.html

But enough on Bobs troll and back to Matts post:

Matt writes " yes I know to bring Budweiser to trade for shrimp/fresh
catch."

Its my understanding that for a fisherman to be able to sell/barter
SEAFOOD products that the fisherman MUST have a Florida wholesale
seafood license

from the FWC website:

"A Retail Sal****er Products Dealer License (RC) is required to sell
any sal****er products to the end consumer. A retail dealer can only
purchase from a wholesale dealer. The RC is not required when products
are prepared for consumption or take-out under a license issued by the
Division of Hotels and Restaurants.

Wholesale and retail dealers who produce their own products under an
SPL must also report their landings to the Commission. Reporting
requirements for dealers are found in ch. 68-E, F.A.C. Landings under
an RC cannot be used to qualify for the RS."

These rules have been on the books for years and years but enforcement
was thin, in this new age of regulation it has come to my attention
that this rule is being enforced and just a couple weeks ago updated
my website to reflect just that:

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/cruising.../Tortugas.html



"Capt. Matt" ...
Hello,
The wife & I are looking at a week of sailing (bareboat charter, ours is too
small for a comfy trip) and a visit to the Dry Tortugas Nat. Park. This will
be our first trip, and I'm looking for any suggestions. We plan to sail from
Naples/Marco Is. in mid November. Any hints will be appreciated, yes I know
to bring Budweiser to trade for shrimp/fresh catch.
TIA
Matt

Roy G. Biv wrote:


Bob how about supporting your yardstick formula as it relates to a
smallcraft bareboat charter ? Bob, if you really want to spread
misinformation and take things out of context you could comfortably
add "Just entering the ATBA could cost you $10,000.00 !"

(the $10,000.00 fine in context )


Unfortunately Bob knows from personal and financially traumatic
experience. ;-)

I am familiar with the incident. A very minor grounding by one of his
students ended up costing well into 5 digits.

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"Don W." wrote:

Wow!

That is just plain nuts, and far out of proportion with the damage
to the environment. Are we becoming a reactionary nation or what?
For a lot of less well-off boaters, that translates to:

"If you run hard aground we will take everything you own including
your house, car, and boat."


-unless you are a corporation with one dollar of capitalisation,
and an old boat. Check out the bankruptcy laws of florida before
you criticise their strategy to keep tourist in the high priced
bars.



How did we get to this point?

Don W.

Bob Cook wrote:

Hmmm...that's easy...

I would suggest reading up on the FKNMS, (Florida Keys National Marine
Sanctuary) areas, designations, rules, regulations, enforcement provisions,
and penalties. For instance, the yardstick formula for assessing a penalty
for accidently running aground in the FKNMS and doing even minimal damage to
the sea grass or any reef is $100,000 per day, prorated per hour the vessel
is aground, plus damage assessment costs, plus bottom restoration costs,
plus court costs, plus any fines for negligent navigation...oh, plus the
cost of towing, salvage and any damage you might do to your boat... So you
may want to reconsider just how anxious you are to go sailing in the Florida
Keys.

Bob Cook

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See text of law:

US Federal Regulations, Title 15 CFR, Part 922.45, 922.46, and Part 904,.1
thru 904.108.

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So why don't you just post it here? And who's post are your responding to, anyways?


"Bob Cook" wrote in message
...
See text of law:

US Federal Regulations, Title 15 CFR, Part 922.45, 922.46, and Part 904,.1
thru 904.108.

Bob Cook

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Jeff Morris wrote:

So why don't you just post it here? And who's post are your responding to, anyways?

"Bob Cook" wrote in message
...
See text of law:

US Federal Regulations, Title 15 CFR, Part 922.45, 922.46, and Part 904,.1
thru 904.108.

Bob Cook

Start at
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_03/15cfr922_03.html if it's
worth reading ...

Thank you

For Part 904 also see this link:

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/w...cfr904_03.html

Bob

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All,

Here are two more links I found re NOAA, the NMS and NOAA's GCEL, (Office of
General Counsel for Enforcement and Litigation.

The first is to the office of the general counsel for Noaa, the office which
does the
prosecuting of Noaa cases.

1. http://www.gcel.noaa.gov/schedules/

The second is to a sub-page of the first being a link to the schedule of
fines, etc and
serving apparently serving as a guideline for the OGC when they impose
fines, etc. I had
not seen this before. Note the $5,000-25,000 fines for first time
violations.

2. http://www.gcel.noaa.gov/schedules/8...loridaKeys.pdf

Bob

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