Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

So....here's the dilemma. My wife and I currently sail a Beneteau First
35s5 on the Long Island Sound. We love the boat, though it's our first
season with her. She's great in all kinds of air and quite comfortable
for our daysails and overnighters with our two year old son.
Down the road we planned to buy a more serious cruiser and of course I
recently got a heads up that a Baltic 43 was going to be set for
auction in Florida. The boat, already surveyed two months ago, is in
excellent shape. She's a 1987 and loaded with gear, sails and upgrades
added last year to the tune of 75K. Only..it was never paid for and now
the boat belongs, in part, to the yard run by a friend of mine. Long
story short: I can own the Baltic 43 for 145K, plus another 4K to ship
it here. That's a huge chunk off of what they typically sell for.
The problem....obviously a unique deal and obviously too much boat for
us at present. Do we jump on it for the deal. We WOULD sail her, she
just wouldn't get the kind of use a boat like that should. That's not
to say you can't daysail what you want, but a Baltic 43 is a true
bluewater yacht.
Some of our friends say "you don't buy the right boat at the wrong time
and good deals be damned." Others say, JUMP! I think the latter group
just wants to sail her!

I'd be interested in what YOU would do if presented with this
opportunity. Oh, and we are not really permitted to flip the boat. The
offer is for us to BUY and keep her for a while. My friend could easily
sell her for more without my help!



Thanks

Robert & Suzanne
35s5 Heart of Gold
NY

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

In . com "Capt. Rob" writes:



So....here's the dilemma. My wife and I currently sail a Beneteau First
35s5 on the Long Island Sound. We love the boat, though it's our first
season with her. She's great in all kinds of air and quite comfortable
for our daysails and overnighters with our two year old son.
Down the road we planned to buy a more serious cruiser and of course I
recently got a heads up that a Baltic 43 was going to be set for
auction in Florida. The boat, already surveyed two months ago, is in
excellent shape. She's a 1987 and loaded with gear, sails and upgrades
added last year to the tune of 75K. Only..it was never paid for and now
the boat belongs, in part, to the yard run by a friend of mine. Long
story short: I can own the Baltic 43 for 145K, plus another 4K to ship
it here. That's a huge chunk off of what they typically sell for.
The problem....obviously a unique deal and obviously too much boat for
us at present. Do we jump on it for the deal. We WOULD sail her, she
just wouldn't get the kind of use a boat like that should. That's not
to say you can't daysail what you want, but a Baltic 43 is a true
bluewater yacht.
Some of our friends say "you don't buy the right boat at the wrong time
and good deals be damned." Others say, JUMP! I think the latter group
just wants to sail her!

I'd be interested in what YOU would do if presented with this
opportunity. Oh, and we are not really permitted to flip the boat. The
offer is for us to BUY and keep her for a while. My friend could easily
sell her for more without my help!

Thanks

Robert & Suzanne
35s5 Heart of Gold
NY

Baltic is not just any boat. Tha Baltic Yard is founded by some workers,
who were not satisfied with the quality and the concept of Swan. If you
can get a Baltic 43 with this sort of deal, you know that the work done
to the boat is done properly and the boat is in proper shape, I would
say, go for it. If you think you will keep on sailing, you will look for
a bigger boat that a "35" anyway, so why not take it now, when it is
awailable.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

A quick search in Yachtworld shows prices in the $225K range so you are
getting a good discount. I wouldn't worry too much about the boat being
bigger than necessary or more difficult to sail.
As you say, friends will be happy to help and with the extra room you could
easily take another couple along for longer cruises.
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...


So....here's the dilemma. My wife and I currently sail a Beneteau First
35s5 on the Long Island Sound. We love the boat, though it's our first
season with her. She's great in all kinds of air and quite comfortable
for our daysails and overnighters with our two year old son.
Down the road we planned to buy a more serious cruiser and of course I
recently got a heads up that a Baltic 43 was going to be set for
auction in Florida. The boat, already surveyed two months ago, is in
excellent shape. She's a 1987 and loaded with gear, sails and upgrades
added last year to the tune of 75K. Only..it was never paid for and now
the boat belongs, in part, to the yard run by a friend of mine. Long
story short: I can own the Baltic 43 for 145K, plus another 4K to ship
it here. That's a huge chunk off of what they typically sell for.
The problem....obviously a unique deal and obviously too much boat for
us at present. Do we jump on it for the deal. We WOULD sail her, she
just wouldn't get the kind of use a boat like that should. That's not
to say you can't daysail what you want, but a Baltic 43 is a true
bluewater yacht.
Some of our friends say "you don't buy the right boat at the wrong time
and good deals be damned." Others say, JUMP! I think the latter group
just wants to sail her!

I'd be interested in what YOU would do if presented with this
opportunity. Oh, and we are not really permitted to flip the boat. The
offer is for us to BUY and keep her for a while. My friend could easily
sell her for more without my help!



Thanks

Robert & Suzanne
35s5 Heart of Gold
NY

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

If you can afford it I'd buy it and sail it whenever and whereever you want
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...


So....here's the dilemma. My wife and I currently sail a Beneteau First
35s5 on the Long Island Sound. We love the boat, though it's our first
season with her. She's great in all kinds of air and quite comfortable
for our daysails and overnighters with our two year old son.
Down the road we planned to buy a more serious cruiser and of course I
recently got a heads up that a Baltic 43 was going to be set for
auction in Florida. The boat, already surveyed two months ago, is in
excellent shape. She's a 1987 and loaded with gear, sails and upgrades
added last year to the tune of 75K. Only..it was never paid for and now
the boat belongs, in part, to the yard run by a friend of mine. Long
story short: I can own the Baltic 43 for 145K, plus another 4K to ship
it here. That's a huge chunk off of what they typically sell for.
The problem....obviously a unique deal and obviously too much boat for
us at present. Do we jump on it for the deal. We WOULD sail her, she
just wouldn't get the kind of use a boat like that should. That's not
to say you can't daysail what you want, but a Baltic 43 is a true
bluewater yacht.
Some of our friends say "you don't buy the right boat at the wrong time
and good deals be damned." Others say, JUMP! I think the latter group
just wants to sail her!

I'd be interested in what YOU would do if presented with this
opportunity. Oh, and we are not really permitted to flip the boat. The
offer is for us to BUY and keep her for a while. My friend could easily
sell her for more without my help!



Thanks

Robert & Suzanne
35s5 Heart of Gold
NY

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:55:56 -0800, Capt. Rob wrote:



So....here's the dilemma. My wife and I currently sail a Beneteau First
35s5 on the Long Island Sound. We love the boat, though it's our first
season with her. She's great in all kinds of air and quite comfortable
for our daysails and overnighters with our two year old son.
Down the road we planned to buy a more serious cruiser and of course I
recently got a heads up that a Baltic 43 was going to be set for
auction in Florida. The boat, already surveyed two months ago, is in
excellent shape. She's a 1987 and loaded with gear, sails and upgrades
added last year to the tune of 75K. Only..it was never paid for and now
the boat belongs, in part, to the yard run by a friend of mine. Long
story short: I can own the Baltic 43 for 145K, plus another 4K to ship
it here. That's a huge chunk off of what they typically sell for.
The problem....obviously a unique deal and obviously too much boat for
us at present. Do we jump on it for the deal. We WOULD sail her, she
just wouldn't get the kind of use a boat like that should. That's not
to say you can't daysail what you want, but a Baltic 43 is a true
bluewater yacht.
Some of our friends say "you don't buy the right boat at the wrong time
and good deals be damned." Others say, JUMP! I think the latter group
just wants to sail her!

I'd be interested in what YOU would do if presented with this
opportunity. Oh, and we are not really permitted to flip the boat. The
offer is for us to BUY and keep her for a while. My friend could easily
sell her for more without my help!

Well as someone noted it's a huge discount. So if you like the boat and
you really want it, then go for it if you can afford it, but get a good
survey done first.

If you have so many friends who want to sail her, then you shouldn't have
trouble finding crew for daysailing, if the boat is too big to handle by
yourselves.

If it does prove too much boat, you can still sell it at a profit, and say
you really tried to handle it (which would be true).

Matt O.

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

On 31 Oct 2006 09:55:56 -0800, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

Some of our friends say "you don't buy the right boat at the wrong time
and good deals be damned." Others say, JUMP! I think the latter group
just wants to sail her!

I'd be interested in what YOU would do if presented with this
opportunity. Oh, and we are not really permitted to flip the boat. The
offer is for us to BUY and keep her for a while. My friend could easily
sell her for more without my help!

If you care about the money, you can try to quantify things. Figure
out how long till you'll be "ready" for a boat like that. Figure out
how much more it will cost you to own the Baltic than your old boat
for that length of time. Include slip fees, maintenance,
depreciation, etc, as well as a round number to refit the Baltic to
the same condition it is in now at the end of that time. Figure out
how much that money could reasonably earn if invested over that period
of time. Compare that number to the estimated cost of buying the same
boat at the end of the period. That gives an estimate of what it
really will cost you to make your move now.

Then go ahead and do whatever you want to do and your wife will let
you do! :-)
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Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

A 43 is a lot of boat for two people with young children whereas 35 is
just about right.

I think I'd pass.

======================

On 31 Oct 2006 09:55:56 -0800, "Capt. Rob" wrote:



So....here's the dilemma. My wife and I currently sail a Beneteau First
35s5 on the Long Island Sound. We love the boat, though it's our first
season with her. She's great in all kinds of air and quite comfortable
for our daysails and overnighters with our two year old son.
Down the road we planned to buy a more serious cruiser and of course I
recently got a heads up that a Baltic 43 was going to be set for
auction in Florida. The boat, already surveyed two months ago, is in
excellent shape. She's a 1987 and loaded with gear, sails and upgrades
added last year to the tune of 75K. Only..it was never paid for and now
the boat belongs, in part, to the yard run by a friend of mine. Long
story short: I can own the Baltic 43 for 145K, plus another 4K to ship
it here. That's a huge chunk off of what they typically sell for.
The problem....obviously a unique deal and obviously too much boat for
us at present. Do we jump on it for the deal. We WOULD sail her, she
just wouldn't get the kind of use a boat like that should. That's not
to say you can't daysail what you want, but a Baltic 43 is a true
bluewater yacht.
Some of our friends say "you don't buy the right boat at the wrong time
and good deals be damned." Others say, JUMP! I think the latter group
just wants to sail her!

I'd be interested in what YOU would do if presented with this
opportunity. Oh, and we are not really permitted to flip the boat. The
offer is for us to BUY and keep her for a while. My friend could easily
sell her for more without my help!



Thanks

Robert & Suzanne
35s5 Heart of Gold
NY

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

Charlie Morgan wrote:
On 31 Oct 2006 09:55:56 -0800, "Capt. Rob" wrote:



So....here's the dilemma. My wife and I currently sail a Beneteau First
35s5 on the Long Island Sound. We love the boat, though it's our first
season with her. She's great in all kinds of air and quite comfortable
for our daysails and overnighters with our two year old son.
Down the road we planned to buy a more serious cruiser and of course I
recently got a heads up that a Baltic 43 was going to be set for
auction in Florida. The boat, already surveyed two months ago, is in
excellent shape. She's a 1987 and loaded with gear, sails and upgrades
added last year to the tune of 75K. Only..it was never paid for and now
the boat belongs, in part, to the yard run by a friend of mine. Long
story short: I can own the Baltic 43 for 145K, plus another 4K to ship
it here. That's a huge chunk off of what they typically sell for.
The problem....obviously a unique deal and obviously too much boat for
us at present. Do we jump on it for the deal. We WOULD sail her, she
just wouldn't get the kind of use a boat like that should. That's not
to say you can't daysail what you want, but a Baltic 43 is a true
bluewater yacht.
Some of our friends say "you don't buy the right boat at the wrong time
and good deals be damned." Others say, JUMP! I think the latter group
just wants to sail her!

I'd be interested in what YOU would do if presented with this
opportunity. Oh, and we are not really permitted to flip the boat. The
offer is for us to BUY and keep her for a while. My friend could easily
sell her for more without my help!



Thanks

Robert & Suzanne
35s5 Heart of Gold
NY


This boat would be a HUGE mistake for you Rob. It draws over 8 feet! That is a
major drawback in your home waters. M-A-J-O-R. Unless you plan to cut your ties
to land, and head out for the Med almost immediately, with no plans to return,
this is about as wrong as you could go. It won't work well for the Carribean,
either. ICW? Bwhahahahahaha!

Really... forget it. It would kill sailing for you.

CWM
Charlie,
Just where in the Caribbean couldn't you take an 8 foot draft boot other
than some areas around Belize? The shore of most islands in the leewards
and windwards have a steep dropoff.
krj

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:24:51 -0500, krj wrote:


Charlie Morgan wrote:

On 31 Oct 2006 09:55:56 -0800, "Capt. Rob" wrote:



So....here's the dilemma. My wife and I currently sail a Beneteau First
35s5 on the Long Island Sound. We love the boat, though it's our first
season with her. She's great in all kinds of air and quite comfortable
for our daysails and overnighters with our two year old son.
Down the road we planned to buy a more serious cruiser and of course I
recently got a heads up that a Baltic 43 was going to be set for
auction in Florida. The boat, already surveyed two months ago, is in
excellent shape. She's a 1987 and loaded with gear, sails and upgrades
added last year to the tune of 75K. Only..it was never paid for and now
the boat belongs, in part, to the yard run by a friend of mine. Long
story short: I can own the Baltic 43 for 145K, plus another 4K to ship
it here. That's a huge chunk off of what they typically sell for.
The problem....obviously a unique deal and obviously too much boat for
us at present. Do we jump on it for the deal. We WOULD sail her, she
just wouldn't get the kind of use a boat like that should. That's not
to say you can't daysail what you want, but a Baltic 43 is a true
bluewater yacht.
Some of our friends say "you don't buy the right boat at the wrong time
and good deals be damned." Others say, JUMP! I think the latter group
just wants to sail her!

I'd be interested in what YOU would do if presented with this
opportunity. Oh, and we are not really permitted to flip the boat. The
offer is for us to BUY and keep her for a while. My friend could easily
sell her for more without my help!



Thanks

Robert & Suzanne
35s5 Heart of Gold
NY


This boat would be a HUGE mistake for you Rob. It draws over 8 feet! That is a
major drawback in your home waters. M-A-J-O-R. Unless you plan to cut your ties
to land, and head out for the Med almost immediately, with no plans to return,
this is about as wrong as you could go. It won't work well for the Carribean,
either. ICW? Bwhahahahahaha!

Really... forget it. It would kill sailing for you.

CWM

Charlie,
Just where in the Caribbean couldn't you take an 8 foot draft boot other
than some areas around Belize? The shore of most islands in the leewards
and windwards have a steep dropoff.
krj


That must be why boats with less than 5 foot draft are so popular...

CWM
Boats with 5' draft are popular in the Florida Keys and the Bahamas but
that's not in the Caribbean. Most boats I've sailed in the Caribbean
had 5.5-6' draft
krj

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

"krj" wrote in message
. ..
Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:24:51 -0500, krj wrote:


Charlie Morgan wrote:

On 31 Oct 2006 09:55:56 -0800, "Capt. Rob" wrote:



So....here's the dilemma. My wife and I currently sail a Beneteau First
35s5 on the Long Island Sound. We love the boat, though it's our first
season with her. She's great in all kinds of air and quite comfortable
for our daysails and overnighters with our two year old son.
Down the road we planned to buy a more serious cruiser and of course I
recently got a heads up that a Baltic 43 was going to be set for
auction in Florida. The boat, already surveyed two months ago, is in
excellent shape. She's a 1987 and loaded with gear, sails and upgrades
added last year to the tune of 75K. Only..it was never paid for and now
the boat belongs, in part, to the yard run by a friend of mine. Long
story short: I can own the Baltic 43 for 145K, plus another 4K to ship
it here. That's a huge chunk off of what they typically sell for.
The problem....obviously a unique deal and obviously too much boat for
us at present. Do we jump on it for the deal. We WOULD sail her, she
just wouldn't get the kind of use a boat like that should. That's not
to say you can't daysail what you want, but a Baltic 43 is a true
bluewater yacht.
Some of our friends say "you don't buy the right boat at the wrong time
and good deals be damned." Others say, JUMP! I think the latter group
just wants to sail her!

I'd be interested in what YOU would do if presented with this
opportunity. Oh, and we are not really permitted to flip the boat. The
offer is for us to BUY and keep her for a while. My friend could easily
sell her for more without my help!



Thanks

Robert & Suzanne
35s5 Heart of Gold
NY


This boat would be a HUGE mistake for you Rob. It draws over 8 feet!
That is a
major drawback in your home waters. M-A-J-O-R. Unless you plan to cut
your ties
to land, and head out for the Med almost immediately, with no plans to
return,
this is about as wrong as you could go. It won't work well for the
Carribean,
either. ICW? Bwhahahahahaha!

Really... forget it. It would kill sailing for you.
CWM

Charlie,
Just where in the Caribbean couldn't you take an 8 foot draft boot other
than some areas around Belize? The shore of most islands in the leewards
and windwards have a steep dropoff.
krj


That must be why boats with less than 5 foot draft are so popular...

CWM
Boats with 5' draft are popular in the Florida Keys and the Bahamas but
that's not in the Caribbean. Most boats I've sailed in the Caribbean had
5.5-6' draft
krj

Depends on where in the Carib... inside the reef in Belize, shallower is
betterer.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:17:48 -0500, Charlie Morgan wrote:

This boat would be a HUGE mistake for you Rob. It draws over 8 feet! That is a
major drawback in your home waters. M-A-J-O-R.

Not that big a problem in Long Island Sound or New England, lots of
deep water ports available. South Florida, Chesapeake Bay, ICW or
Bahamas however, fuhgedabodtit.

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

From what I gather you have a two-year-old son and you have your own
sailboat. I assumed that you are presently raising a family and working full
time. Would that give you enough time to use a 43-foot bluewater yacht
with an 8-foot draft. To only use such a bluewater yacht on week ends and
may be two weeks a year could be a waste of time and money. At this time the
market appears to be a little slow. The other thing is how fast can you sell
you present sailboat and how much can you end up getting for it. To buy a
sailboat (not to mention the 8 foot draft and hidden wear and tear) at a low
cost with the intent of selling it with a profit is, at this time, a little
far stretched.



"krj" wrote in message
. ..
Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:24:51 -0500, krj wrote:


Charlie Morgan wrote:

On 31 Oct 2006 09:55:56 -0800, "Capt. Rob" wrote:



So....here's the dilemma. My wife and I currently sail a Beneteau First
35s5 on the Long Island Sound. We love the boat, though it's our first
season with her. She's great in all kinds of air and quite comfortable
for our daysails and overnighters with our two year old son.
Down the road we planned to buy a more serious cruiser and of course I
recently got a heads up that a Baltic 43 was going to be set for
auction in Florida. The boat, already surveyed two months ago, is in
excellent shape. She's a 1987 and loaded with gear, sails and upgrades
added last year to the tune of 75K. Only..it was never paid for and now
the boat belongs, in part, to the yard run by a friend of mine. Long
story short: I can own the Baltic 43 for 145K, plus another 4K to ship
it here. That's a huge chunk off of what they typically sell for.
The problem....obviously a unique deal and obviously too much boat for
us at present. Do we jump on it for the deal. We WOULD sail her, she
just wouldn't get the kind of use a boat like that should. That's not
to say you can't daysail what you want, but a Baltic 43 is a true
bluewater yacht.
Some of our friends say "you don't buy the right boat at the wrong time
and good deals be damned." Others say, JUMP! I think the latter group
just wants to sail her!

I'd be interested in what YOU would do if presented with this
opportunity. Oh, and we are not really permitted to flip the boat. The
offer is for us to BUY and keep her for a while. My friend could easily
sell her for more without my help!



Thanks

Robert & Suzanne
35s5 Heart of Gold
NY


This boat would be a HUGE mistake for you Rob. It draws over 8 feet!
That is a
major drawback in your home waters. M-A-J-O-R. Unless you plan to cut
your ties
to land, and head out for the Med almost immediately, with no plans to
return,
this is about as wrong as you could go. It won't work well for the
Carribean,
either. ICW? Bwhahahahahaha!

Really... forget it. It would kill sailing for you.
CWM

Charlie,
Just where in the Caribbean couldn't you take an 8 foot draft boot other
than some areas around Belize? The shore of most islands in the leewards
and windwards have a steep dropoff.
krj


That must be why boats with less than 5 foot draft are so popular...

CWM
Boats with 5' draft are popular in the Florida Keys and the Bahamas but
that's not in the Caribbean. Most boats I've sailed in the Caribbean had
5.5-6' draft
krj

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

Thanks for the great replies. Draft IS AN ISSUE and somehow I was under
the impression that the B43 was 7.1 and not 8 feet. We chose our
current boat over a C&C 34XL in part because the 35s5 had pretty good
performance and a wing drawing slightly less than 5 feet.
We discussed it over dinner and agreed that a good deal isn't always a
good idea. Of course some of my friends will be ****ed off, but we
already have a sweet little 35 footer and went through considerable
trouble to locate such a clean example. We decided not to complicate
things. Still, if our son was 4 instead of 2 and we weren't buying a
house next summer....I'd probably have a harder time being so practical
about it.

This is our current boat...which we'll be keeping for a while!
http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/index.html

and a video clip of her sailing (with her old mylar sails-We have
Kevlar now)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=d0nSgsgOApg

Thanks again,


Robert & Suzanne
35s5 "Heart of Gold"
NY

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

BWaHaHAha hahahahaha hahahah

What a STUPID T R O L L !!!!



"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...


So....here's the dilemma. My wife and I currently sail a
Beneteau First
35s5 on the Long Island Sound. We love the boat, though
it's our first
season with her. She's great in all kinds of air and quite
comfortable
for our daysails and overnighters with our two year old
son.
Down the road we planned to buy a more serious cruiser and
of course I
recently got a heads up that a Baltic 43 was going to be
set for
auction in Florida. The boat, already surveyed two months
ago, is in
excellent shape. She's a 1987 and loaded with gear, sails
and upgrades
added last year to the tune of 75K. Only..it was never
paid for and now
the boat belongs, in part, to the yard run by a friend of
mine. Long
story short: I can own the Baltic 43 for 145K, plus
another 4K to ship
it here. That's a huge chunk off of what they typically
sell for.
The problem....obviously a unique deal and obviously too
much boat for
us at present. Do we jump on it for the deal. We WOULD
sail her, she
just wouldn't get the kind of use a boat like that should.
That's not
to say you can't daysail what you want, but a Baltic 43 is
a true
bluewater yacht.
Some of our friends say "you don't buy the right boat at
the wrong time
and good deals be damned." Others say, JUMP! I think the
latter group
just wants to sail her!

I'd be interested in what YOU would do if presented with
this
opportunity. Oh, and we are not really permitted to flip
the boat. The
offer is for us to BUY and keep her for a while. My friend
could easily
sell her for more without my help!



Thanks

Robert & Suzanne
35s5 Heart of Gold
NY

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...

. Unless you plan to cut your ties
to land, and head out for the Med almost immediately,

That's the funniest thing you ever posted, BB.

SV

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

Yeah! A Baltic 43 daysailor ! go for it ''CAPT''.




"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...


Thanks for the great replies. Draft IS AN ISSUE and
somehow I was under
the impression that the B43 was 7.1 and not 8 feet. We
chose our
current boat over a C&C 34XL in part because the 35s5 had
pretty good
performance and a wing drawing slightly less than 5 feet.
We discussed it over dinner and agreed that a good deal
isn't always a
good idea. Of course some of my friends will be ****ed
off, but we
already have a sweet little 35 footer and went through
considerable
trouble to locate such a clean example. We decided not to
complicate
things. Still, if our son was 4 instead of 2 and we
weren't buying a
house next summer....I'd probably have a harder time being
so practical
about it.

This is our current boat...which we'll be keeping for a
while!
http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/index.html

and a video clip of her sailing (with her old mylar
sails-We have
Kevlar now)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=d0nSgsgOApg

Thanks again,


Robert & Suzanne
35s5 "Heart of Gold"
NY

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

Thanks for the orders, queries and mention of me, folks.
To the fellow who was interested in the Furlex, I accidentally deleted
your e-mail, but please contact me at . The short
answer to the question is about 15% less, but again it depends on what
else you order.


Robert
35s5
NY

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

Big problem in LIS if you want to actually go anywhere. MANY (if not
MOST) of
the nicest places to visit are 8 feet at MLW. Anything much over 5-6
foot
draft, and you are fairly severely limited.



This was a primary reason for us walking away from the C&C 34XL, though
I did not walk away easily.
I wish I could broker that Baltic here in NY. Gorgeous boat. Ah
well...I already flew to Florida enough to buy the 35s5....and boy are
my arms tired.



Robert
35s5
NY

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

So....here's the dilemma.

=====================

Your dilemma is that you have way too much money. You own a boat, you use
it on weekends, and an occasional overnight.

And now you want a bigger boat! Yet, you have only owned the "Bene-thing"
for one season!

Go AWAY.... PLEASE.

================================================== ===================================
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...


So....here's the dilemma. My wife and I currently sail a Beneteau First
35s5 on the Long Island Sound. We love the boat, though it's our first
season with her. She's great in all kinds of air and quite comfortable
for our daysails and overnighters with our two year old son.
Down the road we planned to buy a more serious cruiser and of course I
recently got a heads up that a Baltic 43 was going to be set for
auction in Florida. The boat, already surveyed two months ago, is in
excellent shape. She's a 1987 and loaded with gear, sails and upgrades
added last year to the tune of 75K. Only..it was never paid for and now
the boat belongs, in part, to the yard run by a friend of mine. Long
story short: I can own the Baltic 43 for 145K, plus another 4K to ship
it here. That's a huge chunk off of what they typically sell for.
The problem....obviously a unique deal and obviously too much boat for
us at present. Do we jump on it for the deal. We WOULD sail her, she
just wouldn't get the kind of use a boat like that should. That's not
to say you can't daysail what you want, but a Baltic 43 is a true
bluewater yacht.
Some of our friends say "you don't buy the right boat at the wrong time
and good deals be damned." Others say, JUMP! I think the latter group
just wants to sail her!

I'd be interested in what YOU would do if presented with this
opportunity. Oh, and we are not really permitted to flip the boat. The
offer is for us to BUY and keep her for a while. My friend could easily
sell her for more without my help!



Thanks

Robert & Suzanne
35s5 Heart of Gold
NY

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:q_12h.4037$B44.2344@trndny07...
So....here's the dilemma.

=====================

Your dilemma is that you have way too much money. You own a boat, you use
it on weekends, and an occasional overnight.

And now you want a bigger boat! Yet, you have only owned the "Bene-thing"
for one season!

Go AWAY.... PLEASE.

================================================== ===================================

What do you care how much money he has? Does it make you any poorer? Would
breaking his leg make you walk better? Sheesh.

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 06:58:25 -0500, Charlie Morgan wrote:

Big problem in LIS if you want to actually go anywhere. MANY (if not MOST) of
the nicest places to visit are 8 feet at MLW. Anything much over 5-6 foot
draft, and you are fairly severely limited.

There are a *lot* of people on Long Island Sound with deep draft 40
and 50 foot sailboats and you don't see them running aground that
often.

Here in south Florida I carry spare props on my 24 ft I/O that draws 3
feet. In the Bahamas we wait for a rising tide to enter most harbors
with a trawler that draws close to 5 1/2 ft.

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

What do you care how much money he has? Does it make you any poorer?
Would
breaking his leg make you walk better? Sheesh.



Don't sweat it, Mike. These are trolls from ASA where I was quite the
offender myself. All done with that, but they seem to need me, so
they've followed me. I'll just ignore them as should everyone.
My last few days of sailing this season are here.....sad times. On the
other hand I'm getting the teak finally done in the cockpit and a host
of other small upgrades such as a new asym. chute and lazy jacks.


Cheers,


Robert
35s5
NY

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:15:21 -0500, Charlie Morgan wrote:

40 and 50 foot deep draft boats in LIS are a VERY tiny number, and you
don't see them enjoying wonderful places like Coecles Harbor, Zieglers
Cove, Southport, Milford, Cedar Island, Sterling Harbor, or hundreds
of other great spots, either. They simply can't go, and many of the
places they can go at all, they have to anchor very far out. Heck,
most of Sag Harbor is less than 8 feet deep.

I spent many years racing 40 and 50 ft boats on LIS and we always had
plenty of company. There are close to 100 in Stamford alone, and a
bunch more in Greenwich, Norwalk, Rye, Huntington and Manhasset.

Stirling, Coecles and Sag Harbor are in Gardiners Bay last time I
looked, not Long Island Sound.

My chart for Zieglers Cove shows 8 ft at MLW. Bill Ziegler docked his
fairly large racing boat, Gem, there for many years. (Chart # 12368_1)

Southport has a controling depth of 9 ft at MLW. (Chart # 12369_1)

Milford inner harbor is 5 ft but the outer harbor is 9ft. (Chart #
12354_1)

Cedar Island (Clinton) has 7 1/2 to 8 at MLW. (Chart 12374_1)

And of course this ignores the other 20 or 30 fine harbors on Long
Island Sound, most of which have depths of 12 ft or more.

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

I said it would be SEVERELY LIMITED, and it is.


Wayne, this is correct. Anything over 6 feet certainly limits one on
the LIS....I've never met anyone who said otherwise. Yes, there are
deeper drafts on the LIS with no problem....like the 34XL I mentioned,
but he only races.


Robert
35s5
NY

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

Capt. Rob wrote:

So....here's the dilemma.

Sounds much too good to be true. While you're at it, why not buy a new
Benz for $5k.

-paul

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 17:30:28 -0500, Charlie Morgan wrote:

So far, you have been wrong about every harbor you have cited. I'll take that as
an indicator of the veracity of this statement.

I have not said that there are places where you could take a boat that draws 8
feet. I said it would be SEVERELY LIMITED, and it is.

Well Charlie, all of my charts are freshly downloaded from NOAA within
the last year. I'd be glad to send you some screen prints if you'd
like. I spent all of last summer cruisng LIS and points east with the
very same charts. No problems with depth - anywhere.

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

On 1 Nov 2006 15:10:26 -0800, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

Anything over 6 feet certainly limits one on
the LIS..

I would agree that it limits you from doing serious gunk holing, but
in terms of being able to get in and out of major harbors and finding
a place to anchor or dock - there really isn't a big issue.

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

Sounds much too good to be true. While you're at it, why not buy a new
Benz for $5k.


It wasn't. But it was also an inside favor. I've had good luck with
such deals in the past. A few years ago I snared a loaded C&C 32 for
15K. Doubled our money on that after sailing it for two years. We
passed on the C&C 34XL, but that boat could have been ours for 35K
below market value. We also did really well on the Beneteau 35s5 we
have, which will make money when we sell. Quite recently a fellow at my
yard bought a nearly mint Catalina 34 for 20K at a police auction. She
was a mid 90's model that had sat hidden away. All he had to do was
ship her from Arizona!
The deals are out there. They often come when you're way too busy, too
poor or too old to do anything about them.


Robert
35s5
NY

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

Well Charlie, all of my charts are freshly downloaded from NOAA within
the last year.

Gentlemen, let's agree that there is some different perspective on what
"severe draft limitations" really are. It really depends on what you're
doing with the boat. For some, an 8 foot draft is workable on the LIS.
Others, obviously a majority, agree that less than 6' is better. Some
might say you need less than 4! It's really dependent on how the boat
will be used.
Okay...?


Robert
35s5
NY

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

Capt. Rob wrote:

Don't sweat it, Mike. These are trolls from ASA where I was quite the
offender myself.

Yes, you are the supreme offender. Why aren't you at ASA anymore? Got
booted because of conflicts with ASA and some boat yards? Or was it
because of your attacks on others sexual orientation? Or your
potentially libellous postings? Which one? Or all of them?

Warning to all: this guy is full of it up to his ears. He will be
trolling you all with incredible stories and deals. He'll run a
commercial business on this newsgroup.

Don't believe me? Stroll over to alt.sailing.asa and search
" and see what just floated in to your newsgroup. He
has almost 30,000 posts to ASA most of them taunting others about their
boats, families and livelihoods.

Make this guy feel welcome here and you'll regret it. Seriously.

Don't say you weren't warned!

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

I'm already regretting the childish behavior in this newsgroup
"Pup Socket" wrote in message
ups.com...

Capt. Rob wrote:

Don't sweat it, Mike. These are trolls from ASA where I was quite the
offender myself.

Yes, you are the supreme offender. Why aren't you at ASA anymore? Got
booted because of conflicts with ASA and some boat yards? Or was it
because of your attacks on others sexual orientation? Or your
potentially libellous postings? Which one? Or all of them?

Warning to all: this guy is full of it up to his ears. He will be
trolling you all with incredible stories and deals. He'll run a
commercial business on this newsgroup.

Don't believe me? Stroll over to alt.sailing.asa and search
" and see what just floated in to your newsgroup. He
has almost 30,000 posts to ASA most of them taunting others about their
boats, families and livelihoods.

Make this guy feel welcome here and you'll regret it. Seriously.

Don't say you weren't warned!

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 11:48:55 -0500, Charlie Morgan wrote:

Wayne has a powerboat that draws 3 feet.

That is true, and I have another one that draws considerably more.

In addition, I've cruised and raced Long Island Sound since the early
70s on sailboats with draft ranging from 4 ft to 9 ft. None of this
proves anything of course, but the water hasn't changed that much over
the years and there are plenty of deep draft boats running around the
area without hitting things.

I'd agree that on a boat used only for cruising I'd prefer something
less than 8 ft of draft. If you want a larger high performance boat
however, deep draft comes with the territory, and it doesn't mean you
can't cruise LIS with it. I have a problem with people saying that
something is impossible as a knee jerk reaction.

I actually think the bigger issue is overall size and having a young
child in the family. From personal experience, you need a boat that
you can single hand if need be. A mother's first priority will always
be to take care of the child first, as well it should be. There are
not a lot of potential crew out there who want to spend the day with
someone elses 2 year old, and a 43 is a lot of boat to handle by
yourself when under sail.

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:29:20 GMT, "Chi Chi"
wrote:

I'm already regretting the childish behavior in this newsgroup

It usually goes away after awhile.

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

On 2 Nov 2006 08:51:09 -0800, "Pup Socket"
wrote:
Yes, you are the supreme offender. Why aren't you at ASA anymore? Got
booted because of conflicts with ASA and some boat yards? Or was it
because of your attacks on others sexual orientation? Or your
potentially libellous postings? Which one? Or all of them?

Warning to all: this guy is full of it up to his ears. He will be
trolling you all with incredible stories and deals. He'll run a
commercial business on this newsgroup.

Don't believe me? Stroll over to alt.sailing.asa and search
" and see what just floated in to your newsgroup. He
has almost 30,000 posts to ASA most of them taunting others about their
boats, families and livelihoods.

Make this guy feel welcome here and you'll regret it. Seriously.

Don't say you weren't warned!

Why don't YOU give it a break?
Mr. Sprit posts on several groups I read and has always posted within
a groups concensus of behavior.
Mr. Sprit has stated numerous times he posts on ASA to troll and have
fun. Most of the ASA group understands that and has a good time
playing.
You're a hothead bringing your squabble here.
Mark E. Williams

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:32:24 -0500, Charlie Morgan wrote:

And your statement saying that these places are probably not changed that much
from how they were in the 70's makes me wonder if you have ever been on a boat
at all. You sure flunked chart reading earlier.

Charlie, I think it's about time to take your attitude somewhere else
and go argue with yourself.

The charts speak for themselves.

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

These news groups need an ignore feature so we don't have to put up with all
this immature bull**** bickering! You all need to grow the f%ck up and quit
acting like children if You can't do that then don't post anything.
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:32:24 -0500, Charlie Morgan wrote:

And your statement saying that these places are probably not changed that
much
from how they were in the 70's makes me wonder if you have ever been on a
boat
at all. You sure flunked chart reading earlier.

Charlie, I think it's about time to take your attitude somewhere else
and go argue with yourself.

The charts speak for themselves.

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

You Sir need to stop thinking You are god's gift to sailing or boating and
have some consideration for the rest of Us and quit being an immature
argumentative asshole!
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 04:32:31 GMT, "Chi Chi"
wrote:

These news groups need an ignore feature so we don't have to put up with
all
this immature bull**** bickering! You all need to grow the f%ck up and
quit
acting like children if You can't do that then don't post anything.

You need to stop whining about what everybody else does and get a life. If
you
don't like the posts, either silently ignor them or ask for your money
back.
Your sniveling adds nothing.

CWM

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On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:41:00 GMT, in message

"Chi Chi" wrote:

You Sir need to stop thinking You are god's gift to sailing or boating and
have some consideration for the rest of Us and quit being an immature
argumentative asshole!

You need to get a proper newsreader and make use of its filters to
killfile people you don't want to listen to. It's good for the blood
pressure.

Ryk

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

Since when is bull**** the topic of this newsgroup? That's all you spout out
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:41:00 GMT, "Chi Chi"
wrote:

You Sir need to stop thinking You are god's gift to sailing or boating and
have some consideration for the rest of Us and quit being an immature
argumentative asshole!

My posts, unlike yours, are ON TOPIC. Get lost crybaby. Really. Either
post about sailing, or STFU.

CWM

Baltic 43...a mistake????
 

"Maynard G. Krebbs" wrote in message
...
On 2 Nov 2006 08:51:09 -0800, "Pup Socket"
wrote:
Yes, you are the supreme offender. Why aren't you at ASA anymore? Got
booted because of conflicts with ASA and some boat yards? Or was it
because of your attacks on others sexual orientation? Or your
potentially libellous postings? Which one? Or all of them?

Warning to all: this guy is full of it up to his ears. He will be
trolling you all with incredible stories and deals. He'll run a
commercial business on this newsgroup.

Don't believe me? Stroll over to alt.sailing.asa and search
" and see what just floated in to your newsgroup. He
has almost 30,000 posts to ASA most of them taunting others about their
boats, families and livelihoods.

Make this guy feel welcome here and you'll regret it. Seriously.

Don't say you weren't warned!

Why don't YOU give it a break?
Mr. Sprit posts on several groups I read and has always posted within
a groups concensus of behavior.
Mr. Sprit has stated numerous times he posts on ASA to troll and have
fun. Most of the ASA group understands that and has a good time
playing.
You're a hothead bringing your squabble here.
Mark E. Williams

You're joking right?

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