So I'm going to a roller furler jib for cruising. What size would be
best?
120, 135,150, etc!
Gordon

"Gordon" wrote in message
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So I'm going to a roller furler jib for cruising. What size would be
best?
120, 135,150, etc!
Gordon

Depends on where you sail and where you're going I'd imagine.

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www.sailnow.com

Gordon wrote:
So I'm going to a roller furler jib for cruising. What size would be
best?
120, 135,150, etc!
Gordon

It depends on your cruising area, and the times of year you sail.

I'd say the default answer is a 135 but for Chesapeake Bay or LI Sound
in summer cruising, a 150. For San Francisco Bay, 115 or 120...

For offshore cruising, I'd lean towards 135 but without knowing more
about your boat or plans, nobody can offer much advice

Evan Gatehouse

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 22:14:35 -0800, in message

Evan Gatehouse2 wrote:

Gordon wrote:
So I'm going to a roller furler jib for cruising. What size would be
best?
120, 135,150, etc!
Gordon

It depends on your cruising area, and the times of year you sail.

I'd say the default answer is a 135 but for Chesapeake Bay or LI Sound
in summer cruising, a 150. For San Francisco Bay, 115 or 120...

For offshore cruising, I'd lean towards 135 but without knowing more
about your boat or plans, nobody can offer much advice

Since the numbers are calculated as LP/J*100, it also depends a lot on
the rig design, ranging from small foretriangle fractional rigs to
older masthead boats with a huge J dimension and a short boom. A 135
is a small sail on the former and a great big sail on the latter. My
boat fits into the latter category and I would probably choose about
110 for cruising comfort and ease of tacking, then hoist a spinnaker
off the wind if it isn't blowing.

Go see your sailmaker for advice based on local conditions, type of
boat, and the kind of sailing you want to do. It's usually free...

Ryk

Gordon wrote:

So I'm going to a roller furler jib for cruising.

A good choice I think, assuming you can afford a good one
and proper installation.

... What size would be best?
120, 135,150, etc!
Gordon

What size(s) do you normally carry?


Evan Gatehouse2 wrote:
It depends on your cruising area, and the times of year you sail.

I'd say the default answer is a 135 but for Chesapeake Bay or LI Sound
in summer cruising, a 150. For San Francisco Bay, 115 or 120...

For offshore cruising, I'd lean towards 135 but without knowing more
about your boat or plans, nobody can offer much advice


Right on... I like Phil Bolger's discussion along the same
lines, wherein he's asked how big a headsail some boat
should have, and he then asks how hard the wind is going to
blow.


Ryk wrote:
Since the numbers are calculated as LP/J*100, it also depends a lot on
the rig design, ranging from small foretriangle fractional rigs to
older masthead boats with a huge J dimension and a short boom. A 135
is a small sail on the former and a great big sail on the latter.

Good point. The Yankee 30 is a masthead, with large but not
extreme J dimension. I'd lean toward a larger genoa for
normal sailing and a staysail for the heavy days.


My
boat fits into the latter category and I would probably choose about
110 for cruising comfort and ease of tacking, then hoist a spinnaker
off the wind if it isn't blowing.

Go see your sailmaker for advice based on local conditions, type of
boat, and the kind of sailing you want to do. It's usually free...


A good sail inventory is a basic necessity, and I don't mean
large numbers of blown-out racing sails. It's amazing to me
how many people are cruising with crap sails. But then,
diesel fuel is still relatively cheap....

A cruising spinnaker, a 120 or 135 (depending on where & how
most sailing is to be done, I might even go to a 145 but
then I like to go fast) on a roller, and a staysail, would
be a good set-up.

Fresh BReezes- Doug King

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 09:16:07 -0500, in message

DSK wrote:

Ryk wrote:
Since the numbers are calculated as LP/J*100, it also depends a lot on
the rig design, ranging from small foretriangle fractional rigs to
older masthead boats with a huge J dimension and a short boom. A 135
is a small sail on the former and a great big sail on the latter.

Good point. The Yankee 30 is a masthead, with large but not
extreme J dimension. I'd lean toward a larger genoa for
normal sailing and a staysail for the heavy days.


My
boat fits into the latter category and I would probably choose about
110 for cruising comfort and ease of tacking, then hoist a spinnaker
off the wind if it isn't blowing.

Go see your sailmaker for advice based on local conditions, type of
boat, and the kind of sailing you want to do. It's usually free...


A good sail inventory is a basic necessity, and I don't mean
large numbers of blown-out racing sails. It's amazing to me
how many people are cruising with crap sails. But then,
diesel fuel is still relatively cheap....

Depends on the local racing fleet... Non-competitive racing sails may
still have years of performance cruising capacity left in them. Still,
I agree that cruising with bad sails is not fun for me.

A cruising spinnaker, a 120 or 135 (depending on where & how
most sailing is to be done, I might even go to a 145 but
then I like to go fast) on a roller, and a staysail, would
be a good set-up.

I carry a good inventory, but sail changes tend not to happen a lot
when cruising, and then not until far after they should. Unrolling a
big genoa and getting it down on the deck can be nasty work if left
too late while the wind is rising. Most cruisers around here seem to
hoist sail at the start of the season and leave it on the furler until
the fall.

It's great to fly my mylar 150 until the wind gets up over 7 knots,
but I would never keep it on the furler. If I wanted a general purpose
cruising sail I would go smaller than my standard 135 that I use club
racing.

Again, it's hard to generalize over different rigs and venues

Ryk

A good sail inventory is a basic necessity, and I don't mean
large numbers of blown-out racing sails. It's amazing to me
how many people are cruising with crap sails. But then,
diesel fuel is still relatively cheap....


Ryk wrote:
Depends on the local racing fleet... Non-competitive racing sails may
still have years of performance cruising capacity left in them. Still,
I agree that cruising with bad sails is not fun for me.


Depends on what you mean by "non-competitive." A lot of
racers are flogging their way around the course with crap
sails, too. By "crap" I mean a sail that is blown into a
baggy shape that will not respond to tuning, that has had
the seams stressed & cloth weakened such that it is at risk
of coming apart in a hard blow.

A sail with a full season on it is not competitive but
should be fine for good sailing (cruising or otherwise). A
sail with two full season on it will need to be recut to be
competitive and restitched to be any good for anything else.

I don't see cruising as all that different from racing, in
terms of demand on the sails & rig. In fact, when cruising,
one is likely to leave sails up longer and in slightly
stronger wind since one is likely to be shorthanded. Of
course, the racer's daily bending on, all that tacking, and
taking them off & folding them, is also hard on the sails.

One of the problems with hi-tech racing sails is that they
don't really lose much shape, they get unresponsive to
tuning adjustments (which you can live with) and weakened
(which is a problem). The sail will have a nice shape and
just look a bit tired, and suddenly disappears in a gust.



A cruising spinnaker, a 120 or 135 (depending on where & how
most sailing is to be done, I might even go to a 145 but
then I like to go fast) on a roller, and a staysail, would
be a good set-up.


I carry a good inventory, but sail changes tend not to happen a lot
when cruising, and then not until far after they should. Unrolling a
big genoa and getting it down on the deck can be nasty work if left
too late while the wind is rising. Most cruisers around here seem to
hoist sail at the start of the season and leave it on the furler until
the fall.


Same around here. A big light air genoa is nice to have but
taking it on & off is a PITA, so is stowing it... you don't
even want it on the boat the rest of the time. That's one
reason why I thought a 145 (for areas with lots of light
air, smaller for areas where the wind is more dependable)
with one of the reefing options would be good, with a
staysail for when it really blows. The staysail would be
easier to set, easier to stow.


It's great to fly my mylar 150 until the wind gets up over 7 knots,
but I would never keep it on the furler. If I wanted a general purpose
cruising sail I would go smaller than my standard 135 that I use club
racing.

Again, it's hard to generalize over different rigs and venues


And different tastes.

One thing I'd like in a cruising and "fun sailing" genoa is
one that allows somewhat better visibility. A high-cut foot
is deadly to a racer but desirable for any other type of
sailing.

Diesel fuel is still relatively cheap. Of the cruisers I
know, 99% of them motor 99% of the time when they are trying
to actually get somewhere. Crap sails is one reason for
that, but then you can buy a lot of fuel for the price of a
set of good sails.

DSK

"Evan Gatehouse2" wrote in message
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Gordon wrote:
So I'm going to a roller furler jib for cruising. What size would be
best?
120, 135,150, etc!
Gordon

It depends on your cruising area, and the times of year you sail.

I'd say the default answer is a 135 but for Chesapeake Bay or LI Sound in
summer cruising, a 150. For San Francisco Bay, 115 or 120...

For offshore cruising, I'd lean towards 135 but without knowing more about
your boat or plans, nobody can offer much advice

Evan Gatehouse

I'm considering a 130, and I sail in the SF bay. That's what Quantum
recommended... they can make one that's got the luff foam so the shape is
good when it's reefed. Most of the time, of course, it would down to 90%.
:-)

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

After a couple of season of sailing my masthead rig Endeavour 32 using mostly the 130% roller genoa, I've been astounded to find out how much better it goes to windward with the small working jib. In winds strong enough to need some rolls on the genoa and a reef in the main, there is nearly a knot of difference in speed due to the cleaner leading edge and better shape. In lighter winds, the boat doesn't go much faster but feels better and steers more easily.

The downside is losing the increase in speed when the sheets are eased. I miss that feeling of rocketing away on a reach. Instead, the boat just maintains about the same speed as it was going to windward.

I'm going to sail a lot more with the working jib and am having a leach doubling sewn onto it this winter so I can leave it up more often without suffering sun damage. A cruising spinnaker was low on my list because I was pretty happy with the performance under the genoa for cruising and didn't think I wanted to deal with getting a downwind sail out of the bag and up. Now that I've seen how well the working jib is for windward work, I'm re-thinking.

I end up doing a lot of beating to windward. If I carry the genoa as my primary headsail, I'm now going to want to switch to the working jib for any long windward legs if there is any real breeze. That's an involved operation. Carrying the working jib as the primary headsail and getting an asymetrical spinnaker out for long reaching and downwind legs might be more fun and less work.

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Roger Long

Roger Long wrote:
After a couple of season of sailing my masthead rig Endeavour 32 using
mostly the 130% roller genoa, I've been astounded to find out how much
better it goes to windward with the small working jib. In winds strong
enough to need some rolls on the genoa and a reef in the main, there is
nearly a knot of difference in speed due to the cleaner leading edge and
better shape. In lighter winds, the boat doesn't go much faster but
feels better and steers more easily.

The downside is losing the increase in speed when the sheets are eased.
I miss that feeling of rocketing away on a reach. Instead, the boat just
maintains about the same speed as it was going to windward.

I'm going to sail a lot more with the working jib and am having a leach
doubling sewn onto it this winter so I can leave it up more often
without suffering sun damage. A cruising spinnaker was low on my list
because I was pretty happy with the performance under the genoa for
cruising and didn't think I wanted to deal with getting a downwind sail
out of the bag and up. Now that I've seen how well the working jib is
for windward work, I'm re-thinking.

I end up doing a lot of beating to windward. If I carry the genoa as my
primary headsail, I'm now going to want to switch to the working jib for
any long windward legs if there is any real breeze. That's an involved
operation. Carrying the working jib as the primary headsail and getting
an asymetrical spinnaker out for long reaching and downwind legs might
be more fun and less work.

--
Roger Long

What brand of furler and is your sail set up with the luff foam or rope?
Thanks
Gordon