Hi,
I'm installing a Dickinson Newport heat on my boat. I have only one line
coming out of my diesel fuel tank ( it's the fuel line for the engine).
What I need to do is supply the heater with fuel. My concern is that
if I install a Y-adaptor, some air may get into the fuel line. Then I'll have
a constant source of irritation from having to bleed the fuel line. (possibly)
Is my only option installing another line? Drilling another hole in the tank
and making a fitting solely for the heater?
There's got to be a better way.
Also, to give you more info, the fitting in the tank is high up on the tank and
inside the tank, there is a tube that runs down to just below the bottom of the

tank.

Mark

FWIW, a previous owner T'd off of the fuel line to supply the heateron
my Tayana. I dunno if he had any initial troubles with it, but in the
two years we've owned it, it's been trouble free.

Good luck - Dan

MLapla4120 wrote:

Hi,
I'm installing a Dickinson Newport heat on my boat. I have only one line
coming out of my diesel fuel tank ( it's the fuel line for the engine).
What I need to do is supply the heater with fuel. My concern is that
if I install a Y-adaptor, some air may get into the fuel line. Then I'll have
a constant source of irritation from having to bleed the fuel line. (possibly)
Is my only option installing another line? Drilling another hole in the tank
and making a fitting solely for the heater?
There's got to be a better way.
Also, to give you more info, the fitting in the tank is high up on the tank and
inside the tank, there is a tube that runs down to just below the bottom of the

tank.

Mark

--
Dan Best - (707) 431-1662, Healdsburg, CA 95448
B-2/75 1977-1979
Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean"
http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/TriciaJean.JPG

Is your main fuel tank higher (at least one foot) than the bottom of your
cabin heater?? If not you may have to install a pump or a gravity tank..

I have been using Dickinson stoves and heaters for years and very pleased.
However I prefer the gravity tank over the pump.

Even if lowest fuel level of your main fuel tank is high enough for the
heater, I still would recommend that you install a gravity tank so you can
keep track of how much fuel your heater is using.

You can get a 12 gal. TEMPO poly tank for about $20. Better than messing
with your main fruel tank. Plus it will give you a reserve for the engine.


--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

On 13 Oct 2003 23:31:13 GMT, (MLapla4120) wrote
(with possible editing):

Hi,
I'm installing a Dickinson Newport heat on my boat. I have only one line
coming out of my diesel fuel tank ( it's the fuel line for the engine).
What I need to do is supply the heater with fuel. My concern is that
if I install a Y-adaptor, some air may get into the fuel line. Then I'll have
a constant source of irritation from having to bleed the fuel line. (possibly)
Is my only option installing another line? Drilling another hole in the tank
and making a fitting solely for the heater?
There's got to be a better way.
Also, to give you more info, the fitting in the tank is high up on the tank and
inside the tank, there is a tube that runs down to just below the bottom of the

tank.

Mark

You can install a check valve to prevent air from getting into the
fuel line from the heater.

--

Larry
Email to rapp at lmr dot com

Steve wrote:

Is your main fuel tank higher (at least one foot) than the bottom of your
cabin heater?? If not you may have to install a pump or a gravity tank..

I have been using Dickinson stoves and heaters for years and very pleased.
However I prefer the gravity tank over the pump.

Even if lowest fuel level of your main fuel tank is high enough for the
heater, I still would recommend that you install a gravity tank so you can
keep track of how much fuel your heater is using.

You can get a 12 gal. TEMPO poly tank for about $20. Better than messing
with your main fruel tank. Plus it will give you a reserve for the engine.

I agree with the above. But while you're at it, consider using kerosene
instead, then you will solve the sooting and smoke problem with the same solution.

"Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message
instead, then you will solve the sooting and smoke problem with the same
solution.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I have always run my Dickinsons on
diesel and once I learn how to assemble and operate them I haven't had any
problem with soot on deck..

What I have found is, if the stove is run for a long period of time with the
blue/yellow flame any soot accumulation in the stove is consumed with the
high combusion temp.. However, if I run my stove for only a hour or so,
there is soot accumulation above the combustion area.

I got my near new $1650 Dickinson Pacific galley stove fpr $600 because the
sellers wife couldn't get it to burn without smoking. Turned out they had
been assembling the internal baffles incorrectly and she was only lighting
it for a brief period to cook a meal.

One of the draw backs of these stoves, is it takes about 30 min for the
stove top to get up to cooking temp. from a cold start. The oven will take
about 45 min to reach 350 deg.

If it isn't cool enough to need cabin heat all day, I cook lunch/coffee on a
propane 'sea sling' type stove.

I'm living aboard at the marina now (don't tell the manager) and have dock
power and an electric heater. However I prefer the heat from the galley
stove and when I get out of my bunk in the morning, I light the stove, make
a pot of coffee and breakfast. I then turn off the stove until evening but
the residual heat form the stove keeps the coffee warm for an hour and the
cabin cozy for at least two.

I just prefer the cozy warmth of the stove, over the electric heater.

Even though I have a CO alarm, etc. I don't leave the stove running
overnight or while I'm away from the boat.

I have kerosene aboard for my lamps but it is of a higher quality than I
would want to burn in a stove. So if I were to switch to stove kerosene,
that would create and an additional fuel requirement.

However, since my stove gravity tank is getting low, I may purchase a 5 gal
can of stove kerosene and see how it works. Who knows??

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

See if you can get jet fuel JP-5. They had no diesel in Adak when we
went thru there so filled up with JP-5 - burned cleaner than I would
have imagined in our Dickinson Newport which ran 24 hours a day, 7
days a week for 2 months, without a hickup. Didn't shut it off till we
got to Anacortes about Dec 15th



On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:53:51 -0700, "Steve" wrote:


"Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message
instead, then you will solve the sooting and smoke problem with the same
solution.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I have always run my Dickinsons on
diesel and once I learn how to assemble and operate them I haven't had any
problem with soot on deck..

What I have found is, if the stove is run for a long period of time with the
blue/yellow flame any soot accumulation in the stove is consumed with the
high combusion temp.. However, if I run my stove for only a hour or so,
there is soot accumulation above the combustion area.

I got my near new $1650 Dickinson Pacific galley stove fpr $600 because the
sellers wife couldn't get it to burn without smoking. Turned out they had
been assembling the internal baffles incorrectly and she was only lighting
it for a brief period to cook a meal.

One of the draw backs of these stoves, is it takes about 30 min for the
stove top to get up to cooking temp. from a cold start. The oven will take
about 45 min to reach 350 deg.

If it isn't cool enough to need cabin heat all day, I cook lunch/coffee on a
propane 'sea sling' type stove.

I'm living aboard at the marina now (don't tell the manager) and have dock
power and an electric heater. However I prefer the heat from the galley
stove and when I get out of my bunk in the morning, I light the stove, make
a pot of coffee and breakfast. I then turn off the stove until evening but
the residual heat form the stove keeps the coffee warm for an hour and the
cabin cozy for at least two.

I just prefer the cozy warmth of the stove, over the electric heater.

Even though I have a CO alarm, etc. I don't leave the stove running
overnight or while I'm away from the boat.

I have kerosene aboard for my lamps but it is of a higher quality than I
would want to burn in a stove. So if I were to switch to stove kerosene,
that would create and an additional fuel requirement.

However, since my stove gravity tank is getting low, I may purchase a 5 gal
can of stove kerosene and see how it works. Who knows??

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

Hi,
As the other reply indicated, if your fuel tank is a foot or more
above the carb, you are lucky and won't
require a fuel pump. I personally can not live with the noise of a
fuel pump so I went with a day tank. It seems like a lot of hassle but
gravity works perfectly, no noise and provides the perfect pressure at
the carb
head. I have been using a 2 gal refillable day tank for over 20 years
with no problems.
To the guy who mentioned using JP-4 jet fuel, thanks for the tip. I'll
have to give it a try. We can get stove
oil here in Victoria and a few other places but switching to diesel
sucks. Then I do get soot on my deck and
have to run the stove at a higher setting to keep the flame hot.
Good luck with your installation. cheers john

MLapla4120 wrote:

Hi,
I'm installing a Dickinson Newport heat on my boat. I have only one line
coming out of my diesel fuel tank ( it's the fuel line for the engine).
What I need to do is supply the heater with fuel. My concern is that
if I install a Y-adaptor, some air may get into the fuel line. Then I'll have
a constant source of irritation from having to bleed the fuel line. (possibly)
Is my only option installing another line? Drilling another hole in the tank
and making a fitting solely for the heater?
There's got to be a better way.
Also, to give you more info, the fitting in the tank is high up on the tank and
inside the tank, there is a tube that runs down to just below the bottom of the

tank.

Mark

On my boat the previous owner installed an Espar and put a T connection in
the fuel line going from the main tank to the Yanmar fuel pump. It has been
like this for years and seems to work fine. The line from the T connection
to the Espar pump runs downhill for a ways before going up to the pump and I
think this keeps a slug of fuel in the line at all times and prevents entry
of air.

As I'm living on my boat I recently installed a Dickenson Newport so that I
can have 24 hour heating. Since I'm going to use a fair bit of fuel I
decided to connect it to the main tank as for the Espar. I put a second T
in the line next to the Espar pump and ran a hose to a Walbro pulse pump and
then to the Newport. This is working fine although I've not tried sailing
with it yet. The stove seems to burn diesel just fine although there is
soot on the glass door. I'll just need to seem how often it needs a
cleanout. There is no smoke coming out of the Charlie Noble.
As for the "noisy" pump, I built a wooden box for it and lined the box with
some scrap engine compartment noise deadening foam. The stuff I used has
about 1/4 inch of foam, 3/16 inch of plastic and then more foam. The box is
located next to the fuel tank, behind the bulkhead at the aft end of my
quarter berth. After all this I can still hear it go "tick" every 4 or 5
seconds. It is a bit annoying but I cannot hear it if the radio/stereo is
on. I also cannot hear it while sleeping in the V berth. I'm thinking of
extending the hoses/electrical connections and mounting it further aft in
the boat however I may just get used to the noise. Often you cannot hear it
due to the many random noises on the boat.

Gord Wedman
C&C 37
Nanaimo, BC




"John" wrote in message ...
Hi,
As the other reply indicated, if your fuel tank is a foot or more
above the carb, you are lucky and won't
require a fuel pump. I personally can not live with the noise of a
fuel pump so I went with a day tank. It seems like a lot of hassle but
gravity works perfectly, no noise and provides the perfect pressure at
the carb
head. I have been using a 2 gal refillable day tank for over 20 years
with no problems.
To the guy who mentioned using JP-4 jet fuel, thanks for the tip. I'll
have to give it a try. We can get stove
oil here in Victoria and a few other places but switching to diesel
sucks. Then I do get soot on my deck and
have to run the stove at a higher setting to keep the flame hot.
Good luck with your installation. cheers john

MLapla4120 wrote:

Hi,
I'm installing a Dickinson Newport heat on my boat. I have only one
line
coming out of my diesel fuel tank ( it's the fuel line for the engine).
What I need to do is supply the heater with fuel. My concern is that
if I install a Y-adaptor, some air may get into the fuel line. Then I'll
have
a constant source of irritation from having to bleed the fuel line.
(possibly)
Is my only option installing another line? Drilling another hole in
the tank
and making a fitting solely for the heater?
There's got to be a better way.
Also, to give you more info, the fitting in the tank is high up on the
tank and
inside the tank, there is a tube that runs down to just below the bottom
of the

tank.

Mark

Gordon,
I think either Dickinson or Sigmar recommends mounting the
aux fuel pump on an isolator. Their version is an old radiator hose
screwed to a bulkhead, and the pump screwed to the hose (but
not into the bulkhead). Have you tried that or is the noise
something different?

Matt

"Gordon Wedman" wrote in message
news:yFUkb.19090$At.15505@edtnps84...
On my boat the previous owner installed an Espar and put a T connection in
the fuel line going from the main tank to the Yanmar fuel pump. It has
been
like this for years and seems to work fine. The line from the T
connection
to the Espar pump runs downhill for a ways before going up to the pump and
I
think this keeps a slug of fuel in the line at all times and prevents
entry
of air.

As I'm living on my boat I recently installed a Dickenson Newport so that
I
can have 24 hour heating. Since I'm going to use a fair bit of fuel I
decided to connect it to the main tank as for the Espar. I put a second T
in the line next to the Espar pump and ran a hose to a Walbro pulse pump
and
then to the Newport. This is working fine although I've not tried sailing
with it yet. The stove seems to burn diesel just fine although there is
soot on the glass door. I'll just need to seem how often it needs a
cleanout. There is no smoke coming out of the Charlie Noble.
As for the "noisy" pump, I built a wooden box for it and lined the box
with
some scrap engine compartment noise deadening foam. The stuff I used has
about 1/4 inch of foam, 3/16 inch of plastic and then more foam. The box
is
located next to the fuel tank, behind the bulkhead at the aft end of my
quarter berth. After all this I can still hear it go "tick" every 4 or 5
seconds. It is a bit annoying but I cannot hear it if the radio/stereo is
on. I also cannot hear it while sleeping in the V berth. I'm thinking of
extending the hoses/electrical connections and mounting it further aft in
the boat however I may just get used to the noise. Often you cannot hear
it
due to the many random noises on the boat.

Gord Wedman
C&C 37
Nanaimo, BC




"John" wrote in message ...
Hi,
As the other reply indicated, if your fuel tank is a foot or more
above the carb, you are lucky and won't
require a fuel pump. I personally can not live with the noise of a
fuel pump so I went with a day tank. It seems like a lot of hassle but
gravity works perfectly, no noise and provides the perfect pressure at
the carb
head. I have been using a 2 gal refillable day tank for over 20 years
with no problems.
To the guy who mentioned using JP-4 jet fuel, thanks for the tip. I'll
have to give it a try. We can get stove
oil here in Victoria and a few other places but switching to diesel
sucks. Then I do get soot on my deck and
have to run the stove at a higher setting to keep the flame hot.
Good luck with your installation. cheers john

MLapla4120 wrote:

Hi,
I'm installing a Dickinson Newport heat on my boat. I have only one
line
coming out of my diesel fuel tank ( it's the fuel line for the engine).
What I need to do is supply the heater with fuel. My concern is that
if I install a Y-adaptor, some air may get into the fuel line. Then
I'll
have
a constant source of irritation from having to bleed the fuel line.
(possibly)
Is my only option installing another line? Drilling another hole in
the tank
and making a fitting solely for the heater?
There's got to be a better way.
Also, to give you more info, the fitting in the tank is high up on the
tank and
inside the tank, there is a tube that runs down to just below the
bottom
of the

tank.

Mark