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On Aug 2, 11:08 am, "Rusty" blank wrote:
First of all, thanks to Tom for his response to my question.

Second, empathy is a human quality that allows one to place themselves in
anothers shoes and try to understand their viewpoint.

TO do that interpersonal communication is needed and leads many times
on one concept: Uncertanty Reduction.
Whech means you get to know about the oter person. ANd many times my
worse fewrs are confirmed......... they are idots and girly men.

What is 'Right' for
one person is not the same as it is for another.

There ur wrong. There are crtain things that are simply dangerous or
wrong. your staring to sound like a cultural antropologist.

Those with the human
quality of empathy understand that. I must conclude Wilbur is something less
than human.

Third. This sure is entertaining!

Regarding who is the most qualified to sail.........................
unless some one here can step up and show me their OICNW indorsment on
their 500 ton license id say we are all rather luberly. Me included.
But mabe in another 360 days of deck service and 21 weeks of class. :)

Bob

Thanks
Rusty

"Bob" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Aug 2, 11:08 am, "Rusty" blank wrote:
First of all, thanks to Tom for his response to my question.

Second, empathy is a human quality that allows one to place
themselves in
anothers shoes and try to understand their viewpoint.

TO do that interpersonal communication is needed and leads many times
on one concept: Uncertanty Reduction.
Whech means you get to know about the oter person. ANd many times my
worse fewrs are confirmed......... they are idots and girly men.

What is 'Right' for
one person is not the same as it is for another.

There ur wrong. There are crtain things that are simply dangerous or
wrong. your staring to sound like a cultural antropologist.

Those with the human
quality of empathy understand that. I must conclude Wilbur is
something less
than human.

Third. This sure is entertaining!

Regarding who is the most qualified to sail.........................
unless some one here can step up and show me their OICNW indorsment on
their 500 ton license id say we are all rather luberly. Me included.
But mabe in another 360 days of deck service and 21 weeks of class. :)

Bob

Thanks
Rusty

How about a Master Mariner license instead?

http://captneal.homestead.com/files/mastermariner.jpg

I'd say that says it all . . . My mentor, the World Famous Captain Neal.

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

Go ahead, be honest. Admit you're doing it mostly for YOU. Don't try to
beat around the bush and couch it in terms of easing somebody else's
mind. That's a cop-out and you know it.

Admit what's not true? Hardly. I spent weeks offshore singlehanding in
perfect comfort mentally if not physically. If you mean a double back
slash something or other that I want to call my daughter to make her
feel better because that way I feel better, ok, that's true. In the same
way I give flowers to my wife (I'm remarried) to make her feel better
but when I please her, I feel good about that.

My daughter was anxious when I went offshore a few years ago. She said
so before I left and after I returned. My idea of a good time isn't
making her unhappy. She's my daughter - do you have one? If you do, you
surely understand what I'm driving at.

-paul

"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

Go ahead, be honest. Admit you're doing it mostly for YOU. Don't try
to beat around the bush and couch it in terms of easing somebody
else's mind. That's a cop-out and you know it.

Admit what's not true? Hardly. I spent weeks offshore singlehanding in
perfect comfort mentally if not physically. If you mean a double back
slash something or other that I want to call my daughter to make her
feel better because that way I feel better, ok, that's true. In the
same way I give flowers to my wife (I'm remarried) to make her feel
better but when I please her, I feel good about that.

My daughter was anxious when I went offshore a few years ago. She said
so before I left and after I returned. My idea of a good time isn't
making her unhappy. She's my daughter - do you have one? If you do,
you surely understand what I'm driving at.

-paul

I understand because you're more like most of the people these days. But
that doesn't make it right or even productive.

Your daughter points out the difference in our outlooks. While your
daughter was anxious about your well-being mine just said, "Have fun,
Daddy, and be careful. I'll see you when you get back."

You raised your daughter to be just like her Dad - a dependent person
who worries. I raised mine to be just like me - an independent person
who doesn't worry. She's somebody who is secure and happy and does not
derive her happiness from an old man and I wouldn't have her any other
way . . .

Look at it this way. When you die your poor daughter will be
grief-stricken and lost while mine will say in her mind, "Fair winds,
Daddy, wherever you may be sailing now. It was good knowing you and I
will always love you for raising me to appreciate the way the world
works and to enjoy the positive and to reject the negative."

Wilbur Hubbard

On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 12:16:58 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 22:29:52 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Aug 1, 3:52 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
...
The disdain I hold others in is caused by their causing problems
for
me
and other real self-reliant sailors by their not taking sailing
seriously. ...

You want to explain exactly how it causes you a problem when I phone
my old dad from a remote Pacific Atoll to see if he's ok? I'm
selfish
enough that I'd go cruising even if it meant that I couldn't call
home, but since I can why shouldn't I?

-- Tom.

You can do what pleases you. My point is something my dear old Dad
taught me before he died. He told me that if you try doing two things
at
one time you'll end up doing neither well. So you can cruise and you
can
telephone. But it's not the same as doing one or the other and doing
it
well.

Wilbur Hubbard

In other words, you can't walk and chew gum at the same time?

Well, I don't suppose you can.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

Words of wisdom from somebody who claims to be a world cruiser but who
spends all his time stuck in a marina and on the Internet 24/7. Did you
know, Bruce, that you're stuck in a marina in a part of the world most
cruisers say is one of the better cruising grounds. Why aren't you out
cruising? Seeing the sights by water? And, don't give me this monsoon
crap!

Wilbur Hubbard

Well, for one reason we have been cruising Asian waters for ten years,
or more, so some of the new has worn off, as they say. But, if you
take the trouble to have a look in the archives you'll notice that,
unlike you, there have been long periods when I haven't posted during
which time I was out on the water.

You see, Hubby, unlike you my whole life does not evolve around the
Internet. When I'm in port I post, when I'm sailing I don't.

Monsoons - you obviously don;t know a thing about monsoons so I'll
tell you. For about half the year the Monsoon winds in S.E. Asia blow
from the N.E. and bring dry air from China. During the other half of
the year the S.W. Monsoon brings wet air from the S. Indian Ocean.

During the N.E. Monsoon you get dry weather with few squalls and
during the S.W. Monsoon you get tons of rain, thunder storms and
squalls with winds up to 60 - 70 MPH.

Most sensible people do their sailing during the good weather half of
the year. Fools go sailing during the bad weather.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 12:38:28 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:48:32 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Rusty" blank wrote in message
om...
I think it's time to get an Iridium satellite phone. We're gong to
have
way
too much time away from cell sites.

Any suggestions as to a cruiser-friendly source of hardware and
airtime?

Thanks,
Rusty

It's my observation that people who have to have a phone so they can
blabbermouth 24/7 while out cruising should just stay home. If you
need
to be plugged in to the communications grid 24/7 you're not cut out
for
cruising - just stay home and leave the waterways open for real
cruisers, please. Today's men are turning into girly men. Bunch of
sissies. Spend the money on a EPIRB instead. Cruise and try shutting
your mouth for a week or a month. You might learn something for the
first time in your life.

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur,

While I realize that weather is of little interest to you on your
trailer-sailer anchored in your snug little Bayou but to people out
there on the water it is one of their primary concerns and there are
three basic ways to get weather reports once you're out of sight of
land (1) H.F. radio, (2) Iridium phone or (3) satellite (immersat, for
example).

I've done cost comparisons and going from nothing to a complete
installation is cheaper using Iridium so more and more cruisers are
opting for Iridium as weather reports through Iridium can be received
24 hours a day while H.F. is greatly dependent upon daily propagation
variations.

As you say, " try shutting your mouth for a week or a month. You might
learn something for the first time in your life."

Correction, there is a fourth and more reliable way of getting weather
reports. That's knowing how to look at the glass and the sky and being
able to interpret what they tell you for your part of the world. How do
you think sailors got around before your exclusive reliance on
technology?

Your little do-it-like-a-lubber screed simply reinforces my opinion that
you're no sailor.
But, then again, anybody who has good opportunity to do coastal cruising
in your part of the world, (considered premiere cruising grounds) but
instead sits in a marina on the Internet probably won't ever understand
that.

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur, that is one of the stupidest posts I've ever had the
misfortune to read.

You are right, years ago people didn't have any technology and relied
on all kind of signs and portents to determine what to do.

Originally no one could figure out how where they were once they were
out of sight of land. Then came the compass so we could tell what
direction we were going. Then somebody made a clock that would keep
accurate time and people learned how to take sun shots and we got even
better at knowing where we were, now we have GPS and we know down to a
yard, or so exactly where we are.

Sure, there a lot of old sailor's rhymes and jingles -- Red sky at
night, sailor's delight....., most of them wildly inaccurate, but now
we have a little more science in weather forecasting. Satellites,
weather buoys, there is even a US Navy buoy system in most oceans
where you can get real time wave height, and you want to go back to
looking at clouds to predict the weather? Why? Because you think it is
"lubberly" to use technology?

Throughout history those who adopted the latest technology win and
those who stuck with the old traditional ways end up in the garbage
can.

Hubert, do a little reading about the Tea Clippers. They sailed the
way you are recommending -- lousy charts, poor navigation systems, no
communications, no weather information except clouds. Real Sailor! No
Lubbers here!

And the average life of a tea clipper was something like two years.
Their records read "lost on Scudder's Bank", "demasted in Bay of
Bengal", "believed sunk in typhoon in S. China Seas".......

If you want to go back to the days of Salt Junk and Biscuits for
breakfast, pulling ropes by hand and drowning because you ran into a
typhoon that you didn't know was coming then you are welcome to it.

But for me, I'm going to have every technical advantage I can get.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:09:10 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bob" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Aug 2, 11:08 am, "Rusty" blank wrote:
First of all, thanks to Tom for his response to my question.

Second, empathy is a human quality that allows one to place
themselves in
anothers shoes and try to understand their viewpoint.

TO do that interpersonal communication is needed and leads many times
on one concept: Uncertanty Reduction.
Whech means you get to know about the oter person. ANd many times my
worse fewrs are confirmed......... they are idots and girly men.

What is 'Right' for
one person is not the same as it is for another.

There ur wrong. There are crtain things that are simply dangerous or
wrong. your staring to sound like a cultural antropologist.

Those with the human
quality of empathy understand that. I must conclude Wilbur is
something less
than human.

Third. This sure is entertaining!

Regarding who is the most qualified to sail.........................
unless some one here can step up and show me their OICNW indorsment on
their 500 ton license id say we are all rather luberly. Me included.
But mabe in another 360 days of deck service and 21 weeks of class. :)

Bob

Thanks
Rusty

How about a Master Mariner license instead?

http://captneal.homestead.com/files/mastermariner.jpg

I'd say that says it all . . . My mentor, the World Famous Captain Neal.

Wilbur Hubbard

If you had taken the photo from a little further away it might work,
but it can be read -- it is a 25 tonner for domestic inshore waters.

I believe that the OP was talking about a real ship officers license
with indorsement probable foreign going all tonnage.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:09:10 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
How about a Master Mariner license instead?

http://captneal.homestead.com/files/mastermariner.jpg

I'd say that says it all . . . My mentor, the World Famous Captain Neal.

Wilbur Hubbard

If you had taken the photo from a little further away it might work,
but it can be read -- it is a 25 tonner for domestic inshore waters.

I believe that the OP was talking about a real ship officers license
with indorsement probable foreign going all tonnage.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

Hey Willy -- you should tell yourse....er, "Capt Neal," that the license has
expired. No matter, we all have to start somewhere. Self-documenting sea
time for the 25 ton MM and OUPV license is as good a start as any.

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

You raised your daughter to be just like her Dad - a dependent person
who worries. I raised mine to be just like me - an independent person
who doesn't worry.

Wilbur Hubbard

Willlll burrrr:

There are a few things in this world are simply wrong. As a parent to
a daughter you should know the rule: Thy shall not dis a dad about
his daughter.

For me, I got up at 3AM drove my daughter to the airport to catch her
fligh for shool. As a freshman she was a llittle home sick. Now its
bada bing, "luv ya D c u late." I grew mine to want to leave home.
But ya shouldnt be crowdn a man bout his daughter.Bob

On 2007-08-02 00:16:16 -0400, Bob said:

Sorry to tell yo but only girly men use tanks (as in sports scuba). The
only manly path to the under world is Free Diving. Just water, god, and
the air in your lungs..... I also prefer to drink alone and eat my fish
raw. Argggg! But let me tell ya right now. Hve a new epirb and going to
get an Irridium phone. Hell, it use to be $10 bucks a min. Ive seen
poor saps whine a pay check away ytalkig to their girlfriends at sea.
Sad..............
Basalt Bob

Agree with most everything except the drinking alone. Much more fun
with a lovely lady by your side, or better ;-)

How much IS Iridium these days?

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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