... So you can cruise and you can
telephone. But it's not the same as doing one or the other and doing it
well. ...

I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that I'm cruising less well
when, lets say, just for the sake of historical accuracy, I'm anchor
down in Kanton Atoll on a day when it's so calm I can't tell where the
air ends and the water starts and so hot that even the flies have
taken cover in the shade I call my father on my Iridium phone? Are
you telling me that this offends you in some way? Do we need to be
reduced to sail cloth pants and latitude sailing to be cruising
"well"?

-- Tom.

"KLC Lewis" wrote in news:comdneOZbO9-
:


"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message
.. .
Wilbur, you can cruise anyway that you want, but don't hold in distain
others who don't share your view. The same thing holds true of
politics. We probably don't share the same views, but that doesn't make
either of us wrong. We simply look at things differently. Have an open
mind and try to accept differing views.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

Silly Geoff -- Wilbur doesn't cruise. lol

You're so obviously right. I'm sorry that I got sucked into his ranting.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

"Rusty" blank wrote in message
. ..
I think it's time to get an Iridium satellite phone. We're gong to
have way
too much time away from cell sites.

Any suggestions as to a cruiser-friendly source of hardware and airtime?

Thanks,
Rusty


It's my observation that people who have to have a phone so they can
blabbermouth 24/7 while out cruising should just stay home. If you need
to be plugged in to the communications grid 24/7 you're not cut out for
cruising - just stay home and leave the waterways open for real
cruisers, please. Today's men are turning into girly men. Bunch of
sissies. Spend the money on a EPIRB instead. Cruise and try shutting
your mouth for a week or a month. You might learn something for the
first time in your life.

Wilbur Hubbard

Folks,

Don't feed the troll. Clearly this guy isn't worth your time.

Just kill file him or filter him out.

Evan

"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

It's my observation that people who have to have a phone so they can
blabbermouth 24/7 while out cruising should just stay home. If you need
to be plugged in to the communications grid 24/7 you're not cut out for
cruising - just stay home and leave the waterways open for real cruisers,
please. Today's men are turning into girly men. Bunch of sissies. Spend
the money on a EPIRB instead. Cruise and try shutting your mouth for a
week or a month. You might learn something for the first time in your
life.

Why are you so bitter? When hundreds of miles off shore, I could have
liked to talk to my daughter who was anxious about my safety as I was
singlehanding a rather large sailboat. It would have been something to
make her feel better.

I tried calling her on my EPIRB but the thing just blinked at me.

-paul


He's a bitter, angry guy. He has no life, no money, and he certainly
couldn't afford a sat phone.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message
.. .
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:46b1165c
:


"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

It's my observation that people who have to have a phone so they can
blabbermouth 24/7 while out cruising should just stay home. If you
need to be plugged in to the communications grid 24/7 you're not cut
out for cruising - just stay home and leave the waterways open for
real cruisers, please. Today's men are turning into girly men.
Bunch
of sissies. Spend the money on a EPIRB instead. Cruise and try
shutting your mouth for a week or a month. You might learn something
for the first time in your life.

Why are you so bitter? When hundreds of miles off shore, I could have
liked to talk to my daughter who was anxious about my safety as I was
singlehanding a rather large sailboat. It would have been something
to
make her feel better.

I tried calling her on my EPIRB but the thing just blinked at me.

-paul

I'm not bitter I'm just fed up with the way people don't seem to be
able
to prioritize these days. Why is it that fully half the people you see
walking down a sidewalk or shopping in a store or eating in a
restaurant
or driving their automobile are having cell phone conversations. It's
not necessary to be doing so and it's dangerous and most of the time
it's rude.

If you're off cruising then enjoy cruising. If you can't enjoy an
activity without having to be talking on the phone 24/7 about it then
why are you really doing it? So, somebody is "anxious" about your
situation. Too bad! It's their way of thinking and their negativism.
Maybe if they weren't catered to 24/7 they might have a chance to
develop a more mature and realistic attitude. I was always taught that
no news is good news. I have found that old adage to be very accurate.

There are some things that people do like climbing a mountain, or
cruising far offshore or scuba diving where it's reasonable to expect
they will be out of touch with civilization. What makes people think
they are so important that everybody in the world must have instant
access to them and they to the world? Is it an ego problem or is it
just
a bad habit? I think it's some of both.

Family and friends should allow a man some space and some freedom
without making him feel guilty about having to constantly keep in
touch.
Having keeping in touch as a priority when you're way out on the ocean
somewhere cruising getting away from it all seems an unnecessary
burden
to all parties concerned. How can anybody get away from it all while
taking it all with them?

Does anybody really know what it means to cruise or voyage anymore?

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur,

I think that you should understand that others don't share your view.
Up until this year we had an Iridium phone, which we used sparingly. On
a weekly basis we would talk to our parents for probably 5-10 minutes at
a time. When you have aging parents, it's important for them to hear
your voice and for you to hear the tenor of their voice. You can judge
a lot more from a voice conversation than you can from an e-mail.

There are also times when you NEED a reliable phone connection to
resolve a problem. You can't rely on e-mail. You need to discuss
issues with people and get them to do things in real time. One time I
needed to talk to someone to find out of some rollers on the top of the
mast would support my weight as my main halyard was jammed and I needed
to go up the mast while underway to un-jam it (I only have 1 main
halyard).

This year I had terrible issues trying to figure out how to ship a hose
into the Acklins Islands of the Bahamas for my watermaker. You would
have thought that I was inventing a whole new process and I had to rely
on my father to hold long, laborious conversations on what would appear
to be a simple matter.

Wilbur, you can cruise anyway that you want, but don't hold in distain
others who don't share your view. The same thing holds true of
politics. We probably don't share the same views, but that doesn't make
either of us wrong. We simply look at things differently. Have an open
mind and try to accept differing views.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org


His real name is Neal Warren. He's not interested in a serious discussion.
He's only interested in putting down whatever and whomever gets in his way.
He should be pitied.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:48:32 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Rusty" blank wrote in message
...
I think it's time to get an Iridium satellite phone. We're gong to have
way
too much time away from cell sites.

Any suggestions as to a cruiser-friendly source of hardware and
airtime?

Thanks,
Rusty


It's my observation that people who have to have a phone so they can
blabbermouth 24/7 while out cruising should just stay home. If you need
to be plugged in to the communications grid 24/7 you're not cut out for
cruising - just stay home and leave the waterways open for real
cruisers, please. Today's men are turning into girly men. Bunch of
sissies. Spend the money on a EPIRB instead. Cruise and try shutting
your mouth for a week or a month. You might learn something for the
first time in your life.

Wilbur Hubbard


Wilbur,

While I realize that weather is of little interest to you on your
trailer-sailer anchored in your snug little Bayou but to people out
there on the water it is one of their primary concerns and there are
three basic ways to get weather reports once you're out of sight of
land (1) H.F. radio, (2) Iridium phone or (3) satellite (immersat, for
example).

I've done cost comparisons and going from nothing to a complete
installation is cheaper using Iridium so more and more cruisers are
opting for Iridium as weather reports through Iridium can be received
24 hours a day while H.F. is greatly dependent upon daily propagation
variations.

As you say, " try shutting your mouth for a week or a month. You might
learn something for the first time in your life."

..








Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

On Aug 1, 4:26 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Paul Cassel" wrote in message

There are some things that people do like climbing a mountain, or
cruising far offshore or scuba diving where it's reasonable to expect
they will be out of touch with civilization.

Sorry to tell yo but only girly men use tanks (as in sports scuba).
The only manly path to the under world is Free Diving. Just water,
god, and the air in your lungs..... I also prefer to drink alone and
eat my fish raw. Argggg! But let me tell ya right now. Hve a new epirb
and going to get an Irridium phone. Hell, it use to be $10 bucks a
min. Ive seen poor saps whine a pay check away ytalkig to their
girlfriends at sea. Sad..............
Basalt Bob


Does anybody really know what it means to cruise or voyage anymore?

Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text -

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On Aug 1, 7:29 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

You can do what pleases you. My point is something my dear old Dad
taught me before he died. He told me that if you try doing two things at
one time you'll end up doing neither well. So you can cruise and you can
telephone. But it's not the same as doing one or the other and doing it
well.

Wilbur Hubbard

Got to agree. Worse thaing that can happen to a man at sea is know
what is going on back on the beach. Once had a buddy who got a dear
jon letter at sea. He had another 60 days left befor the boat was
heading back. He was a walking xombie. Nearly killed a guy and later
himself cause he was day dreamming of some fuffy muffy. All he could
think about was that muffy back home with some Jody.
Bob

On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 21:52:28 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message
. ..
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
news:46b1165c
:


"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
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There are also times when you NEED a reliable phone connection to
resolve a problem. You can't rely on e-mail. You need to discuss
issues with people and get them to do things in real time. One time I
needed to talk to someone to find out of some rollers on the top of
the
mast would support my weight as my main halyard was jammed and I
needed
to go up the mast while underway to un-jam it (I only have 1 main
halyard).

Sailing by committee. Oh yes, that's the way it's done today. That's the
way people these days think it should be done. What ever happened to
self-reliance, personal responsiblity and knowing your boat? You should
already know if the halyards and sheeves can hold your weight. You
should have installed mast steps beforehand oo you would not have to
wonder if relying on halyards was safe. But you didn't and you didn't
because your phone allows you to sail by committee. It allows you to be
uninformed. It allows you to be slothful. That's not sailing.


Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur, you just to get another boat! Or at least hang around a bigger
boat for a day. I'm sure that when you are sitting on that overgrown
dinghy with no amenities and a 9.9 H.P gasoline outboard as your only
power source you might be deluded into thinking that you can fix
anything that breaks but if you were ever on a real boat you'd find
that you were woefully ignorant of how things work.

In the example cited above, if you are going to depend on a rope to
hold you some 50 or 60 feet in the air you certainly should be aware
of whether it is going to hold, or not. Watch any professional rigger
get ready to make a climb -- watch them check the safety rope foot by
foot.

And, mast steps? Have you got mast steps on that trailer-sailer you
have lived on for 20 years? What a waste. A real sailor would just
grab the shrouds and climb the mast - don't even try to say this can't
be done because I watched a Frenchman do it in the Singapore Straits.
A 25 ft. boat and up the mast he went, no steps, no ropes, just
reached out and grabbed the shrouds and up he went.

Wilbur, old boy, if you are going to talk the talk you got to walk the
walk. No more sitting in the bayou there, you got to get out here on
the water with the rest of us.


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 22:29:52 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


wrote in message
oups.com...
On Aug 1, 3:52 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
...
The disdain I hold others in is caused by their causing problems for
me
and other real self-reliant sailors by their not taking sailing
seriously. ...

You want to explain exactly how it causes you a problem when I phone
my old dad from a remote Pacific Atoll to see if he's ok? I'm selfish
enough that I'd go cruising even if it meant that I couldn't call
home, but since I can why shouldn't I?

-- Tom.

You can do what pleases you. My point is something my dear old Dad
taught me before he died. He told me that if you try doing two things at
one time you'll end up doing neither well. So you can cruise and you can
telephone. But it's not the same as doing one or the other and doing it
well.

Wilbur Hubbard


In other words, you can't walk and chew gum at the same time?

Well, I don't suppose you can.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)