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Third Florida trip report (long, of course!)
Skip Gundlach wrote:
:{)) We'll do that, despite that her kid(s? at least one, but he - the 21 year old college senior - claims it's all 4 of them) seems to have a bug up his rear about our doing this which has resulted, this weekend, in an ad hominem attack on me and my sanity and a threat, as well, should I continue in this course, along with an accusation that I'm stealing his mother's fortune (I'm buying the boat) - and, not incidentally, his mother :{)) L8R Skip and Lydia, As The Stomach Turns... Unluckily, you'll have to let Lydia handle her kids -- they're never yours and you'll never really have any hold on them. No one will ever be good enough for MOM, and she and their Dad never did anything so crass as have sex or other such fun anyway.... ;-) Ideally, the two of you should have a long and enjoyable life together doing whatever you choose to do, the last one dying with $1 over funeral expenses, including a massive wake for all your friends still left standing ;-) -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Third Florida trip report (long, of course!)
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:04:18 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote: :{)) We'll do that, despite that her kid(s? at least one, but he - the 21 year old college senior - claims it's all 4 of them) seems to have a bug up his rear about our doing this which has resulted, this weekend, in an ad hominem attack on me and my sanity and a threat, as well, should I continue in this course, along with an accusation that I'm stealing his mother's fortune (I'm buying the boat) - and, not incidentally, his mother :{)) L8R Skip and Lydia, As The Stomach Turns... Either immaturity or jealousy at work, methinks. I have no clue as to your domestic arrangements, but it's your life and you've earned whatever comfort and adventure you care to take on. A 21 year old is his own man, and must decide for himself the course his life takes: he can bitch ashore, or swallow his foolish pride and beg you to crew for a few weeks at the start of your fabulous new adventure. Here I am at 42 with a two-year-old son, giving advice! Oh, well...I want to hit the sea like you before I'm 50 and 10 year old kids don't get a vote unless they stand four hour day watches and take noon sights for the old man...G R. |
Third Florida trip report (long, of course!)
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:04:18 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote: :{)) We'll do that, despite that her kid(s? at least one, but he - the 21 year old college senior - claims it's all 4 of them) seems to have a bug up his rear about our doing this which has resulted, this weekend, in an ad hominem attack on me and my sanity and a threat, as well, should I continue in this course, along with an accusation that I'm stealing his mother's fortune (I'm buying the boat) - and, not incidentally, his mother :{)) L8R Skip and Lydia, As The Stomach Turns... Either immaturity or jealousy at work, methinks. I have no clue as to your domestic arrangements, but it's your life and you've earned whatever comfort and adventure you care to take on. A 21 year old is his own man, and must decide for himself the course his life takes: he can bitch ashore, or swallow his foolish pride and beg you to crew for a few weeks at the start of your fabulous new adventure. Here I am at 42 with a two-year-old son, giving advice! Oh, well...I want to hit the sea like you before I'm 50 and 10 year old kids don't get a vote unless they stand four hour day watches and take noon sights for the old man...G R. |
Third Florida trip report (long, of course!)
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:33:57 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote: My grandfather remarried after my grandmother died to a lady who while she was 20 years younger was in her mid 50s and he was her third or fourth husband. She had way more money than my grandfather, so they signed a pre-nup. All her money would go to her kids and not to my grandfather, although she had a life tenancy (if she wanted it) to live in his house. So maybe that would be one way to remove that concern. Here's an irony: my middle-class father, ex-British Merchant Marine, is pushing 80 and was ten years older than my mother whom we lost last year to cancer. Typically, (he's a child of Depression and WWII Blitz in England) , he scrounged and saved and they didn't take the trips and activities they could well afford, because he thought he'd die first and leave her somehow destitute. Now, his pensions and savings and habitual economies mean that he will leave half-a-million each to me and my sister, because he didn't spend a cent when he could have and probably should have. So the likelihood is strong that the reason I myself will get something like Skip's ideal Morgan 46 (or some other similar Brewer or Wallstrom design, which I greatly favour for offshore cruising) is because he didn't spend money on my mother when she was alive and wanting nothing more than to travel to distant shores. I already have a decent Great Lakes cruiser. She could easily do the ICW to the Caribbean. I could refinance a decent ocean cruiser out of a nearly-paid-off house. So in sum, I wish they'd blown their savings on a well-earned good time and not left us an essentially redundant packet o' cash which will pay for frills like radar and nice things like college educations for their grandkids....essentially, any inheritance will bypass my generation to make life a little nicer for the kids he doesn't notice because he's in mourning for his dead wife. The lesson? Carpe ****ing diem, my friends, because it doesn't come around again. If you want it, go for it, and let no one bar your dream. To hell with waiting for 65...I'd rather be a poor cruiser in a decent boat while I can still haul a halyard. Good on you, Skip and Linda: fair winds and steady seas. Your story has been most instructive. R. |
Third Florida trip report (long, of course!)
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:33:57 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote: My grandfather remarried after my grandmother died to a lady who while she was 20 years younger was in her mid 50s and he was her third or fourth husband. She had way more money than my grandfather, so they signed a pre-nup. All her money would go to her kids and not to my grandfather, although she had a life tenancy (if she wanted it) to live in his house. So maybe that would be one way to remove that concern. Here's an irony: my middle-class father, ex-British Merchant Marine, is pushing 80 and was ten years older than my mother whom we lost last year to cancer. Typically, (he's a child of Depression and WWII Blitz in England) , he scrounged and saved and they didn't take the trips and activities they could well afford, because he thought he'd die first and leave her somehow destitute. Now, his pensions and savings and habitual economies mean that he will leave half-a-million each to me and my sister, because he didn't spend a cent when he could have and probably should have. So the likelihood is strong that the reason I myself will get something like Skip's ideal Morgan 46 (or some other similar Brewer or Wallstrom design, which I greatly favour for offshore cruising) is because he didn't spend money on my mother when she was alive and wanting nothing more than to travel to distant shores. I already have a decent Great Lakes cruiser. She could easily do the ICW to the Caribbean. I could refinance a decent ocean cruiser out of a nearly-paid-off house. So in sum, I wish they'd blown their savings on a well-earned good time and not left us an essentially redundant packet o' cash which will pay for frills like radar and nice things like college educations for their grandkids....essentially, any inheritance will bypass my generation to make life a little nicer for the kids he doesn't notice because he's in mourning for his dead wife. The lesson? Carpe ****ing diem, my friends, because it doesn't come around again. If you want it, go for it, and let no one bar your dream. To hell with waiting for 65...I'd rather be a poor cruiser in a decent boat while I can still haul a halyard. Good on you, Skip and Linda: fair winds and steady seas. Your story has been most instructive. R. |
Third Florida trip report (long, of course!)
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Third Florida trip report (long, of course!)
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Third Florida trip report (long, of course!)
Happy New Year, y'all (being a southerner for the last 25+ years, I can get
away with that. Since I'll be off and running over the annual changeover, I have to be premature about it) Here's the latest on what's happening chez nous for those hanging on my every word (yup, all three of them!)... "Skip Gundlach" wrote in message ink.net... Greetings... "Frank Maier" wrote in message om... Congratulations! Sounds like you've definitely found a winner. Now all ya gotta do is obtain an excellent example for a reasonable price and But, we're continuing our due diligence, and exploring options. We'll likely make a dash through the territories to visit the ones which have the most promise, and offer shortly after, early next month. We're going to do a very abbreviated dash. It will be through two locales in FL, only, over New Year's eve and the following couple of days. As is our wont, our last few holiday and weekend days have been spent in review of video, reports, layouts (including one set of copies of the original plans on one boat type) and our preferences, needs, and fantasies. After winnowing those which *could* work for us down to 4 top candidates, we then reviewed just what it was which motivated us the most and least about each. In the end, we decided to eliminate all the others and concentrate on the Morgan 46 class, without limiting the choices by specifying hull or rig, as each had their own benefits. Before that, I'd made contact with Charley Morgan himself, and had a lovely chat for quite a while with him. He was totally - other than by hearsay from owners who'd told him about theirs - uninformed about the boats, having retired long before they were produced by the company; he's not even sailed on one. However, he did give me several leads, which, by due diligence, I was able to track down, as well as find others from talking with them. Each of the ones I spoke with had been with the company at the time these were built. I was able to talk at great length with Pete Brown, the service manager for the entire production run as well as Quality Control supervisor for a period in the beginning; he's now a surveyor, and has surveyed several in recent times, so was a great help in knowing where to look for the (*very* few) potential challenges in these older yachts. I also spoke at length with the parts department manager and a few others who had been there, so learned a great deal about how these boats were made - which made me feel marvelously clever for selecting such a stout boat. This surveyor has surveyed a lot of them, but in particular, recently, two circumnavigators, one of which went around the hard way, with no canals. He asked the owner if there had been any special prep, and aside from renewing the usual stuff which gets old, there had been none, and despite carrying spares for nearly anything which might go wrong, none were needed. So, I have no doubt that, barring stupid disregard for normal maintenance, these will stand up to nearly anything we might encounter. All this dithering and not-running-out-and-buying-a-boat also produced two current owners of the Morgan 46 type we're targeting. One of them has graciously offered to take us sailing (as well as see how they deal with living aboard, full time, with a cat, too, and then going out sailing at the drop of a hat). The other of them has owned since new, and has offered to not only fill our heads with everything there is to know about them, and to come with us on a couple of the ones we're seeing, but show us how he spent 70k on his most recent refit. Both of these owners are in the same general area, so we'll have a very full couple of days immersing in M46iana. have yourselves a merry little xmas! We did, indeed, most of which was spent getting to the point above. However... :{)) We'll do that, despite that her kid(s? at least one, but he - the 21 year old college senior - claims it's all 4 of them) seems to have a bug up his rear about our doing this which has resulted, this weekend, in an ad hominem attack on me and my sanity and a threat, as well, should I continue in this course, along with an accusation that I'm stealing his mother's fortune (I'm buying the boat) - and, not incidentally, his mother :{)) I wrote him a note indicating that it would be appropriate to talk about what it was/is which is prompting all this. He replied with a laundry list, but most of it had to do with his nervousness about our ability to do this. His enumerated concerns were addressed one at a time. The other had to do with that he wished it wasn't happening quite so soon, for reasons he wasn't willing to spell out, but I think he's nervous about setting out on his own when he gets his first job after this, his senior year in college. It's being better to 'wait 5 years' was as close as he could come to that admission, so I asked for some specificity about what would (not 'might') change by waiting for any defined point in time. I've yet to hear back from him, but at least there's communication :{)) So, we're off to do our final looking. We'll see 4 boats in this mad dash, sail on another, and then spend a day or two in St. Augustine, our country's oldest city, to which - other than drive through - neither of us has been before, and then head home. We've got our Virgin Islands broker looking into the 3 over there, our NC broker, who says he can communicate with every owner of every boat made, and find us one if we don't get what we want the first time around, and our Annapolis (the one who 'rescued' me from the jerk I started with) broker looking into that area, so we're confident we'll have our boat if this trip doesn't do it for us. The earlier version of this referenced one example of a well-equipped long-distance cruiser with stuff no longer there and a non-pickled watermaker; that boat is still very high in contention, as we've also developed a contact for getting estimates on what it is we'd like done to it. I have doubts that it could be as much as the differences between it and the two high-priced spreads in FTL - but then, again, we'll talk at length with an owner who just spent 70k on his *second* (in 25 years) refit, so, perhaps it will be that much. Stay tuned... L8R Skip and Lydia, stomachs no longer turning, just jumping :{)) -- "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
Third Florida trip report (long, of course!)
Happy New Year, y'all (being a southerner for the last 25+ years, I can get
away with that. Since I'll be off and running over the annual changeover, I have to be premature about it) Here's the latest on what's happening chez nous for those hanging on my every word (yup, all three of them!)... "Skip Gundlach" wrote in message ink.net... Greetings... "Frank Maier" wrote in message om... Congratulations! Sounds like you've definitely found a winner. Now all ya gotta do is obtain an excellent example for a reasonable price and But, we're continuing our due diligence, and exploring options. We'll likely make a dash through the territories to visit the ones which have the most promise, and offer shortly after, early next month. We're going to do a very abbreviated dash. It will be through two locales in FL, only, over New Year's eve and the following couple of days. As is our wont, our last few holiday and weekend days have been spent in review of video, reports, layouts (including one set of copies of the original plans on one boat type) and our preferences, needs, and fantasies. After winnowing those which *could* work for us down to 4 top candidates, we then reviewed just what it was which motivated us the most and least about each. In the end, we decided to eliminate all the others and concentrate on the Morgan 46 class, without limiting the choices by specifying hull or rig, as each had their own benefits. Before that, I'd made contact with Charley Morgan himself, and had a lovely chat for quite a while with him. He was totally - other than by hearsay from owners who'd told him about theirs - uninformed about the boats, having retired long before they were produced by the company; he's not even sailed on one. However, he did give me several leads, which, by due diligence, I was able to track down, as well as find others from talking with them. Each of the ones I spoke with had been with the company at the time these were built. I was able to talk at great length with Pete Brown, the service manager for the entire production run as well as Quality Control supervisor for a period in the beginning; he's now a surveyor, and has surveyed several in recent times, so was a great help in knowing where to look for the (*very* few) potential challenges in these older yachts. I also spoke at length with the parts department manager and a few others who had been there, so learned a great deal about how these boats were made - which made me feel marvelously clever for selecting such a stout boat. This surveyor has surveyed a lot of them, but in particular, recently, two circumnavigators, one of which went around the hard way, with no canals. He asked the owner if there had been any special prep, and aside from renewing the usual stuff which gets old, there had been none, and despite carrying spares for nearly anything which might go wrong, none were needed. So, I have no doubt that, barring stupid disregard for normal maintenance, these will stand up to nearly anything we might encounter. All this dithering and not-running-out-and-buying-a-boat also produced two current owners of the Morgan 46 type we're targeting. One of them has graciously offered to take us sailing (as well as see how they deal with living aboard, full time, with a cat, too, and then going out sailing at the drop of a hat). The other of them has owned since new, and has offered to not only fill our heads with everything there is to know about them, and to come with us on a couple of the ones we're seeing, but show us how he spent 70k on his most recent refit. Both of these owners are in the same general area, so we'll have a very full couple of days immersing in M46iana. have yourselves a merry little xmas! We did, indeed, most of which was spent getting to the point above. However... :{)) We'll do that, despite that her kid(s? at least one, but he - the 21 year old college senior - claims it's all 4 of them) seems to have a bug up his rear about our doing this which has resulted, this weekend, in an ad hominem attack on me and my sanity and a threat, as well, should I continue in this course, along with an accusation that I'm stealing his mother's fortune (I'm buying the boat) - and, not incidentally, his mother :{)) I wrote him a note indicating that it would be appropriate to talk about what it was/is which is prompting all this. He replied with a laundry list, but most of it had to do with his nervousness about our ability to do this. His enumerated concerns were addressed one at a time. The other had to do with that he wished it wasn't happening quite so soon, for reasons he wasn't willing to spell out, but I think he's nervous about setting out on his own when he gets his first job after this, his senior year in college. It's being better to 'wait 5 years' was as close as he could come to that admission, so I asked for some specificity about what would (not 'might') change by waiting for any defined point in time. I've yet to hear back from him, but at least there's communication :{)) So, we're off to do our final looking. We'll see 4 boats in this mad dash, sail on another, and then spend a day or two in St. Augustine, our country's oldest city, to which - other than drive through - neither of us has been before, and then head home. We've got our Virgin Islands broker looking into the 3 over there, our NC broker, who says he can communicate with every owner of every boat made, and find us one if we don't get what we want the first time around, and our Annapolis (the one who 'rescued' me from the jerk I started with) broker looking into that area, so we're confident we'll have our boat if this trip doesn't do it for us. The earlier version of this referenced one example of a well-equipped long-distance cruiser with stuff no longer there and a non-pickled watermaker; that boat is still very high in contention, as we've also developed a contact for getting estimates on what it is we'd like done to it. I have doubts that it could be as much as the differences between it and the two high-priced spreads in FTL - but then, again, we'll talk at length with an owner who just spent 70k on his *second* (in 25 years) refit, so, perhaps it will be that much. Stay tuned... L8R Skip and Lydia, stomachs no longer turning, just jumping :{)) -- "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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