wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, "Bobsprit" wrote:

That [Fischer-Panda] generator is built by
Communist slave labor. * * *

What (if any) is the factual basis for this statement?

(Based at least on some still just preliminary querying, we were
considering buying one and yet might be influenced in whether to do so
by a well-supported answer to this question.)


There's very little in the PRC that isn't "built" by a horribly
exploited workforce. Pennies an hour if they're lucky, in most cases. If
I see a product I want and it says Made in China, I simply don't buy it.

--
Email sent to is never read.

Thanks for reminding me why I stopped reading alt.sailing.asa

-- Geoff

"Bobsprit" wrote in
link.net:

That generator is built by Communist slave labor.

No one in their right mind would buy one.

Why did you?

Blackmail may get your money back, but you are still dim witted for
buying one in the first place. Your website zealotry was merely an
attempt (failure) by you to overcompensate for your obvious
inadequacies. A real man would have taken the loss and thrown that
nightmare overboard.

Capt RB, ASA

"Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message
4.17...
I am happy to announce that I have reached a mutually agreeable
settlement with Fischer Panda regarding issues that I have had with
my 4.2 kW generator. Per the terms of the agreement I am required to
shut down the Fischer Panda Owner's Forum located at
www.FischerPandaSucks.com. I will do this on December 28, 2003.

I would like to thank all of the participants of the group. There
have been about 2000 visitors to the site and 86 posts in 29 topics.
Quite a bit of good information was posted, and I would like to
suggest to Fischer Panda that they consider creating their own forum.

I'm about to head off to the South Pacific to begin a
circumnavigation,
but
I can still be reached by e-mail.

Here's wishing everyone a wonderful holiday season and a Great New
Year!

-- Geoff Schultz
www.geoffschultz.org
(delete the "AT" from my return address to e-mail me)

On second thoughts - real men would jerk off on it before the deep-6
act - right Bob ?????


On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:08:11 GMT, "Bobsprit" wrote:

That generator is built by Communist slave labor.

No one in their right mind would buy one.

Why did you?

Blackmail may get your money back, but you are still dim witted for buying
one in the first place. Your website zealotry was merely an attempt
(failure) by you to overcompensate for your obvious inadequacies. A real man
would have taken the loss and thrown that nightmare overboard.

Capt RB, ASA

"Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message
04.17...
I am happy to announce that I have reached a mutually agreeable settlement
with Fischer Panda regarding issues that I have had with my 4.2 kW
generator. Per the terms of the agreement I am required to shut down the
Fischer Panda Owner's Forum located at www.FischerPandaSucks.com. I will
do this on December 28, 2003.

I would like to thank all of the participants of the group. There have
been about 2000 visitors to the site and 86 posts in 29 topics. Quite a
bit of good information was posted, and I would like to suggest to Fischer
Panda that they consider creating their own forum.

I'm about to head off to the South Pacific to begin a circumnavigation,
but
I can still be reached by e-mail.

Here's wishing everyone a wonderful holiday season and a Great New Year!

-- Geoff Schultz
www.geoffschultz.org
(delete the "AT" from my return address to e-mail me)

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, "Bobsprit" wrote:

That [Fischer-Panda] generator is built by
Communist slave labor. * * *

What (if any) is the factual basis for this statement?

(Based at least on some still just preliminary querying, we were
considering buying one and yet might be influenced in whether to do so
by a well-supported answer to this question.)

So your blackmail worked. Congratulations for
making future purchases by those who had nothing
to do with it much more expensive through litigation
and harassment. All because you were too inept to
properly maintain your genset.

S.Simon


"Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message 4.17...
I am happy to announce that I have reached a mutually agreeable settlement
with Fischer Panda regarding issues that I have had with my 4.2 kW
generator. Per the terms of the agreement I am required to shut down the
Fischer Panda Owner's Forum located at www.FischerPandaSucks.com. I will
do this on December 28, 2003.

I would like to thank all of the participants of the group. There have
been about 2000 visitors to the site and 86 posts in 29 topics. Quite a
bit of good information was posted, and I would like to suggest to Fischer
Panda that they consider creating their own forum.

I'm about to head off to the South Pacific to begin a circumnavigation, but
I can still be reached by e-mail.

Here's wishing everyone a wonderful holiday season and a Great New Year!

-- Geoff Schultz
www.geoffschultz.org
(delete the "AT" from my return address to e-mail me)

"Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message
4.17...
bit of good information was posted, and I would like to suggest to Fischer
Panda that they consider creating their own forum.


Vendor or Mfg's web forums are self-serving.. Just try to pose a question or
comment that might make their product look as bad as it is and see how it is
treated.. (The Cap'n forum is a good example of that.)..

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

That generator is built by Communist slave labor.

No one in their right mind would buy one.

Why did you?

Blackmail may get your money back, but you are still dim witted for buying
one in the first place. Your website zealotry was merely an attempt
(failure) by you to overcompensate for your obvious inadequacies. A real man
would have taken the loss and thrown that nightmare overboard.

Capt RB, ASA

"Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message
4.17...
I am happy to announce that I have reached a mutually agreeable settlement
with Fischer Panda regarding issues that I have had with my 4.2 kW
generator. Per the terms of the agreement I am required to shut down the
Fischer Panda Owner's Forum located at www.FischerPandaSucks.com. I will
do this on December 28, 2003.

I would like to thank all of the participants of the group. There have
been about 2000 visitors to the site and 86 posts in 29 topics. Quite a
bit of good information was posted, and I would like to suggest to Fischer
Panda that they consider creating their own forum.

I'm about to head off to the South Pacific to begin a circumnavigation,
but
I can still be reached by e-mail.

Here's wishing everyone a wonderful holiday season and a Great New Year!

-- Geoff Schultz
www.geoffschultz.org
(delete the "AT" from my return address to e-mail me)

I have a FP 12kW genset and out of interest read of Geoffs experience.
I have to say that from the evidence on the www from both FP and GS,
the installation does sound rather suspect and that water was being
drawn back into the engine. I have a couple of observations. FP
units are used by most Formula 1 racing teams in their motor homes and
many outside TV broadcasting vehicles. If they were not inherently
reliable, I am sure that another manufacturer would be used.
If you are going to have an engine, or genset in a boat why not follow
the KISS principle and use keel cooling and mirror how your car engine
is cooled by the environment in which it operates. No raw salt water
circuit at all - and put a water trap into the exhaust line so that
any water in the line does not get back to the engine.
I think he did too well - but I guess that is the sue anything/anyone
climate in the USA - rather than remotely accept any personal
responsibility in life.

I have a FP 12kW genset and out of interest read of Geoffs experience.
I have to say that from the evidence on the www from both FP and GS,
the installation does sound rather suspect and that water was being
drawn back into the engine. I have a couple of observations. FP
units are used by most Formula 1 racing teams in their motor homes and
many outside TV broadcasting vehicles. If they were not inherently
reliable, I am sure that another manufacturer would be used.
If you are going to have an engine, or genset in a boat why not follow
the KISS principle and use keel cooling and mirror how your car engine
is cooled by the environment in which it operates. No raw salt water
circuit at all - and put a water trap into the exhaust line so that
any water in the line does not get back to the engine.
I think he did too well - but I guess that is the sue anything/anyone
climate in the USA - rather than remotely accept any personal
responsibility in life.