On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:45:56 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Just an innocent question from a boat designer's point of view:

Why are heavily framed thick glass ports in the hull side, which can be
fitted with deadlight covers, bad while those gigantic superstructure
windows are OK?

They maybe ain't OK. Just how far into a wave are those big windows
likely to end up?

Casady

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:45:56 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Just an innocent question from a boat designer's point of view:

Why are heavily framed thick glass ports in the hull side, which can
be
fitted with deadlight covers, bad while those gigantic superstructure
windows are OK?

They maybe ain't OK. Just how far into a wave are those big windows
likely to end up?

Casady

Pilot houses with large expanses of glass are a DANGEROUS compromise on
cruising sailboats. Besides that, they generally are ugly as all get
out. . . Nothing ruins the lines of a sailboat worse than an ugly tall
pilothouse. It's tantamount to putting a penthouse on a ranch-style
house.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Larry" wrote in message
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Ain't it grand.

On Sep 14, 5:09 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

ps.com...



BTW I agree Bob, they need an education. Not much use navigating if
they can not read a chart and do a bit of math.. Then again, we need
someone to run the needle guns and flip burgers.

Have you turned into a moron lately, Joe? You say they need an
"education" as if an education was something you could actually receive
in public schools.

Woooooowww now. Any parent IMO can provide a better education, and
aboard a boat traveling the world will be the best. But the parents
have to as you state teach the the three R's, or better yet home
school teaching all the required courses that they can get a diploma
and move on to higher education if they so desire.


Stop for a moment and think how public schools have
very little to do with education nowadays. They're all about a
bureaucracy whereby incompetent teachers and administrators make large
salaries and do no educating. Rather, their jobs have become
indoctrinating young minds into the socialist agenda.

You failed to mention public shhools have become favorite shooting
grounds for the brain dead wackos.

Any children on a cruising yacht, with whom their parents spend two
hours a day teaching them the three R's, will be more highly educated
than the mind-numbed retards the public school system produces.


I agree 100% and hope the parents take the time and effort required.

And
combine that real education with the interaction they have with
different cultures and they will be far better human beings.

Indeed, the best education on earth, but in most cases not good
enough to land many rewarding careers. And unless the kids are super
smart and able to forge thier own path to success, not having a degree
will stymie them.

The only
problem I foresee is if the woman does all the teaching. The man should
do the lion's share of it.

I think both could add value.

Joe

Wilbur Hubbard

"Roger Long" wrote in
:

Those ports didn't leak or seem to cause any other problems aside from
a bit of condensation

OBVIOUSLY, they didn't come from Waste Marine, whos ports leak onto the
settee in a light mist at the marina dock...(c;

Larry
--
Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium"
The ultimate dirty bomb......

On Sep 14, 3:15 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
Good answer.

My experience with ports in the hull is lying in my bunk on large steel sail
training vessels looking first up at the water surface from below and then
at the moon and sea surface. Beautiful.

I hear you, I love a nice view. My only experience with porthole's in
the hull are also way..way above the water line and dock side.

Those ports didn't leak or seem to cause any other problems aside from a bit
of condensation and the dogs digging you in the back if you weren't careful.
I suppose it would be a lot to expect though for a low budget operation like
this to have proper port frames and deadlights. You probably would be
looking at a grand each or more for the kind of units that made them
workable on the ships I'm used to.

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/218...63212926oKkIeY

Close, I just did a bunch of replacing europe style windows with
portholes.

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/284...63212926JCMatQ

Drag wouldn't be a significant issue.

Yeah not much drag, but sailing around the world might add a mo. or
more... and a log could take out multiple ports if plastic as it
skirted the hull.

Joe

--
Roger Long

"Joe" wrote in message
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On Sep 14, 5:09 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

ps.com...



BTW I agree Bob, they need an education. Not much use navigating if
they can not read a chart and do a bit of math.. Then again, we
need
someone to run the needle guns and flip burgers.

Have you turned into a moron lately, Joe? You say they need an
"education" as if an education was something you could actually
receive
in public schools.

Woooooowww now. Any parent IMO can provide a better education, and
aboard a boat traveling the world will be the best. But the parents
have to as you state teach the the three R's, or better yet home
school teaching all the required courses that they can get a diploma
and move on to higher education if they so desire.


Stop for a moment and think how public schools have
very little to do with education nowadays. They're all about a
bureaucracy whereby incompetent teachers and administrators make
large
salaries and do no educating. Rather, their jobs have become
indoctrinating young minds into the socialist agenda.

You failed to mention public shhools have become favorite shooting
grounds for the brain dead wackos.

Any children on a cruising yacht, with whom their parents spend two
hours a day teaching them the three R's, will be more highly educated
than the mind-numbed retards the public school system produces.


I agree 100% and hope the parents take the time and effort required.

And
combine that real education with the interaction they have with
different cultures and they will be far better human beings.

Indeed, the best education on earth, but in most cases not good
enough to land many rewarding careers. And unless the kids are super
smart and able to forge thier own path to success, not having a degree
will stymie them.

The only
problem I foresee is if the woman does all the teaching. The man
should
do the lion's share of it.

I think both could add value.


Good reply, I guess I missed the sarcasm you intended in your other
reply.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Sep 14, 6:03 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Good reply, I guess I missed the sarcasm you intended in your other
reply.

Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text -


Dear Wilbur,

Im gonna have ta call bull**** on most ya said about public schools.
But I can only talk about Oregon public schools. But that don't seem
to stop you from yakking out ur ass.

Kids in Oregon public schools get an adequate education IF the parents
do their part. Kids gotta be ready to learn and sometime that don't
happen for all em. So who gets the blame when kid cant seem to learn?
1) the K-3 student for not knowing enough to be ready to learn.
2) the parent for not knowing 6 hours sleep for an 8 year old and
sugar for breakfast aint such a good idea.
3) The school for having 35 second grade students for one teacher
cause there's not enough money for more teachers. Oh, pay the teachers
less. That's a good idea cause they all make $100,000 per year. One-
two-three...... eyes on me Wilbur. My paychecks per month my first year
teaching 2001-02 school year take home was $1730. Why did I quit
teaching kids? Cause I never worked for so hard for so little in my
life. My family came first. So I quit.

But let me tell you. The kids in my class learned,,,,,,, or at least
the ones who were able to. Why were some not ready and able to learn.
Well 84% of the kids were so poor they qualified for free lunch.
Poverty makes for some pretty ignorant people. So yes, send the poly
hole's little ****s to public school (in Oregon) and they'll get a
damn decent education.

Or send them to a religious home schooler and when the kids want to go
to grad school they can answer all the questions on the GRE with , "It
is Gods will......"

In summary Willburr, how many hours have you actually spent in a
school classroom in the last 10 years?

Oh, I forgot you are were a teacher....or no uhhh, a Principal! Ya,
that's it a Principal. That's the ticket a Principal, yaaa .
Bob

On Sep 14, 12:45 pm, Joe wrote:

What's a poly ?

Oh, I was making a reference to the "poly amerous" quartet Ragina says
she is a member.



BTW I agree Bob, they need an education. Not much use navigating if
they can not read a chart and do a bit of math..

Then again, we need
someone to run the needle guns and flip burgers.


Roger that about the needle gun. But soon it will be only the guest
workers who know how to use one. Get this....... I was in a boat yard
a couple years back and watched an owner take a needle gun nto his
fiberglass hull. He was needle gunning blisters. Pretty noisy and left
the blisters lookning like a cubestake. Go figure.


Bob

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:20:41 -0700, Joe
wrote:

On Sep 14, 5:09 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

ps.com...



BTW I agree Bob, they need an education. Not much use navigating if
they can not read a chart and do a bit of math.. Then again, we need
someone to run the needle guns and flip burgers.

Have you turned into a moron lately, Joe? You say they need an
"education" as if an education was something you could actually receive
in public schools.

Woooooowww now. Any parent IMO can provide a better education, and
aboard a boat traveling the world will be the best. But the parents
have to as you state teach the the three R's, or better yet home
school teaching all the required courses that they can get a diploma
and move on to higher education if they so desire.


Stop for a moment and think how public schools have
very little to do with education nowadays. They're all about a
bureaucracy whereby incompetent teachers and administrators make large
salaries and do no educating. Rather, their jobs have become
indoctrinating young minds into the socialist agenda.

You failed to mention public shhools have become favorite shooting
grounds for the brain dead wackos.

Any children on a cruising yacht, with whom their parents spend two
hours a day teaching them the three R's, will be more highly educated
than the mind-numbed retards the public school system produces.


I agree 100% and hope the parents take the time and effort required.

And
combine that real education with the interaction they have with
different cultures and they will be far better human beings.

Indeed, the best education on earth, but in most cases not good
enough to land many rewarding careers. And unless the kids are super
smart and able to forge thier own path to success, not having a degree
will stymie them.

The only
problem I foresee is if the woman does all the teaching. The man should
do the lion's share of it.

I think both could add value.

Joe

Wilbur Hubbard


Based on the forty years, or so, I have lived outside the U.S. I'd say
that any interaction between American kids and local kids is minimal,
nearly nonexistent in fact. True, I know of one or two cases where
the families lived in a remote areas of town where there were no other
foreigners and the 5 year old played with the local kids and picked up
Japanese in a few months, but that was extremely rare.

Most foreign families outside the US live in foreign enclaves,
associate only with other foreigners, shop only in stores selling
foreign goods and the local culture has little or no effect on them.

I have also seen innumerable "home schooled" kids on yachts and I'd
guess that as far as the three R's go they are equal to kids educated
in America however few of them get much of any grounding in the
sciences or higher math.

I think if I had children young enough to go to school I'd be happy to
see them home schooled until about the age of 10-12 when I'd prefer to
have them in a formal school system.


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)