It seems to me someone on this group has actually filled their mast with
styrofoam peanuts. Not me though. If anyone else rembers any details of
this post away. I can't rember if they had internal halyards.

Don't try Parallax's spray foam experiment. You will never be able to keep
the halyards, etc. running free and if you can move them at all afterward
they will be horribly stiff (almost rigid) and very rough. Might work if
your only internal lines are wire and you use a strong solvent to clean the
wire after the foam cures/sets up. Me, I'd try a different solution.

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:26:38 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

Ok...dumb question....
If one of your halyards does break..how would you thread a new one up
through the mast channels?

Er, ah, we use gravity and feed it DOWN from the top?


Larry W4CSC

Is it just me or did the US and UK just capture 1/3
of the world's sweetest oil supply? What idiot wants to
GIVE IT BACK?!!

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:26:38 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

Ok...dumb question....
If one of your halyards does break..how would you thread a new one up
through the mast channels?

Er, ah, we use gravity and feed it DOWN from the top?


Larry W4CSC

Is it just me or did the US and UK just capture 1/3
of the world's sweetest oil supply? What idiot wants to
GIVE IT BACK?!!

In article ,
Rosalie B. wrote:

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Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:59:12 -0500, "Wim" wrote:

" Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
: their masts and are looking for solutions"


We have had a boat with 4 internal halyards for 14 seasons, and
chartered others before that. The only way we get slap is if the
outside part is left against the mast, never inside.

We also have internal halyards and we don't have slap per se, but we
do sometimes hear the halyards rattle inside the mast. I don't think
it can be heard off the boat, and it can only be heard on the boat if
it is relatively quiet.

Slap outside is something else, and usually you can see the marks that
whatever is slapping has made on the mast or boom or other part. We
tie our external halyards off on the pinrails except for the jib. We
have a little fender between it and the mast, and we also have it tied
out.

Just run your jib and spin halyards forward to the pulpit and the main
halyard to the boom end. The pole lift can go to the base of a
stanchion forward.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC
J36 Gjo/a


"Curse thee, thou quadrant. No longer will I guide my earthly way by thee."
Capt. Ahab

grandma Rosalie

The only real cure for this problem is cut the mast down.
There is a blowboat in the slip behind me that has a banging haylard. It
is so loud the whole marina knows which boat it is, the guy has been
asked to fix it, the dockmaster has retied it so it doesn't bang, many
times. Jerko goes out and reties it so it bangs.
A chain saw is the only anwser.

In article ,
Rosalie B. wrote:

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Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:59:12 -0500, "Wim" wrote:

" Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
: their masts and are looking for solutions"


We have had a boat with 4 internal halyards for 14 seasons, and
chartered others before that. The only way we get slap is if the
outside part is left against the mast, never inside.

We also have internal halyards and we don't have slap per se, but we
do sometimes hear the halyards rattle inside the mast. I don't think
it can be heard off the boat, and it can only be heard on the boat if
it is relatively quiet.

Slap outside is something else, and usually you can see the marks that
whatever is slapping has made on the mast or boom or other part. We
tie our external halyards off on the pinrails except for the jib. We
have a little fender between it and the mast, and we also have it tied
out.

Just run your jib and spin halyards forward to the pulpit and the main
halyard to the boom end. The pole lift can go to the base of a
stanchion forward.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC
J36 Gjo/a


"Curse thee, thou quadrant. No longer will I guide my earthly way by thee."
Capt. Ahab

grandma Rosalie

The only real cure for this problem is cut the mast down.
There is a blowboat in the slip behind me that has a banging haylard. It
is so loud the whole marina knows which boat it is, the guy has been
asked to fix it, the dockmaster has retied it so it doesn't bang, many
times. Jerko goes out and reties it so it bangs.
A chain saw is the only anwser.

Jake,

Let me start by saying that I have been a waterman and a sailor more
than fifty years.

-But-
The chain saw is a bad idea. Not that leaving the halyards slap is not
unbelievably inconsiderate, but if you were to cut through the mast, it
will fall. Because there will still be stays attached, it will most
likely go over the side. That will leave the cut end free to spear the
hull of the boat to one side and the truck to fall on the boat on the
other side.

Two options:

1. Get his vehicle disabled while he is sailing so he is forced to spend
the night on the boat.

2. Buy a big roll of the world's cheapest duck(t) tape (the kind that
does not peel well and leaves lots of sticky residue when removed) and
tightly wrap the the halyards to the mast as high as you can reach.

As you have metioned, the situation can be largely corrected with a very
small ammount of effort. A sailboat in a slip will make some wind noise
(even mine does) because it is not laying witht he wind as it would be
on a mooring. But there is no call to be inconsiderate of one's
neighbors.

Matt Colie A.Sloop "Bonne Ide'e"
Lifelong Waterman, Licensed Mariner and Perpetual Sailor


jake wrote:
In article ,
Rosalie B. wrote:


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Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:


On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:59:12 -0500, "Wim" wrote:


" Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
: their masts and are looking for solutions"


We have had a boat with 4 internal halyards for 14 seasons, and
chartered others before that. The only way we get slap is if the
outside part is left against the mast, never inside.

We also have internal halyards and we don't have slap per se, but we
do sometimes hear the halyards rattle inside the mast. I don't think
it can be heard off the boat, and it can only be heard on the boat if
it is relatively quiet.

Slap outside is something else, and usually you can see the marks that
whatever is slapping has made on the mast or boom or other part. We
tie our external halyards off on the pinrails except for the jib. We
have a little fender between it and the mast, and we also have it tied
out.

Just run your jib and spin halyards forward to the pulpit and the main
halyard to the boom end. The pole lift can go to the base of a
stanchion forward.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC
J36 Gjo/a


"Curse thee, thou quadrant. No longer will I guide my earthly way by thee."
Capt. Ahab

grandma Rosalie


The only real cure for this problem is cut the mast down.
There is a blowboat in the slip behind me that has a banging haylard. It
is so loud the whole marina knows which boat it is, the guy has been
asked to fix it, the dockmaster has retied it so it doesn't bang, many
times. Jerko goes out and reties it so it bangs.
A chain saw is the only anwser.

Jake,

Let me start by saying that I have been a waterman and a sailor more
than fifty years.

-But-
The chain saw is a bad idea. Not that leaving the halyards slap is not
unbelievably inconsiderate, but if you were to cut through the mast, it
will fall. Because there will still be stays attached, it will most
likely go over the side. That will leave the cut end free to spear the
hull of the boat to one side and the truck to fall on the boat on the
other side.

Two options:

1. Get his vehicle disabled while he is sailing so he is forced to spend
the night on the boat.

2. Buy a big roll of the world's cheapest duck(t) tape (the kind that
does not peel well and leaves lots of sticky residue when removed) and
tightly wrap the the halyards to the mast as high as you can reach.

As you have metioned, the situation can be largely corrected with a very
small ammount of effort. A sailboat in a slip will make some wind noise
(even mine does) because it is not laying witht he wind as it would be
on a mooring. But there is no call to be inconsiderate of one's
neighbors.

Matt Colie A.Sloop "Bonne Ide'e"
Lifelong Waterman, Licensed Mariner and Perpetual Sailor


jake wrote:
In article ,
Rosalie B. wrote:


x-no-archive:yes

Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:


On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:59:12 -0500, "Wim" wrote:


" Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
: their masts and are looking for solutions"


We have had a boat with 4 internal halyards for 14 seasons, and
chartered others before that. The only way we get slap is if the
outside part is left against the mast, never inside.

We also have internal halyards and we don't have slap per se, but we
do sometimes hear the halyards rattle inside the mast. I don't think
it can be heard off the boat, and it can only be heard on the boat if
it is relatively quiet.

Slap outside is something else, and usually you can see the marks that
whatever is slapping has made on the mast or boom or other part. We
tie our external halyards off on the pinrails except for the jib. We
have a little fender between it and the mast, and we also have it tied
out.

Just run your jib and spin halyards forward to the pulpit and the main
halyard to the boom end. The pole lift can go to the base of a
stanchion forward.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC
J36 Gjo/a


"Curse thee, thou quadrant. No longer will I guide my earthly way by thee."
Capt. Ahab

grandma Rosalie


The only real cure for this problem is cut the mast down.
There is a blowboat in the slip behind me that has a banging haylard. It
is so loud the whole marina knows which boat it is, the guy has been
asked to fix it, the dockmaster has retied it so it doesn't bang, many
times. Jerko goes out and reties it so it bangs.
A chain saw is the only anwser.

NO,NO, NO, and NO. Drill holes in your mast? Inject foam? What are you
smoking?.Bite the bullit and un step the mast. If your internal wires
are slapping, wrap the wire bundle in pipe insulation and get gigunda
wire ties from Home Depot. Attach 4 wire ties every 5' at 90* to each
other. The will act as a standoff. If the halyards are slapping, tie
the shackle to the toerail away from the mast and put a good strain on
it.

On 23 Jan 2004 09:33:53 -0800, (Parallax)
wrote:

Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
their masts and are looking for solutions. Strangely, this has never
bothered me but I may have a solution.

Get several cans of that expanding foam (product name "Great Stuff").
Every 10' or so drill a tiny hole in the mast large enough for the
nozzle to fit. Push the nozzle in far enough to squirt a dab on the
opposite internal mast wall, on the side wall and opposite wall and
withdraw the nozzle to put a little just inside the hole. Allow it to
set. Push the nozzle through the dried foam at the hole till it is
above the four foam spots and inject enough to form a blob filling the
cross section at the mast. It will be held in place by the four
hardened blobs. Let it begin to set but work th halyards up and down
as it sets.

I have not tried this but might if the slap ever bothers me.

DBO

NO,NO, NO, and NO. Drill holes in your mast? Inject foam? What are you
smoking?.Bite the bullit and un step the mast. If your internal wires
are slapping, wrap the wire bundle in pipe insulation and get gigunda
wire ties from Home Depot. Attach 4 wire ties every 5' at 90* to each
other. The will act as a standoff. If the halyards are slapping, tie
the shackle to the toerail away from the mast and put a good strain on
it.

On 23 Jan 2004 09:33:53 -0800, (Parallax)
wrote:

Mnay ppl have complained about slapping of halyards and wires inside
their masts and are looking for solutions. Strangely, this has never
bothered me but I may have a solution.

Get several cans of that expanding foam (product name "Great Stuff").
Every 10' or so drill a tiny hole in the mast large enough for the
nozzle to fit. Push the nozzle in far enough to squirt a dab on the
opposite internal mast wall, on the side wall and opposite wall and
withdraw the nozzle to put a little just inside the hole. Allow it to
set. Push the nozzle through the dried foam at the hole till it is
above the four foam spots and inject enough to form a blob filling the
cross section at the mast. It will be held in place by the four
hardened blobs. Let it begin to set but work th halyards up and down
as it sets.

I have not tried this but might if the slap ever bothers me.

DBO

Matt Colie wrote:

Two options:

1. Get his vehicle disabled while he is sailing so he is forced to
spend the night on the boat.

2. Buy a big roll of the world's cheapest duck(t) tape (the kind
that does not peel well and leaves lots of sticky residue when
removed) and tightly wrap the the halyards to the mast as high as
you can reach.

I like your suggestions, but it seems to me that they should only be carried
out by a well-armed individual.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.tripod.com