eric, this discussion is about --- radar on cell phones ---!!! *you* need
frickin' cell phone to tell you that there is a thunderstorm in the 'hood,
*you* need to stay tied to the dock. Period.

JAX, Apparently, in addition to not being able to think too clearly,
you can't read very well. Surprising for someone who can see storm
clouds from 300 nm away!

I see thunderstorms most afternoons all summer. That is why it is
impractical, if you want to sail at all in the South in the summer, to
say that you are not going to venture out when there is the threat of
a thuderstorm. I've seen enough of them to know that every now and
then they do sneak up on you - not every one but it only takes one.
Any tool that helps you avoid one is a tool worth considering.

Eric


(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
eric, it seems you have seen just two thunderstorms in your life, and one
of
them came "unexpectedly".

Trust me, eric, thunderstorms don't just "happen". I doubt I have been
surprised by one since I was 8 years old.

If you could see it you would have 16 1/2 hours (and if it was only
moving at 10 knots - that's pretty slow for a thunderstorm). The
point is - typical visibility at the surface is 7 to 10 miles on a
very clear day. With summer haze it is frequently much less than
that. If the storm moves 20 miles an hour (not all that fast for a
thunderstorm), 10 mile visibility gives me 1/2 hour. Moving at 6
knots, I can move my boat a little over three miles in that 1/2 hour.

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
yeah, right. at 165 nm way an 10 knots speed it will only take 16-1/2
hours
for a thunderstorm to get to you. FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR too
quickly
for you react. You really should buy a cell phone to tell you that a
storm
is
on its way and may hit you sometime tomorrown afternoon.

Gosh, maybe I need new glasses - when I'm in the Bay off Annapolis, I
just can't see those clouds over Morgantown, West Virginia - a mere
165 nm away.

In fact, from the top of Old Rag mountain at over 3200 feet, most days
I can't make out Washington, D.C. a mere 70 miles away (needless to
say, I don't do this in a sailboat).

Maybe I need Lasik!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see
a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes,
which
means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can
be
seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are
coming,
if
one just pays attention.

eric, if you mind very much how about from now on you refer to you as
chicken**** instead of as eric.

Stay tied to the dock. Period. You are not qualified to be a sailor if you
need a cell phone to tell you there is a thunderstorm in the 'hood.




And I most certainly would not trust you, or your judgement about weather!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
eric, it seems you have seen just two thunderstorms in your life, and one
of
them came "unexpectedly".

Trust me, eric, thunderstorms don't just "happen". I doubt I have been
surprised by one since I was 8 years old.

If you could see it you would have 16 1/2 hours (and if it was only
moving at 10 knots - that's pretty slow for a thunderstorm). The
point is - typical visibility at the surface is 7 to 10 miles on a
very clear day. With summer haze it is frequently much less than
that. If the storm moves 20 miles an hour (not all that fast for a
thunderstorm), 10 mile visibility gives me 1/2 hour. Moving at 6
knots, I can move my boat a little over three miles in that 1/2 hour.

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
yeah, right. at 165 nm way an 10 knots speed it will only take 16-1/2
hours
for a thunderstorm to get to you. FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR too
quickly
for you react. You really should buy a cell phone to tell you that a
storm
is
on its way and may hit you sometime tomorrown afternoon.

Gosh, maybe I need new glasses - when I'm in the Bay off Annapolis, I
just can't see those clouds over Morgantown, West Virginia - a mere
165 nm away.

In fact, from the top of Old Rag mountain at over 3200 feet, most days
I can't make out Washington, D.C. a mere 70 miles away (needless to
say, I don't do this in a sailboat).

Maybe I need Lasik!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see
a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes,
which
means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can
be
seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are
coming,
if
one just pays attention.

eric, if you mind very much how about from now on you refer to you as
chicken**** instead of as eric.

Stay tied to the dock. Period. You are not qualified to be a sailor if you
need a cell phone to tell you there is a thunderstorm in the 'hood.




And I most certainly would not trust you, or your judgement about weather!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
eric, it seems you have seen just two thunderstorms in your life, and one
of
them came "unexpectedly".

Trust me, eric, thunderstorms don't just "happen". I doubt I have been
surprised by one since I was 8 years old.

If you could see it you would have 16 1/2 hours (and if it was only
moving at 10 knots - that's pretty slow for a thunderstorm). The
point is - typical visibility at the surface is 7 to 10 miles on a
very clear day. With summer haze it is frequently much less than
that. If the storm moves 20 miles an hour (not all that fast for a
thunderstorm), 10 mile visibility gives me 1/2 hour. Moving at 6
knots, I can move my boat a little over three miles in that 1/2 hour.

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
yeah, right. at 165 nm way an 10 knots speed it will only take 16-1/2
hours
for a thunderstorm to get to you. FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR too
quickly
for you react. You really should buy a cell phone to tell you that a
storm
is
on its way and may hit you sometime tomorrown afternoon.

Gosh, maybe I need new glasses - when I'm in the Bay off Annapolis, I
just can't see those clouds over Morgantown, West Virginia - a mere
165 nm away.

In fact, from the top of Old Rag mountain at over 3200 feet, most days
I can't make out Washington, D.C. a mere 70 miles away (needless to
say, I don't do this in a sailboat).

Maybe I need Lasik!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see
a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes,
which
means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can
be
seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are
coming,
if
one just pays attention.

I sailed end to end last summer, and sailed The Great Chesapeake Bay Schooner
Race, Annapolis to Norfolk, the year before in winds against the current up to
35 knots gusting to 40, and then back to Annapolis.

Long Island Sound gets thunderstorm, too. In addition, in the Midwest where I
spent the first 3-1/2 decades of my life summertime afternoon thunderstorms
very frequent and well watched because they sometimes spit out tornadoes.

I have also been through the typhoon season in SE Asia.

thunderstorms are --- easy --- to see coming -- without a cell phone to tell
you -- if you just pay attention.

Je

JAX has never sailed on the Chesapeake in the summer. Some on this
list might argue he's never sailed anything other than a keyboard but
I leave that to them.

Eric

Jere Lull wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Eric) wrote:

Climate is very different as you move a bit further South. There is
good likelihood of thunderstorms every day for most of the summer.
Staying off the water when NWS says there's a chance of thunderstorms
means you don't sail at all in the summer.

Ain't THAT the truth! One day last season, the prediction was only 20%
chance of afternoon showers and thunderstorms. We were so shocked;
didn't know their equipment COULD predict less than 30% in the summer.

Last year was a real PITA. Friends (powerboaters, no less) who get out
more than us some years, found fewer than a dozen days with good enough
forecasts. We pushed the envelope a bit, sometimes skittering out
between cells, but only got out about 60 days including our annual 2
week honeymoon. (only 3 of those 18 days in June were clear and warm.)
Didn't go very far, either.

I sailed end to end last summer, and sailed The Great Chesapeake Bay Schooner
Race, Annapolis to Norfolk, the year before in winds against the current up to
35 knots gusting to 40, and then back to Annapolis.

Long Island Sound gets thunderstorm, too. In addition, in the Midwest where I
spent the first 3-1/2 decades of my life summertime afternoon thunderstorms
very frequent and well watched because they sometimes spit out tornadoes.

I have also been through the typhoon season in SE Asia.

thunderstorms are --- easy --- to see coming -- without a cell phone to tell
you -- if you just pay attention.

Je

JAX has never sailed on the Chesapeake in the summer. Some on this
list might argue he's never sailed anything other than a keyboard but
I leave that to them.

Eric

Jere Lull wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Eric) wrote:

Climate is very different as you move a bit further South. There is
good likelihood of thunderstorms every day for most of the summer.
Staying off the water when NWS says there's a chance of thunderstorms
means you don't sail at all in the summer.

Ain't THAT the truth! One day last season, the prediction was only 20%
chance of afternoon showers and thunderstorms. We were so shocked;
didn't know their equipment COULD predict less than 30% in the summer.

Last year was a real PITA. Friends (powerboaters, no less) who get out
more than us some years, found fewer than a dozen days with good enough
forecasts. We pushed the envelope a bit, sometimes skittering out
between cells, but only got out about 60 days including our annual 2
week honeymoon. (only 3 of those 18 days in June were clear and warm.)
Didn't go very far, either.

Jax:

I just love a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
eric, if you mind very much how about from now on you refer to you as
chicken**** instead of as eric.

Stay tied to the dock. Period. You are not qualified to be a sailor if you
need a cell phone to tell you there is a thunderstorm in the 'hood.




And I most certainly would not trust you, or your judgement about weather!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
eric, it seems you have seen just two thunderstorms in your life, and one

of
them came "unexpectedly".

Trust me, eric, thunderstorms don't just "happen". I doubt I have been
surprised by one since I was 8 years old.

If you could see it you would have 16 1/2 hours (and if it was only
moving at 10 knots - that's pretty slow for a thunderstorm). The
point is - typical visibility at the surface is 7 to 10 miles on a
very clear day. With summer haze it is frequently much less than
that. If the storm moves 20 miles an hour (not all that fast for a
thunderstorm), 10 mile visibility gives me 1/2 hour. Moving at 6
knots, I can move my boat a little over three miles in that 1/2 hour.

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
yeah, right. at 165 nm way an 10 knots speed it will only take 16-1/2
hours
for a thunderstorm to get to you. FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR too
quickly
for you react. You really should buy a cell phone to tell you that a
storm
is
on its way and may hit you sometime tomorrown afternoon.

Gosh, maybe I need new glasses - when I'm in the Bay off Annapolis, I
just can't see those clouds over Morgantown, West Virginia - a mere
165 nm away.

In fact, from the top of Old Rag mountain at over 3200 feet, most days
I can't make out Washington, D.C. a mere 70 miles away (needless to
say, I don't do this in a sailboat).

Maybe I need Lasik!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see
a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes,
which
means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can
be
seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are
coming,
if
one just pays attention.

Jax:

I just love a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
eric, if you mind very much how about from now on you refer to you as
chicken**** instead of as eric.

Stay tied to the dock. Period. You are not qualified to be a sailor if you
need a cell phone to tell you there is a thunderstorm in the 'hood.




And I most certainly would not trust you, or your judgement about weather!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
eric, it seems you have seen just two thunderstorms in your life, and one

of
them came "unexpectedly".

Trust me, eric, thunderstorms don't just "happen". I doubt I have been
surprised by one since I was 8 years old.

If you could see it you would have 16 1/2 hours (and if it was only
moving at 10 knots - that's pretty slow for a thunderstorm). The
point is - typical visibility at the surface is 7 to 10 miles on a
very clear day. With summer haze it is frequently much less than
that. If the storm moves 20 miles an hour (not all that fast for a
thunderstorm), 10 mile visibility gives me 1/2 hour. Moving at 6
knots, I can move my boat a little over three miles in that 1/2 hour.

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
yeah, right. at 165 nm way an 10 knots speed it will only take 16-1/2
hours
for a thunderstorm to get to you. FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR too
quickly
for you react. You really should buy a cell phone to tell you that a
storm
is
on its way and may hit you sometime tomorrown afternoon.

Gosh, maybe I need new glasses - when I'm in the Bay off Annapolis, I
just can't see those clouds over Morgantown, West Virginia - a mere
165 nm away.

In fact, from the top of Old Rag mountain at over 3200 feet, most days
I can't make out Washington, D.C. a mere 70 miles away (needless to
say, I don't do this in a sailboat).

Maybe I need Lasik!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to see
a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet sometimes,
which
means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds can
be
seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they are
coming,
if
one just pays attention.

say what you wish, but at this point the entire planet knows you are scared to
death of the water. Buy ALL the "safety" equipment you can find, dude. please
spend, and spend, and spend until your boat sinks at the dock with no chance to
ever become a floating navigation hazzard.

Jax:

I just love a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
eric, if you mind very much how about from now on you refer to you as
chicken**** instead of as eric.

Stay tied to the dock. Period. You are not qualified to be a sailor if
you
need a cell phone to tell you there is a thunderstorm in the 'hood.




And I most certainly would not trust you, or your judgement about weather!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
eric, it seems you have seen just two thunderstorms in your life, and
one

of
them came "unexpectedly".

Trust me, eric, thunderstorms don't just "happen". I doubt I have been
surprised by one since I was 8 years old.

If you could see it you would have 16 1/2 hours (and if it was only
moving at 10 knots - that's pretty slow for a thunderstorm). The
point is - typical visibility at the surface is 7 to 10 miles on a
very clear day. With summer haze it is frequently much less than
that. If the storm moves 20 miles an hour (not all that fast for a
thunderstorm), 10 mile visibility gives me 1/2 hour. Moving at 6
knots, I can move my boat a little over three miles in that 1/2 hour.

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
yeah, right. at 165 nm way an 10 knots speed it will only take
16-1/2
hours
for a thunderstorm to get to you. FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
too
quickly
for you react. You really should buy a cell phone to tell you that a
storm
is
on its way and may hit you sometime tomorrown afternoon.

Gosh, maybe I need new glasses - when I'm in the Bay off Annapolis,
I
just can't see those clouds over Morgantown, West Virginia - a mere
165 nm away.

In fact, from the top of Old Rag mountain at over 3200 feet, most
days
I can't make out Washington, D.C. a mere 70 miles away (needless to
say, I don't do this in a sailboat).

Maybe I need Lasik!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to
see
a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet
sometimes,
which
means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds
can
be
seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they
are
coming,
if
one just pays attention.

say what you wish, but at this point the entire planet knows you are scared to
death of the water. Buy ALL the "safety" equipment you can find, dude. please
spend, and spend, and spend until your boat sinks at the dock with no chance to
ever become a floating navigation hazzard.

Jax:

I just love a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
eric, if you mind very much how about from now on you refer to you as
chicken**** instead of as eric.

Stay tied to the dock. Period. You are not qualified to be a sailor if
you
need a cell phone to tell you there is a thunderstorm in the 'hood.




And I most certainly would not trust you, or your judgement about weather!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
eric, it seems you have seen just two thunderstorms in your life, and
one

of
them came "unexpectedly".

Trust me, eric, thunderstorms don't just "happen". I doubt I have been
surprised by one since I was 8 years old.

If you could see it you would have 16 1/2 hours (and if it was only
moving at 10 knots - that's pretty slow for a thunderstorm). The
point is - typical visibility at the surface is 7 to 10 miles on a
very clear day. With summer haze it is frequently much less than
that. If the storm moves 20 miles an hour (not all that fast for a
thunderstorm), 10 mile visibility gives me 1/2 hour. Moving at 6
knots, I can move my boat a little over three miles in that 1/2 hour.

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
yeah, right. at 165 nm way an 10 knots speed it will only take
16-1/2
hours
for a thunderstorm to get to you. FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
too
quickly
for you react. You really should buy a cell phone to tell you that a
storm
is
on its way and may hit you sometime tomorrown afternoon.

Gosh, maybe I need new glasses - when I'm in the Bay off Annapolis,
I
just can't see those clouds over Morgantown, West Virginia - a mere
165 nm away.

In fact, from the top of Old Rag mountain at over 3200 feet, most
days
I can't make out Washington, D.C. a mere 70 miles away (needless to
say, I don't do this in a sailboat).

Maybe I need Lasik!

Eric

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
There are lots of places where people sail and it's difficult to
see
a
thunderstorm coming

bull****. Thunderstorm clouds go as high as 60,000 feet
sometimes,
which
means
they can be seen up to 300 nm away. Even 10,000 foot high clouds
can
be
seen
up to 122 nm away. Can't see that coming?

And there are many places where the potential
exists every day in the summer

thunderstorms don't form inside of 30 seconds. You *KNOW* they
are
coming,
if
one just pays attention.

Jax, you lost that one! Ha!!