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"Karin Conover-Lewis" wrote:

Rosalie

Okay, someone else also mentioned linseed oil. The problem is that in all
the shops where I've been where oily rags were generated, none of them had
linseed oil on them except in oil painting. In every other case it was
either mineral oil or other petroleum-based oils. Yet we always had to put
them in the "Oily Rags Can," which as I recall was a can with water in it,
for pick-up by the shop-rag service. On the boat I use Penetrol quite a
bit -- which may very well have linseed oil in it -- and they specifically
warn about spontaneous combustion with it.

That's because of OSHA regulations rather than because it is actually
necessary. (I was an OSHA inspector for the last 14 years before I
retired.) And also because of CYA on the MSDSs. No one wants to go
out on a limb and say it isn't possible with petroleum based oils. At
least that's MHO.

In any case the oil has to BOTH be able to oxidize (i.e. air is
present) in an exothermic reaction which produces considerable heat,
AND the rag has to be scrunched up so that there's no way for the heat
to escape.

I'll have to look at the Penetrol can and see what it says. I'd be
surprised if it had linseed oil in it, because I thought it was mostly
synthetic.


grandma Rosalie

Interesting. So as long as I don't have linseed oil onboard, let rags dry
flat as much as practicable and generally just keep them stored in an
airtight container, I don't have anything to worry about?

--
Karin Conover-Lewis
Fair and Balanced since 1959
klc dot lewis at centurytel dot net


"Rosalie B." wrote in message
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"Karin Conover-Lewis" wrote:

Rosalie

Okay, someone else also mentioned linseed oil. The problem is that in all
the shops where I've been where oily rags were generated, none of them
had
linseed oil on them except in oil painting. In every other case it was
either mineral oil or other petroleum-based oils. Yet we always had to
put
them in the "Oily Rags Can," which as I recall was a can with water in
it,
for pick-up by the shop-rag service. On the boat I use Penetrol quite a
bit -- which may very well have linseed oil in it -- and they
specifically
warn about spontaneous combustion with it.

That's because of OSHA regulations rather than because it is actually
necessary. (I was an OSHA inspector for the last 14 years before I
retired.) And also because of CYA on the MSDSs. No one wants to go
out on a limb and say it isn't possible with petroleum based oils. At
least that's MHO.

In any case the oil has to BOTH be able to oxidize (i.e. air is
present) in an exothermic reaction which produces considerable heat,
AND the rag has to be scrunched up so that there's no way for the heat
to escape.

I'll have to look at the Penetrol can and see what it says. I'd be
surprised if it had linseed oil in it, because I thought it was mostly
synthetic.


grandma Rosalie

Interesting. So as long as I don't have linseed oil onboard, let rags dry
flat as much as practicable and generally just keep them stored in an
airtight container, I don't have anything to worry about?

--
Karin Conover-Lewis
Fair and Balanced since 1959
klc dot lewis at centurytel dot net


"Rosalie B." wrote in message
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"Karin Conover-Lewis" wrote:

Rosalie

Okay, someone else also mentioned linseed oil. The problem is that in all
the shops where I've been where oily rags were generated, none of them
had
linseed oil on them except in oil painting. In every other case it was
either mineral oil or other petroleum-based oils. Yet we always had to
put
them in the "Oily Rags Can," which as I recall was a can with water in
it,
for pick-up by the shop-rag service. On the boat I use Penetrol quite a
bit -- which may very well have linseed oil in it -- and they
specifically
warn about spontaneous combustion with it.

That's because of OSHA regulations rather than because it is actually
necessary. (I was an OSHA inspector for the last 14 years before I
retired.) And also because of CYA on the MSDSs. No one wants to go
out on a limb and say it isn't possible with petroleum based oils. At
least that's MHO.

In any case the oil has to BOTH be able to oxidize (i.e. air is
present) in an exothermic reaction which produces considerable heat,
AND the rag has to be scrunched up so that there's no way for the heat
to escape.

I'll have to look at the Penetrol can and see what it says. I'd be
surprised if it had linseed oil in it, because I thought it was mostly
synthetic.


grandma Rosalie

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"Karin Conover-Lewis" wrote:

Interesting. So as long as I don't have linseed oil onboard, let rags dry
flat as much as practicable and generally just keep them stored in an
airtight container, I don't have anything to worry about?

IMHO yes - but if you do have a problem - don't sue me.g


grandma Rosalie

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"Karin Conover-Lewis" wrote:

Interesting. So as long as I don't have linseed oil onboard, let rags dry
flat as much as practicable and generally just keep them stored in an
airtight container, I don't have anything to worry about?

IMHO yes - but if you do have a problem - don't sue me.g


grandma Rosalie

Oh, sure! NOW you say that. lol

--
Karin Conover-Lewis
Fair and Balanced since 1959
klc dot lewis at centurytel dot net


"Rosalie B." wrote in message
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"Karin Conover-Lewis" wrote:

Interesting. So as long as I don't have linseed oil onboard, let rags dry
flat as much as practicable and generally just keep them stored in an
airtight container, I don't have anything to worry about?

IMHO yes - but if you do have a problem - don't sue me.g


grandma Rosalie

Oh, sure! NOW you say that. lol

--
Karin Conover-Lewis
Fair and Balanced since 1959
klc dot lewis at centurytel dot net


"Rosalie B." wrote in message
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"Karin Conover-Lewis" wrote:

Interesting. So as long as I don't have linseed oil onboard, let rags dry
flat as much as practicable and generally just keep them stored in an
airtight container, I don't have anything to worry about?

IMHO yes - but if you do have a problem - don't sue me.g


grandma Rosalie

Hi,

How about a list of stuff that broke while cruising and tools you
wished you had but didn't...

cheers,
Pete.

Hi,

How about a list of stuff that broke while cruising and tools you
wished you had but didn't...

cheers,
Pete.

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Pete C wrote:

Hi,

How about a list of stuff that broke while cruising and tools you
wished you had but didn't...

Mine has that. The most troublesome things are belts that stretch or
slip on the engine driven refrigeration, etc. And the other recurrent
problems are electrical (mostly loose connections), and wear an tear
on the cockpit enclosure causing stitching to rot or give way which
leads to leaks.

When we left on the first trip south, the refrigeration and the VHF
didn't work. We used the old VHF until we figured out the problem
with the new one (inadequate wiring). We used ice until we got the
refrigeration fixed.

The throttle cable broke, and Bob jury rigged one until he could get
to a marina to get a new one.

Various engine gauges lie about what the engine is doing. He uses the
infrared thermometer to ascertain the real situation.

Alternator bracket broke while we were under power and he got it
rewelded and ordered a spare when we got in to the marina.

Depth gauge didn't work because of a loose connection and barnacles on
the transducer.

Water pressure pump broke making the passage offshore from Charleston
to Florida, and was replaced when we got to port.

Bob has rebuilt the marine head and replaced the joker valve at
anchor.

Things that we wished we had which we have now - mast steps. After
the time I cross the lines on the winch (not knowing about the fact
that it doesn't reverse) with Bob about 10 feet off the deck in the
bosn's chair. Not exactly a tool I guess. He also found the bosn's
chair very uncomfortable and now has a climber's harness which is
padded.


Incidentally, Lynn Pardee addresses this in her books (don't remember
which one) but they have a lot more wood working tools than most would
have because Larry does earn cruising money by building boats etc.


grandma Rosalie