My apologies. Though I know that this has seen the light of day here in the
past, my expected source for copied charts seems ephemeral if not
unavailable, after all (unless I want to fly to Chicago and go the library
there and live on the copiers up *there* - I'm near Atlanta - for however
long it would take).

So, in the past, I think I recall that governmental charts are available for
download and printing. I've got a potential source for large-scale printing
at an economical rate, so I'd like to explore that opportunity.

However, I've not been able to discover a catalog which could identify which
charts I'd want. The general area I'm interested in is the Eastern
Caribbean, essentially from the Bahamas to Venezuela - including the keys
and Cuba, and on the other end, the ABCs, if that's not already part of the
definition.

Does anyone have a URL for that catalog, and also the way to find how to
download the ones of interest? I've tried to search for DMA, NEMA, NOAA and
others, and even called the governmental office, which led me to a useless
FAA site.

Failing the above, I'd be interested, actually, probably more, in knowing
where to find charts and a large-scale copier in the Atlanta area (in the
same location - I have found a couple of university reference departments
with charts, but no catalog, and no copier).

Thanks...

L8R

Skip


--
"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a clear
night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize that you are
quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to you that in the
general scheme of things you are merely an insignificant speck on the
surface of the ocean; and are not nearly so important or as self-sufficient
as you thought you were. Which is an exceedingly wholesome thought, and one
that may effect a permanent change in your deportment that will be greatly
appreciated by your friends."- James S. Pitkin

The areas you mentioned are mostly outside the US and there for the charts
would not be NOAA but of the nation that has jurisdiction over that area...

Admittedly they US does have some foriegn chart coverage but that usually
falls under the Defense Mapping Agency.. If these charts are non-classified
they would also be in the public domain but so far I haven't seen any
available for down load.

While it is legal to copy and reproduce (download) a US chart or
document/publication, it may not be so for those produced by a forgien
government or agency.. Canada is an example of this..

Regarding printing of charts, I have recently discovered that my favorite
copy shop now has large format scanner and printer.. Not only can I get a
paper b/w copy of the original, but they can also give me the .tif files for
that chart. My point, I could borrow charts, copy them and maintain a .tif
libary of these charts to run with Fagawi or have replacement copies printed
at a later date. Cost of scanning and printing a large format chart is
presently $4 each however the cost of just scanning should be half or less
that amount (I haven't ask about yet). Also you can print from .tif on an
odinary PC printer and tap section together if you just need a small area..


--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

The areas you mentioned are mostly outside the US and there for the charts
would not be NOAA but of the nation that has jurisdiction over that area...

Admittedly they US does have some foriegn chart coverage but that usually
falls under the Defense Mapping Agency.. If these charts are non-classified
they would also be in the public domain but so far I haven't seen any
available for down load.

While it is legal to copy and reproduce (download) a US chart or
document/publication, it may not be so for those produced by a forgien
government or agency.. Canada is an example of this..

Regarding printing of charts, I have recently discovered that my favorite
copy shop now has large format scanner and printer.. Not only can I get a
paper b/w copy of the original, but they can also give me the .tif files for
that chart. My point, I could borrow charts, copy them and maintain a .tif
libary of these charts to run with Fagawi or have replacement copies printed
at a later date. Cost of scanning and printing a large format chart is
presently $4 each however the cost of just scanning should be half or less
that amount (I haven't ask about yet). Also you can print from .tif on an
odinary PC printer and tap section together if you just need a small area..


--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

"Steve" wrote in message
...
The areas you mentioned are mostly outside the US and there for the charts
would not be NOAA but of the nation that has jurisdiction over that
area...

Admittedly they US does have some foreign chart coverage but that usually
falls under the Defense Mapping Agency.. If these charts are
non-classified
they would also be in the public domain but so far I haven't seen any
available for down load.

Actually, many of the copied charts of the example I'd based my expectations
on were DMA charts. (See long ago posts of mine about the initiation of
Lydia with my ex-father-in-law on a leg of a circumnav which he did entirely
with charts copied from the Chicago Public Library at $2.50/page,
doublesided...) Others were NOAA, and I have that complete set of the
Bahamas from that trip - but he was hell-bent-for-leather to get home, and
only included the direct route he was taking, not any peripheral stuff.

Of course, I'm going to want to have details on pretty much every island, as
well as the large scale charts of the area. So, I really don't care about
the source - and I believe that many DMAs were British Admiralty of over a
century ago, as it was!


While it is legal to copy and reproduce (download) a US chart or
document/publication, it may not be so for those produced by a foreign
government or agency.. Canada is an example of this..

The trick is finding where to do this - a trick I've not yet learned - and,
even more importantly, since there seem to be about a thousand of them,
knowing which one to use, which I'd think to be in a catalog, which I've not
yet uncovered.


Regarding printing of charts, I have recently discovered that my favorite
copy shop now has large format scanner and printer.. Not only can I get a

That's the sort of thing I have in mind about my potential to print stuff I
get by download. I'm expecting I'll wind up purchasing a full set of
electronic charting, but for hard navigation, at least to my mind, and in
particular in the Bahamas where there's a huge area where we'd be in shoal
conditions, nothing beats a full-sized chart on the table.

paper b/w copy of the original, but they can also give me the .tif files
for
that chart. My point, I could borrow charts, copy them and maintain a .tif
library of these charts to run with Fagawi or have replacement copies
printed

That part might be useful - but I'd have to assume that a chart program that
I bought would have that info/ability already...

at a later date. Cost of scanning and printing a large format chart is
presently $4 each however the cost of just scanning should be half or less
that amount (I haven't ask about yet). Also you can print from .tif on an
ordinary PC printer and tap section together if you just need a small
area..

That was a suggestion from one of the university sources I had, but I don't
consider that a viable alternative for actual use...

L8R

Skip



--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions



--
"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a clear
night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize that you are
quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to you that in the
general scheme of things you are merely an insignificant speck on the
surface of the ocean; and are not nearly so important or as self-sufficient
as you thought you were. Which is an exceedingly wholesome thought, and one
that may effect a permanent change in your deportment that will be greatly
appreciated by your friends."- James S. Pitkin

"Steve" wrote in message
...
The areas you mentioned are mostly outside the US and there for the charts
would not be NOAA but of the nation that has jurisdiction over that
area...

Admittedly they US does have some foreign chart coverage but that usually
falls under the Defense Mapping Agency.. If these charts are
non-classified
they would also be in the public domain but so far I haven't seen any
available for down load.

Actually, many of the copied charts of the example I'd based my expectations
on were DMA charts. (See long ago posts of mine about the initiation of
Lydia with my ex-father-in-law on a leg of a circumnav which he did entirely
with charts copied from the Chicago Public Library at $2.50/page,
doublesided...) Others were NOAA, and I have that complete set of the
Bahamas from that trip - but he was hell-bent-for-leather to get home, and
only included the direct route he was taking, not any peripheral stuff.

Of course, I'm going to want to have details on pretty much every island, as
well as the large scale charts of the area. So, I really don't care about
the source - and I believe that many DMAs were British Admiralty of over a
century ago, as it was!


While it is legal to copy and reproduce (download) a US chart or
document/publication, it may not be so for those produced by a foreign
government or agency.. Canada is an example of this..

The trick is finding where to do this - a trick I've not yet learned - and,
even more importantly, since there seem to be about a thousand of them,
knowing which one to use, which I'd think to be in a catalog, which I've not
yet uncovered.


Regarding printing of charts, I have recently discovered that my favorite
copy shop now has large format scanner and printer.. Not only can I get a

That's the sort of thing I have in mind about my potential to print stuff I
get by download. I'm expecting I'll wind up purchasing a full set of
electronic charting, but for hard navigation, at least to my mind, and in
particular in the Bahamas where there's a huge area where we'd be in shoal
conditions, nothing beats a full-sized chart on the table.

paper b/w copy of the original, but they can also give me the .tif files
for
that chart. My point, I could borrow charts, copy them and maintain a .tif
library of these charts to run with Fagawi or have replacement copies
printed

That part might be useful - but I'd have to assume that a chart program that
I bought would have that info/ability already...

at a later date. Cost of scanning and printing a large format chart is
presently $4 each however the cost of just scanning should be half or less
that amount (I haven't ask about yet). Also you can print from .tif on an
ordinary PC printer and tap section together if you just need a small
area..

That was a suggestion from one of the university sources I had, but I don't
consider that a viable alternative for actual use...

L8R

Skip



--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions



--
"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a clear
night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize that you are
quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to you that in the
general scheme of things you are merely an insignificant speck on the
surface of the ocean; and are not nearly so important or as self-sufficient
as you thought you were. Which is an exceedingly wholesome thought, and one
that may effect a permanent change in your deportment that will be greatly
appreciated by your friends."- James S. Pitkin

"Steve" wrote in message
...

Admittedly they US does have some foriegn chart coverage but that usually
falls under the Defense Mapping Agency.. If these charts are
non-classified
they would also be in the public domain but so far I haven't seen any
available for down load.

Defense Mapping Agency now is under the NGA.

"Steve" wrote in message
...

Admittedly they US does have some foriegn chart coverage but that usually
falls under the Defense Mapping Agency.. If these charts are
non-classified
they would also be in the public domain but so far I haven't seen any
available for down load.

Defense Mapping Agency now is under the NGA.

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:57:43 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote:


The trick is finding where to do this - a trick I've not yet learned - and,
even more importantly, since there seem to be about a thousand of them,
knowing which one to use, which I'd think to be in a catalog, which I've not
yet uncovered.
I suggest you check out (if you haven't already) Bellingham Chart
Printers (http://www.tidesend.com/). They scan and reprint charts in
B&W and make them available individually or in chartpacks for pretty
reasonable prices. US NOAA and DMA charts only, as far as I know. f
you look at the detail for the kits, you'll see a list of the charts
included for that region.

__________________________________________________ __________
Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com
To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious.

Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and
logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:57:43 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote:


The trick is finding where to do this - a trick I've not yet learned - and,
even more importantly, since there seem to be about a thousand of them,
knowing which one to use, which I'd think to be in a catalog, which I've not
yet uncovered.
I suggest you check out (if you haven't already) Bellingham Chart
Printers (http://www.tidesend.com/). They scan and reprint charts in
B&W and make them available individually or in chartpacks for pretty
reasonable prices. US NOAA and DMA charts only, as far as I know. f
you look at the detail for the kits, you'll see a list of the charts
included for that region.

__________________________________________________ __________
Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com
To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious.

Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and
logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/

This guy, Dan Pfeiffer, has gone into great explanations on digital
charts and resources, on an owners group (Pearsons). I'll bet if you
noodle around on his site for a bit you'll find out a lot on where to
locate the raw data you are seeking. The address is:
http://dan.pfeiffer.net/maps/maps.htm

Good luck,

Jonathan

Skip Gundlach wrote:
My apologies. Though I know that this has seen the light of day here in the
past, my expected source for copied charts seems ephemeral if not
unavailable, after all (unless I want to fly to Chicago and go the library
there and live on the copiers up *there* - I'm near Atlanta - for however
long it would take).

So, in the past, I think I recall that governmental charts are available for
download and printing. I've got a potential source for large-scale printing
at an economical rate, so I'd like to explore that opportunity.

However, I've not been able to discover a catalog which could identify which
charts I'd want. The general area I'm interested in is the Eastern
Caribbean, essentially from the Bahamas to Venezuela - including the keys
and Cuba, and on the other end, the ABCs, if that's not already part of the
definition.

Does anyone have a URL for that catalog, and also the way to find how to
download the ones of interest? I've tried to search for DMA, NEMA, NOAA and
others, and even called the governmental office, which led me to a useless
FAA site.

Failing the above, I'd be interested, actually, probably more, in knowing
where to find charts and a large-scale copier in the Atlanta area (in the
same location - I have found a couple of university reference departments
with charts, but no catalog, and no copier).

Thanks...

L8R

Skip