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![]() I am considering a 1982 Cal 30 for bay and coastal cruising near the Houston - Galveston area. The plan would be to leave the boat with one of the local charter sail organizations that would provide docking and light maintenance of the boat. They indicated that they would anticipate good rentals for such a boat, assuming that it is surveyed and shown to be in good condition, but they would not accept it unless the existing tiller steering mechanism can be converted to wheel steering. - They tell me that there are shops in the area who can do such work for around $1,000 to $1,500. Does anyone have any experience or information concerning such a conversion? Someone suggested that Cal, or another marine equipment source, may be able to provide a kit of necessary components for installing the wheel. I would also be interested in any comments from those with experience re the Cal 30. I have sailed a somewhat larger Cal (33?) and was impressed with it as a stable though perhaps not very speedy boat, suitable for "near-shore" blue water sailing. Thanks, Jim Cate |
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:24:13 +0000, Jim Cate wrote:
I am considering a 1982 Cal 30 for bay and coastal cruising near the Houston - Galveston area. The plan would be to leave the boat with one of the local charter sail organizations that would provide docking and light maintenance of the boat. They indicated that they would anticipate good rentals for such a boat, assuming that it is surveyed and shown to be in good condition, but they would not accept it unless the existing tiller steering mechanism can be converted to wheel steering. - They tell me that there are shops in the area who can do such work for around $1,000 to $1,500. Does anyone have any experience or information concerning such a conversion? I replaced the steering in Far Cove (Catalina 36) and it cost me about that, but I didn't replace the wheel, pedestal, rudder "wheel", etc. I'm guessing to do it Right will cost substantially more than that. Try contacting Edson: http://www.edsonmarine.com/sailboat/index.html Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 |
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:24:13 +0000, Jim Cate wrote:
I am considering a 1982 Cal 30 for bay and coastal cruising near the Houston - Galveston area. The plan would be to leave the boat with one of the local charter sail organizations that would provide docking and light maintenance of the boat. They indicated that they would anticipate good rentals for such a boat, assuming that it is surveyed and shown to be in good condition, but they would not accept it unless the existing tiller steering mechanism can be converted to wheel steering. - They tell me that there are shops in the area who can do such work for around $1,000 to $1,500. Does anyone have any experience or information concerning such a conversion? I replaced the steering in Far Cove (Catalina 36) and it cost me about that, but I didn't replace the wheel, pedestal, rudder "wheel", etc. I'm guessing to do it Right will cost substantially more than that. Try contacting Edson: http://www.edsonmarine.com/sailboat/index.html Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 |
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I replaced the steering in Far Cove (Catalina 36) and it cost me about that,
but I didn't replace the wheel, pedestal, rudder "wheel", etc. I'm guessing to do it Right will cost substantially more than that. I think tha parts alone will be more than 1500.00. Installation will not be cheap. My advice to people in this sort of situation is: Find the boat you want WITH wheel steering and don't get involved with the mod. RB |
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I replaced the steering in Far Cove (Catalina 36) and it cost me about that,
but I didn't replace the wheel, pedestal, rudder "wheel", etc. I'm guessing to do it Right will cost substantially more than that. I think tha parts alone will be more than 1500.00. Installation will not be cheap. My advice to people in this sort of situation is: Find the boat you want WITH wheel steering and don't get involved with the mod. RB |
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:24:13 -0600, Jim Cate wrote:
I am considering a 1982 Cal 30 for bay and coastal cruising near the Houston - Galveston area. The plan would be to leave the boat with one of the local charter sail organizations that would provide docking and light maintenance of the boat. They indicated that they would anticipate good rentals for such a boat, assuming that it is surveyed and shown to be in good condition, but they would not accept it unless the existing tiller steering mechanism can be converted to wheel steering. - They tell me that there are shops in the area who can do such work for around $1,000 to $1,500. Does anyone have any experience or information concerning such a conversion? Someone suggested that Cal, or another marine equipment source, may be able to provide a kit of necessary components for installing the wheel. I would also be interested in any comments from those with experience re the Cal 30. I have sailed a somewhat larger Cal (33?) and was impressed with it as a stable though perhaps not very speedy boat, suitable for "near-shore" blue water sailing. A friend of mine converted a Cal 2-30 (an earlier boat) when he sold it. Nobody considered it an improvement. I would want a lot more specifics about the financial benefits from the sailing club before I would do such a thing. A tiller pilot big enough for that boat is a lot cheaper. Our boat came with wheel steering only, and it is not bad, but it cost a lot more than $1500. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a "Accordions don't play 'Lady of Spain.' People play 'Lady of Spain." |
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:24:13 -0600, Jim Cate wrote:
I am considering a 1982 Cal 30 for bay and coastal cruising near the Houston - Galveston area. The plan would be to leave the boat with one of the local charter sail organizations that would provide docking and light maintenance of the boat. They indicated that they would anticipate good rentals for such a boat, assuming that it is surveyed and shown to be in good condition, but they would not accept it unless the existing tiller steering mechanism can be converted to wheel steering. - They tell me that there are shops in the area who can do such work for around $1,000 to $1,500. Does anyone have any experience or information concerning such a conversion? Someone suggested that Cal, or another marine equipment source, may be able to provide a kit of necessary components for installing the wheel. I would also be interested in any comments from those with experience re the Cal 30. I have sailed a somewhat larger Cal (33?) and was impressed with it as a stable though perhaps not very speedy boat, suitable for "near-shore" blue water sailing. A friend of mine converted a Cal 2-30 (an earlier boat) when he sold it. Nobody considered it an improvement. I would want a lot more specifics about the financial benefits from the sailing club before I would do such a thing. A tiller pilot big enough for that boat is a lot cheaper. Our boat came with wheel steering only, and it is not bad, but it cost a lot more than $1500. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a "Accordions don't play 'Lady of Spain.' People play 'Lady of Spain." |
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Jim Cate wrote:
I am considering a 1982 Cal 30 for bay and coastal cruising near the Houston - Galveston area. The plan would be to leave the boat with one of the local charter sail organizations that would provide docking and light maintenance of the boat. They indicated that they would anticipate good rentals for such a boat, assuming that it is surveyed and shown to be in good condition, but they would not accept it unless the existing tiller steering mechanism can be converted to wheel steering. - They tell me that there are shops in the area who can do such work for around $1,000 to $1,500. Does anyone have any experience or information concerning such a conversion? Someone suggested that Cal, or another marine equipment source, may be able to provide a kit of necessary components for installing the wheel. I would also be interested in any comments from those with experience re the Cal 30. I have sailed a somewhat larger Cal (33?) and was impressed with it as a stable though perhaps not very speedy boat, suitable for "near-shore" blue water sailing. Thanks, Jim Cate I built a wheel steering rig from scraps, it worked well on my '67 HR28, "The Penney Louise". I had the rudder head on the sole in the rear of the cockpit, any other plan would need a different approach, but this worked for me and cost about 50 bucks for wood, aircraft steel wire cable, clamps, etc. I built a deck about 5" high using verola mahogany door jamb to raise the back 3' of cockpit sole and hide the modifications. The planks ran fore and aft, critical to this setup. I fitted a 2 X 6" bridge deck at the same level as the seat tops, fastening it with screws through the seat locker sides. I later veneered it with mahogany for appearance. Next time, I'll just use black paint, and leave the sewer pipe proud black, to boot. The sewer pipe ran through a hole in the bridge deck, and was secured with 2 ss screws. I removed the tiller from the rudder head fitting, and replaced it with a telescoping tube tiller made from ss tube 1" and 7/8" diameter about a foot long eye bolted to a piece of wood to fit the tiller head jaws. I plugged the end with a piece of mop handle, secured with a screw and screwed an eye bolt into the plug. Cable was led using small shackles and crimp on wire ends from the new tiller's eye to the sides of the cockpit lockers where I fixed little plastic pullies salvaged from a cheap 8 part tackle (sold many years ago at Canada Tire) onto adjustable eye bolts and stainless strap ears with the tension adjustments inside the quarter berths. Rubber gaskets stopped leaks. Maximum rudder angle was about 45 degrees either side, plenty. The end of the extended telescoping tiller just about hit the sides of the cockpit, the way the pulleys were arranged. The cables turned foreward and inward, to meet under the open end of a piece of black plastic drainage pipe stuffed into holes in the bridge deck and raised deck with similar pulleys mounted in bent aluminium brackets inside the drain tube that incorperated a tab which was attached to the cockpit sole with a wing nut on a stud bolted through the sole from underneath. The telescoping tiller was retracted by a piece of bungee to ensure it did not foul the pulleys under the steering post. It didn't really need no steenkin' wing nut, just a stud to sit on, or maybe even not that. An old electric motor rotor with long ends (from an electric radiator double squirrel cage fan) with the centre section turned down a little to about 2" diameter formed the steering wheel axel and cable reel. It sat in notches cut into a drainage pipe adapter fitting using a weller soldering iron at the doubled part where it was glued together with PVC cement. The motor rotor had cooling holes just the size of the wire (1/8") in it that were used to anchor the cables. The cable ends were siezed in cable clamps, which permitted coarse adjustments. Expanders and reducers glued up made a binnacle, in which the compass sat. The bottom of the binnacle trapped the top of the wheel axel. The binnacle was secured with screws to the top of the sewer pipe. The compass was retained by, are you ready for it? Duct tape, neatly trimmed. The twisted compass lamp leads plugged in to an rca phone connector, to enable removal, seldom done. A modesty shield made from cut up rubber inner tube lashed in place made it look neat and nautical where the axel and steering brake assembly were otherwise exposed. It also provided spray protection. An oil filter wrench was modified to sieze a small pulley on the wheel axel to lock the wheel temporarily. That pulley would have taken an autopilot belt. I made a wheel to fit the motor shaft from an aluminium motor pulley with 5 copper tube spokes set and faired with rivets and epoxy. The rim was soft copper sections all soldered together with 't' fittings, about 24" in diameter, just comfy for me. The engine controls were unmodified in the cockpit well, I was thinking about mounting them on the post, but decided against it for emergency reasons. I considered filling the copper rim with glass and epoxy before soldering it all up, but never became convinced that it was neccessary. The wheel and rig held up for 2 years, until vandals burned "that crazy old guy's boat." It was strong enough to lean on, and I did try to kick it to death, but it held up OK. I left the copper exposed to age. With a little varnish and paint, altogether it looked OK, and for 50 bucks? I raised the helm seat with 2 fenders tied together - comfy! Now, I could see over the coach roof while sitting to steer, and I was riding on air suspension, leaning on the traveller and mainsheet. It worked out to about 3 turns lock to lock, and felt good to use, very precise. It was especially satisfying to stand facing backwards to steer the boat in reverse. As I had a balanced spade rudder, it tended to pin the steering one side or another in reverse. The steering load was almost nothing, even with bad sail trim. How well balanced is your rudder? The deck and steering post could be removed and the original tiller re-installed in about 2 minutes, without tools, so long as the tiller jaw bolts were acceptable without tightening with a wrench. A piece of heavy string tied between the planks of the steering deck made lifting it back end first easy. It was cut so it could be lifted without interfering with the steering post to give access to the innards (underds?). The bridge deck was fixed using only 2 screws, so it could be easily pivoted foreward, post and all, out of the way for the emergency tiller. Pushball lock pins were considered, but never installed. A bridging skirt piece at the front of the steering deck was screwed in from the sides, and remained to secure the interlocking assembly. As long as the deck sat where it should, everyhing else was locked in place by geometry. Afterwards, I thought that a small hole over the rudder head would indicate rudder angle, but with a turk's head on the wheel, it's position was never suspect. Sounds hokey? Worked good, looked good, was a fine talking point, and a proud achievement for 50 bucks. I showed it off at every opportunity. In salt, it would have needed more paint and tlc than it did. As it was in fresh water, the maintenence was zippo, except for a dab of grease on the wheel axel, to enable annual dissassembly for inspection without anything more than a set screw key. The gold platers stayed away in droves, I just wouldn't shut up. Good luck! Terry K |
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Jim Cate wrote:
I am considering a 1982 Cal 30 for bay and coastal cruising near the Houston - Galveston area. The plan would be to leave the boat with one of the local charter sail organizations that would provide docking and light maintenance of the boat. They indicated that they would anticipate good rentals for such a boat, assuming that it is surveyed and shown to be in good condition, but they would not accept it unless the existing tiller steering mechanism can be converted to wheel steering. - They tell me that there are shops in the area who can do such work for around $1,000 to $1,500. Does anyone have any experience or information concerning such a conversion? Someone suggested that Cal, or another marine equipment source, may be able to provide a kit of necessary components for installing the wheel. I would also be interested in any comments from those with experience re the Cal 30. I have sailed a somewhat larger Cal (33?) and was impressed with it as a stable though perhaps not very speedy boat, suitable for "near-shore" blue water sailing. Thanks, Jim Cate I built a wheel steering rig from scraps, it worked well on my '67 HR28, "The Penney Louise". I had the rudder head on the sole in the rear of the cockpit, any other plan would need a different approach, but this worked for me and cost about 50 bucks for wood, aircraft steel wire cable, clamps, etc. I built a deck about 5" high using verola mahogany door jamb to raise the back 3' of cockpit sole and hide the modifications. The planks ran fore and aft, critical to this setup. I fitted a 2 X 6" bridge deck at the same level as the seat tops, fastening it with screws through the seat locker sides. I later veneered it with mahogany for appearance. Next time, I'll just use black paint, and leave the sewer pipe proud black, to boot. The sewer pipe ran through a hole in the bridge deck, and was secured with 2 ss screws. I removed the tiller from the rudder head fitting, and replaced it with a telescoping tube tiller made from ss tube 1" and 7/8" diameter about a foot long eye bolted to a piece of wood to fit the tiller head jaws. I plugged the end with a piece of mop handle, secured with a screw and screwed an eye bolt into the plug. Cable was led using small shackles and crimp on wire ends from the new tiller's eye to the sides of the cockpit lockers where I fixed little plastic pullies salvaged from a cheap 8 part tackle (sold many years ago at Canada Tire) onto adjustable eye bolts and stainless strap ears with the tension adjustments inside the quarter berths. Rubber gaskets stopped leaks. Maximum rudder angle was about 45 degrees either side, plenty. The end of the extended telescoping tiller just about hit the sides of the cockpit, the way the pulleys were arranged. The cables turned foreward and inward, to meet under the open end of a piece of black plastic drainage pipe stuffed into holes in the bridge deck and raised deck with similar pulleys mounted in bent aluminium brackets inside the drain tube that incorperated a tab which was attached to the cockpit sole with a wing nut on a stud bolted through the sole from underneath. The telescoping tiller was retracted by a piece of bungee to ensure it did not foul the pulleys under the steering post. It didn't really need no steenkin' wing nut, just a stud to sit on, or maybe even not that. An old electric motor rotor with long ends (from an electric radiator double squirrel cage fan) with the centre section turned down a little to about 2" diameter formed the steering wheel axel and cable reel. It sat in notches cut into a drainage pipe adapter fitting using a weller soldering iron at the doubled part where it was glued together with PVC cement. The motor rotor had cooling holes just the size of the wire (1/8") in it that were used to anchor the cables. The cable ends were siezed in cable clamps, which permitted coarse adjustments. Expanders and reducers glued up made a binnacle, in which the compass sat. The bottom of the binnacle trapped the top of the wheel axel. The binnacle was secured with screws to the top of the sewer pipe. The compass was retained by, are you ready for it? Duct tape, neatly trimmed. The twisted compass lamp leads plugged in to an rca phone connector, to enable removal, seldom done. A modesty shield made from cut up rubber inner tube lashed in place made it look neat and nautical where the axel and steering brake assembly were otherwise exposed. It also provided spray protection. An oil filter wrench was modified to sieze a small pulley on the wheel axel to lock the wheel temporarily. That pulley would have taken an autopilot belt. I made a wheel to fit the motor shaft from an aluminium motor pulley with 5 copper tube spokes set and faired with rivets and epoxy. The rim was soft copper sections all soldered together with 't' fittings, about 24" in diameter, just comfy for me. The engine controls were unmodified in the cockpit well, I was thinking about mounting them on the post, but decided against it for emergency reasons. I considered filling the copper rim with glass and epoxy before soldering it all up, but never became convinced that it was neccessary. The wheel and rig held up for 2 years, until vandals burned "that crazy old guy's boat." It was strong enough to lean on, and I did try to kick it to death, but it held up OK. I left the copper exposed to age. With a little varnish and paint, altogether it looked OK, and for 50 bucks? I raised the helm seat with 2 fenders tied together - comfy! Now, I could see over the coach roof while sitting to steer, and I was riding on air suspension, leaning on the traveller and mainsheet. It worked out to about 3 turns lock to lock, and felt good to use, very precise. It was especially satisfying to stand facing backwards to steer the boat in reverse. As I had a balanced spade rudder, it tended to pin the steering one side or another in reverse. The steering load was almost nothing, even with bad sail trim. How well balanced is your rudder? The deck and steering post could be removed and the original tiller re-installed in about 2 minutes, without tools, so long as the tiller jaw bolts were acceptable without tightening with a wrench. A piece of heavy string tied between the planks of the steering deck made lifting it back end first easy. It was cut so it could be lifted without interfering with the steering post to give access to the innards (underds?). The bridge deck was fixed using only 2 screws, so it could be easily pivoted foreward, post and all, out of the way for the emergency tiller. Pushball lock pins were considered, but never installed. A bridging skirt piece at the front of the steering deck was screwed in from the sides, and remained to secure the interlocking assembly. As long as the deck sat where it should, everyhing else was locked in place by geometry. Afterwards, I thought that a small hole over the rudder head would indicate rudder angle, but with a turk's head on the wheel, it's position was never suspect. Sounds hokey? Worked good, looked good, was a fine talking point, and a proud achievement for 50 bucks. I showed it off at every opportunity. In salt, it would have needed more paint and tlc than it did. As it was in fresh water, the maintenence was zippo, except for a dab of grease on the wheel axel, to enable annual dissassembly for inspection without anything more than a set screw key. The gold platers stayed away in droves, I just wouldn't shut up. Good luck! Terry K |
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Thanks for your note Terry. - Your note provides good evidence that I
need to find someone who will do the job for me at a reasonable price, and that I shouldn't try to do the work myself. - That's valuable information. Jim Terry Spragg wrote: Jim Cate wrote: I am considering a 1982 Cal 30 for bay and coastal cruising near the Houston - Galveston area. The plan would be to leave the boat with one of the local charter sail organizations that would provide docking and light maintenance of the boat. They indicated that they would anticipate good rentals for such a boat, assuming that it is surveyed and shown to be in good condition, but they would not accept it unless the existing tiller steering mechanism can be converted to wheel steering. - They tell me that there are shops in the area who can do such work for around $1,000 to $1,500. Does anyone have any experience or information concerning such a conversion? Someone suggested that Cal, or another marine equipment source, may be able to provide a kit of necessary components for installing the wheel. I would also be interested in any comments from those with experience re the Cal 30. I have sailed a somewhat larger Cal (33?) and was impressed with it as a stable though perhaps not very speedy boat, suitable for "near-shore" blue water sailing. Thanks, Jim Cate I built a wheel steering rig from scraps, it worked well on my '67 HR28, "The Penney Louise". I had the rudder head on the sole in the rear of the cockpit, any other plan would need a different approach, but this worked for me and cost about 50 bucks for wood, aircraft steel wire cable, clamps, etc. I built a deck about 5" high using verola mahogany door jamb to raise the back 3' of cockpit sole and hide the modifications. The planks ran fore and aft, critical to this setup. I fitted a 2 X 6" bridge deck at the same level as the seat tops, fastening it with screws through the seat locker sides. I later veneered it with mahogany for appearance. Next time, I'll just use black paint, and leave the sewer pipe proud black, to boot. The sewer pipe ran through a hole in the bridge deck, and was secured with 2 ss screws. I removed the tiller from the rudder head fitting, and replaced it with a telescoping tube tiller made from ss tube 1" and 7/8" diameter about a foot long eye bolted to a piece of wood to fit the tiller head jaws. I plugged the end with a piece of mop handle, secured with a screw and screwed an eye bolt into the plug. Cable was led using small shackles and crimp on wire ends from the new tiller's eye to the sides of the cockpit lockers where I fixed little plastic pullies salvaged from a cheap 8 part tackle (sold many years ago at Canada Tire) onto adjustable eye bolts and stainless strap ears with the tension adjustments inside the quarter berths. Rubber gaskets stopped leaks. Maximum rudder angle was about 45 degrees either side, plenty. The end of the extended telescoping tiller just about hit the sides of the cockpit, the way the pulleys were arranged. The cables turned foreward and inward, to meet under the open end of a piece of black plastic drainage pipe stuffed into holes in the bridge deck and raised deck with similar pulleys mounted in bent aluminium brackets inside the drain tube that incorperated a tab which was attached to the cockpit sole with a wing nut on a stud bolted through the sole from underneath. The telescoping tiller was retracted by a piece of bungee to ensure it did not foul the pulleys under the steering post. It didn't really need no steenkin' wing nut, just a stud to sit on, or maybe even not that. An old electric motor rotor with long ends (from an electric radiator double squirrel cage fan) with the centre section turned down a little to about 2" diameter formed the steering wheel axel and cable reel. It sat in notches cut into a drainage pipe adapter fitting using a weller soldering iron at the doubled part where it was glued together with PVC cement. The motor rotor had cooling holes just the size of the wire (1/8") in it that were used to anchor the cables. The cable ends were siezed in cable clamps, which permitted coarse adjustments. Expanders and reducers glued up made a binnacle, in which the compass sat. The bottom of the binnacle trapped the top of the wheel axel. The binnacle was secured with screws to the top of the sewer pipe. The compass was retained by, are you ready for it? Duct tape, neatly trimmed. The twisted compass lamp leads plugged in to an rca phone connector, to enable removal, seldom done. A modesty shield made from cut up rubber inner tube lashed in place made it look neat and nautical where the axel and steering brake assembly were otherwise exposed. It also provided spray protection. An oil filter wrench was modified to sieze a small pulley on the wheel axel to lock the wheel temporarily. That pulley would have taken an autopilot belt. I made a wheel to fit the motor shaft from an aluminium motor pulley with 5 copper tube spokes set and faired with rivets and epoxy. The rim was soft copper sections all soldered together with 't' fittings, about 24" in diameter, just comfy for me. The engine controls were unmodified in the cockpit well, I was thinking about mounting them on the post, but decided against it for emergency reasons. I considered filling the copper rim with glass and epoxy before soldering it all up, but never became convinced that it was neccessary. The wheel and rig held up for 2 years, until vandals burned "that crazy old guy's boat." It was strong enough to lean on, and I did try to kick it to death, but it held up OK. I left the copper exposed to age. With a little varnish and paint, altogether it looked OK, and for 50 bucks? I raised the helm seat with 2 fenders tied together - comfy! Now, I could see over the coach roof while sitting to steer, and I was riding on air suspension, leaning on the traveller and mainsheet. It worked out to about 3 turns lock to lock, and felt good to use, very precise. It was especially satisfying to stand facing backwards to steer the boat in reverse. As I had a balanced spade rudder, it tended to pin the steering one side or another in reverse. The steering load was almost nothing, even with bad sail trim. How well balanced is your rudder? The deck and steering post could be removed and the original tiller re-installed in about 2 minutes, without tools, so long as the tiller jaw bolts were acceptable without tightening with a wrench. A piece of heavy string tied between the planks of the steering deck made lifting it back end first easy. It was cut so it could be lifted without interfering with the steering post to give access to the innards (underds?). The bridge deck was fixed using only 2 screws, so it could be easily pivoted foreward, post and all, out of the way for the emergency tiller. Pushball lock pins were considered, but never installed. A bridging skirt piece at the front of the steering deck was screwed in from the sides, and remained to secure the interlocking assembly. As long as the deck sat where it should, everyhing else was locked in place by geometry. Afterwards, I thought that a small hole over the rudder head would indicate rudder angle, but with a turk's head on the wheel, it's position was never suspect. Sounds hokey? Worked good, looked good, was a fine talking point, and a proud achievement for 50 bucks. I showed it off at every opportunity. In salt, it would have needed more paint and tlc than it did. As it was in fresh water, the maintenence was zippo, except for a dab of grease on the wheel axel, to enable annual dissassembly for inspection without anything more than a set screw key. The gold platers stayed away in droves, I just wouldn't shut up. Good luck! Terry K |
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