I decided today to buy a MacGregor 26M. I really didn't give it any thought,
I just felt like I'd buy one. Boy, am I ever sorry! What a waste! The thing
is a pile of crap. It doesn't sail well at all, it's not very weatherly,
it's rather cheap and flimsy. To top it off, it doesn't motor well or at
least not as well as a real motor boat. All in all, it's a shabby affair.

But, the thing of it is everybody should give me kudos for deciding. After
all, it's better to decide than to just remain undecided. At least I
decided. That's something, isn't it? I deserve credit for being able to
decide, don't I? Never mind I didn't bother basing my decision on facts,
research, knowledge, needs and desires. Those things don't matter, do they?

Just what the heck am I getting at? Well, try substituting the words try,
tried, trying for decide, decided and deciding. It will shed some light on
why it is equally stupid to give kudos to somebody for trying as if trying
is something to laud. Both deciding and making a poor decision based on how
you felt or thought you felt, and trying without basing your try upon study,
research, practice, know-how, paying attention to good advice etc. are just
plain stupid. Yet there are plenty of people these days who seem to think
any old try is credit worthy as evidenced by several posts in these groups.
How did it come to this? It came to this through embracing liberal tenets.

I've often stated that liberals will fail when it comes to sailing,
especially ocean voyaging. It seems my statements have been born out time
after time. Those who succeed without fuss are always conservatives while
those who brag and make a spectacular failure worthy of a rescue are the
liberal thinkers who go off willy-nilly without proper thought or
preparation because they feel that trying, even if it results in failure, is
an accomplishment of which to be proud. And those of you who support them
are a big part of the problem.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Apr 11, 2:05*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
I decided today to buy a MacGregor 26M. I really didn't give it any thought,
I just felt like I'd buy one. Boy, am I ever sorry! What a waste! The thing
is a pile of crap. It doesn't sail well at all, it's not very weatherly,
it's rather cheap and flimsy. To top it off, it doesn't motor well or at
least not as well as a real motor boat. All in all, it's a shabby affair.


Oh, yu poor captain. that must have been such a disappointment. I will
immediatly start a fund for you where others can send money to help
you through theses difficult times. I will also pledge to help you
through this crisis and give man-hugs when you are felling depressed
from trying to accomplish your dream. I say Kudos to you for tying to
live the dream when other nasty people denigrate your attempts and
only talk about what you are trying to do.......

and if any one says you are an idiot i will plonk the puppets.

Bob

it will be a good lake boat......



On Apr 11, 4:05*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
I decided today to buy a MacGregor 26M. I really didn't give it any thought,
I just felt like I'd buy one. Boy, am I ever sorry! What a waste! The thing
is a pile of crap. It doesn't sail well at all, it's not very weatherly,
it's rather cheap and flimsy. To top it off, it doesn't motor well or at
least not as well as a real motor boat. All in all, it's a shabby affair.

But, the thing of it is everybody should give me kudos for deciding. After
all, it's better to decide than to just remain undecided. At least I
decided. That's something, isn't it? I deserve credit for being able to
decide, don't I? Never mind I didn't bother basing my decision on facts,
research, knowledge, needs and desires. Those things don't matter, do they?

Just what the heck am I getting at? Well, try substituting the words try,
tried, trying for decide, decided and deciding. It will shed some light on
why it is equally stupid to give kudos to somebody for trying as if trying
is something to laud. Both deciding and making a poor decision based on how
you felt or thought you felt, and trying without basing your try upon study,
research, practice, know-how, paying attention to good advice etc. are just
plain stupid. Yet there are plenty of people these days who seem to think
any old try is credit worthy as evidenced by several posts in these groups..
How did it come to this? It came to this through embracing liberal tenets.

I've often stated that liberals will fail when it comes to sailing,
especially ocean voyaging. It seems my statements have been born out time
after time. Those who succeed without fuss are always conservatives while
those who brag and make a spectacular failure worthy of a rescue are the
liberal thinkers who go off willy-nilly without proper thought or
preparation because they feel that trying, even if it results in failure, is
an accomplishment of which to be proud. And those of you who support them
are a big part of the problem.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:05:55 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote this crap:

I decided today to buy a MacGregor 26M. I really didn't give it any thought,
I just felt like I'd buy one. Boy, am I ever sorry! What a waste! The thing
is a pile of crap. It doesn't sail well at all, it's not very weatherly,
it's rather cheap and flimsy. To top it off, it doesn't motor well or at
least not as well as a real motor boat. All in all, it's a shabby affair.

SUCKER!!!!!!!

If you were a Hungarian warrior, you never would have done that.





I'm Horvath and I approve of this post.

In article s.com,
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote:

I decided today to buy a MacGregor 26M. I really didn't give it any thought,
I just felt like I'd buy one. Boy, am I ever sorry! What a waste! The thing
is a pile of crap. It doesn't sail well at all, it's not very weatherly,
it's rather cheap and flimsy. To top it off, it doesn't motor well or at
least not as well as a real motor boat. All in all, it's a shabby affair.

Wilbur Hubbard

Well, it couldn't happen to a 'Nice Guy"..... I wonder if the guy you
paid your cash to, was laughing "All the way to the Bank".... I sure
Hope so.....

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
I decided today to buy a MacGregor 26M. I really didn't give it any thought,
I just felt like I'd buy one.

Actually, Neal, that would have been a good choice. To cite just one
factor, if Joe had been sailing a Mac26M, with its positive floatation,
the boat would have survived and wouldn't have been dragged to the
bottom by its keel. And of course, if you had a Mac (instead of your
no-boat-at-all), you could spend more time sailing and less time posting
childish, vacuous notes on this ng. But of course, you didn't make a
decision to get a Mac or a decision to get anything else for that
matter, so we can look forward to more of your never-ending sophistry.

Jim

"JimC" wrote in message
...
Actually, Neal, that would have been a good choice. To cite just one
factor, if Joe had been sailing a Mac26M, with its positive floatation,
the boat would have survived and wouldn't have been dragged to the bottom
by its keel. And of course, if you had a Mac (instead of your
no-boat-at-all), you could spend more time sailing and less time posting
childish, vacuous notes on this ng. But of course, you didn't make a
decision to get a Mac or a decision to get anything else for that matter,
so we can look forward to more of your never-ending sophistry.

Jim


Neal is an idiot, but besides that, if you were on your Mac in the
conditions Joe described, you would surely be a greater idiot than Neal
(even he isn't suicidal).

Assuming the boat can't sink (which I seriously doubt - given the pounding
it would endure, it would likely break up), it would be dismasted for sure.
Then, (not that sailing would have ever been an option), your only chance
for survival would be below decks, while the boat rolled over and over and
over, perhaps even pitchpolling from time to time. It would be like being in
a washing machine with heavy and sharp objects. You'd find yourself in a
non-habitable environment of flying hazards including yourself that would
break your bones into mush. In desperation to escape, you would vacate the
premises, and then either be thrown off the boat by the wave action or you
would remove yourself from the boat deliberately. Either way, you wouldn't
survive.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Capt. JG wrote:

"JimC" wrote in message
...

Actually, Neal, that would have been a good choice. To cite just one
factor, if Joe had been sailing a Mac26M, with its positive floatation,
the boat would have survived and wouldn't have been dragged to the bottom
by its keel. And of course, if you had a Mac (instead of your
no-boat-at-all), you could spend more time sailing and less time posting
childish, vacuous notes on this ng. But of course, you didn't make a
decision to get a Mac or a decision to get anything else for that matter,
so we can look forward to more of your never-ending sophistry.

Jim



Neal is an idiot, but besides that, if you were on your Mac in the
conditions Joe described, you would surely be a greater idiot than Neal
(even he isn't suicidal).

Assuming the boat can't sink (which I seriously doubt - given the pounding
it would endure, it would likely break up), it would be dismasted for sure.
Then, (not that sailing would have ever been an option), your only chance
for survival would be below decks, while the boat rolled over and over and
over, perhaps even pitchpolling from time to time. It would be like being in
a washing machine with heavy and sharp objects. You'd find yourself in a
non-habitable environment of flying hazards including yourself that would
break your bones into mush. In desperation to escape, you would vacate the
premises, and then either be thrown off the boat by the wave action or you
would remove yourself from the boat deliberately. Either way, you wouldn't
survive.



Actually, Captain, your conclusions are unfounded and your assertions
unsupported. Of course, I didn't say that I would want to take my Mac
200 miles offshore, nor would I recommend it to anyone else. What I DID
say was that if Joe were offshore in a Mac26M, the boat would have
stayed afloat and would not have been dragged to the bottom of the Gulf
by a heavy keel. (Also, if Neal had a Mac 26M instead of his
no-boat-at-all, he could spend more of his time sailing instead of
posting negative, critical notes on this ng.)

You claim that the Mac would have "rolled over and over and over,
perhaps even picthcpolling [sic]." This, of course, may be your opinion,
and actually I don't question that you sincerely believe this to be the
case. But, other than your own personal biases, what evidence to you
have to support this assertion? - Is it the usual negative bias against
the Macs that you think you can safely rely on? Is it the fact that you
don't think anyone on this ng would want to question any negative
bull**** posted on the ng regarding the Macs? Or, alternatively (and
assuming that the skipper wasn't drunk and didn't go offshore with an
empty ballast tank, and that he had enough sense to put out a storm
anchor), do you actually have some valid evidence or proof supporting
your assertions? -Including your assertion that the the Macs will roll
over and over and over and over again in heavy seas, and perhaps
pitchpoll? If the latter, i.e., if you have some valid evidence, let's
see the evidence and statistics supporting your theories. You also say
that the Macs will simply "break up" in heavy seas. Again, where is
your evidence, other than anecdotes and hearsay, supporting this assertion?

And to anyone else who wants to bash the Macs, WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE,
OTHER THAN ANECDOTES AND HEARSAY?) Like, put up or shut up.

In any event, despite all the supercilious anti-Mac propaganda, the fact
remains that the Mac 26s are one of the few boats over 25 feet (not the
only one, but one of the few) to have positive floatation.

Jim

"JimC" wrote in message
.. .


Capt. JG wrote:

"JimC" wrote in message
...

Actually, Neal, that would have been a good choice. To cite just one
factor, if Joe had been sailing a Mac26M, with its positive floatation,
the boat would have survived and wouldn't have been dragged to the bottom
by its keel. And of course, if you had a Mac (instead of your
no-boat-at-all), you could spend more time sailing and less time posting
childish, vacuous notes on this ng. But of course, you didn't make a
decision to get a Mac or a decision to get anything else for that matter,
so we can look forward to more of your never-ending sophistry.

Jim



Neal is an idiot, but besides that, if you were on your Mac in the
conditions Joe described, you would surely be a greater idiot than Neal
(even he isn't suicidal).

Assuming the boat can't sink (which I seriously doubt - given the
pounding it would endure, it would likely break up), it would be
dismasted for sure. Then, (not that sailing would have ever been an
option), your only chance for survival would be below decks, while the
boat rolled over and over and over, perhaps even pitchpolling from time
to time. It would be like being in a washing machine with heavy and sharp
objects. You'd find yourself in a non-habitable environment of flying
hazards including yourself that would break your bones into mush. In
desperation to escape, you would vacate the premises, and then either be
thrown off the boat by the wave action or you would remove yourself from
the boat deliberately. Either way, you wouldn't survive.



Actually, Captain, your conclusions are unfounded and your assertions
unsupported. Of course, I didn't say that I would want to take my Mac 200
miles offshore, nor would I recommend it to anyone else. What I DID say
was that if Joe were offshore in a Mac26M, the boat would have stayed
afloat and would not have been dragged to the bottom of the Gulf by a
heavy keel. (Also, if Neal had a Mac 26M instead of his no-boat-at-all, he
could spend more of his time sailing instead of posting negative, critical
notes on this ng.)

You claim that the Mac would have "rolled over and over and over, perhaps
even picthcpolling [sic]." This, of course, may be your opinion, and
actually I don't question that you sincerely believe this to be the case.
But, other than your own personal biases, what evidence to you have to
support this assertion? - Is it the usual negative bias against the Macs
that you think you can safely rely on? Is it the fact that you don't think
anyone on this ng would want to question any negative bull**** posted on
the ng regarding the Macs? Or, alternatively (and assuming that the
skipper wasn't drunk and didn't go offshore with an empty ballast tank,
and that he had enough sense to put out a storm anchor), do you actually
have some valid evidence or proof supporting your assertions? -Including
your assertion that the the Macs will roll over and over and over and over
again in heavy seas, and perhaps pitchpoll? If the latter, i.e., if you
have some valid evidence, let's see the evidence and statistics
supporting your theories. You also say that the Macs will simply "break
up" in heavy seas. Again, where is your evidence, other than anecdotes
and hearsay, supporting this assertion?

And to anyone else who wants to bash the Macs, WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE,
OTHER THAN ANECDOTES AND HEARSAY?) Like, put up or shut up.

In any event, despite all the supercilious anti-Mac propaganda, the fact
remains that the Mac 26s are one of the few boats over 25 feet (not the
only one, but one of the few) to have positive floatation.

Jim


Are you claiming that a dismasted boat in heavy seas won't roll? If so, well
QED. No on besides yourself would even consider taking a Mac out in those
conditions, so you're right I have absolutely NO evidence. LOL

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 11:01:00 -0600, JimC
wrote:

You also say
that the Macs will simply "break up" in heavy seas. Again, where is
your evidence, other than anecdotes and hearsay, supporting this assertion?

His assertion is based on common sense, and the fact that the boat is
not designed or built for off-shore conditions. Where is your
evidence that the boat will not break up in heavy seas? It's not
impossible, plenty of other boats have met that fate. Pick one up 30
feet into the air and drop it to the water a few times. That will
give you a good idea where the weak spots are.