On May 5, 3:49*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

But, no matter what you say or do there is a certain group of ignorant,
stubborn losers who refuse to listen to sensible advice and *feel* they can
buck the odds. Yah, right! *May their bones rest in peace on the sea bottom.

Wilbur Hubbard

Dear Wilbur, you moron. Get off your high horse and realize the
world's waters are not yours. To say that nobody sails anywhere south
of the Chesapeake during YOUR time of warning, is just a farce, like
your posts.

"BeeRich" wrote in message
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On May 5, 2:18 pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
"For your reasons, there would be no sailboats in the Caribbean at any
time, as they would be wiped out. Not every day is a hurricane, but
perhaps you haven't noticed that.


But, YOU will certainly notice the day a hurricane approaches and strikes
you someplace where there is little warning and even less shelter. But,
please go ahead with your stupid plans. I, for one, will welcome your
demise. There are way too many stupid people in the world as it is . . . It
is my hope that you will not live to pass on your defective genes.

--
Gregory Hall

On May 5, 4:10*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"BeeRich" wrote in message

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On May 5, 1:11 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Then how do you explain all the American boats I saw out of mainland
USA when we were both in the Abacos and the Virgin Islands?



What you need to do is take the "I-65 route." That is depart out of Miami
and head northeast to east as the prevailing SE winds allow. Proceed on
your
course north of the Abacos chain (the Gulf Stream will assist your
northerly
progress) and keep going until you arrive at longitude 65w. (You will be
close to Bermuda so if you wish to rest you might consider stopping
there.)
Then come about and turn south on a port tack and close haul or reach down
to the BVIs. This should take you two to three weeks. Don't do it during
hurricane season. Middle of May to middle of June is the time to go. Be
sure
you have a place to hide in the BVIs during hurricane season.

Wilbur Hubbard
Swan 68

That is the route I am planning on taking. *Abacos, along the top edge
of the Bahamas, down Southeast towards Turks & Caicos, then bypassing
DR and PR totally, right into USVI then BVI. *You sure I can't stick
close to the islands? *Hitting Bermuda for the sake of a single tack,
is a bit much.

I've got a buddy in the BVi who does deliveries. * Might be a good idea to
hire a 'professional captain' if this is your first time.

Wrong again, sunshine.

"BeeRich" wrote in message
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This coming from a guy that says everybody in a newsgroup has no
experience, and he is the only person who does. Sounds like you need
something to deal with your insecurity. Hey maybe I should just ride
over on your boat, since it's the only one that can do it.

Maybe you should just pull your head out of your arse! And I wouldn't let
your like anywhere near my boat. You are an accident waiting to happen.

And I do know something about it. I've been on boats for over 30
years now, probably longer than you. Reading the weather, isn't about
chance. But I bet you think hurricanes form instantly. WAKE UP!

And I bet you think your little old, let's see if I can guess it right,
Hunter 33? can outrun a hurricane. Good luck! I don't think you have any
idea of the distances or time involved.

Wilbur Hubbard

On May 5, 5:06*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Peter" wrote in message

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Needless to say, your insurance company will either charge an arm and
a leg to endorse your your boat or will cancel entirely.

And, why do you think that is? Doesn't it tell you something about the odds
of success?

And even if one does succeed, is slogging 1200 miles (probably about double
that considering it's all a beat) to weather really sailing when one can
travel half again that far and do it comfortably and in a much shorter time
via the sailors route I suggested? What has "sailing" come to these days
when people totally disregard the sailing routes? Do they rely that much on
their oversized motors? It just shows they aren't interested in sailing,
have no concept of sailing and are uninformed dolts giving sailing a bad
name.

Wilbur Hubbard

Wow you really are misguided. How about this for an answer: Their
itinerary dictates that they have a destination first, THEN carry on
with fun sailing. And yes, today's boats allow for tacking, not
worldwide adventure routes. Sailing has come to whatever people want
sailing to be. And motorboats are a very valid way of boating. It's
pompous boneheads like you that insult others that give sailing a bad
name.

That's a poor reason for making sailing plans offshore. This methodology can
easily result in loss of life, boat, or both. Sure, people do all sorts of
things, but that's not a valid reason for someone else doing it. If you
decide to go anyway, you have to be doubly cautious about finding the right
weather window. You're also going to have insurance coverage issues.

"BeeRich" wrote in message
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On May 5, 3:03 pm, Geoff Schultz wrote:
BeeRich wrote
:

On May 5, 12:39 pm, Geoff Schultz wrote:

After I responsed, I realized that I should have asked an obvious (at
least
to me) question. Are you planning on doing this soon? Most people
are
thinking about getting their boats out of the hurricane box by this
time of
the season. You're talking about heading into it. Where are you
going to leave it for hurricane season?

Hi there. We are thinking of going down sometime between August and
October.

As several other people have commented, you're nuts if you want to leave
from FL and go to the BVIs at that time of the year. You're dead center in
the middle of hurricane season. What would happen of you got caught in
one? Where you would go? Are you prepared to lose your boat and/or life?

Most people are departing those waters for safer locations. If you said
that you were thinking of leaving at the end of October, then I'd say that
it's a reasonable trip. However, Aug-Oct is crazy.

I know several people who have made this trip in sailboats, and while it
isn't fun, it's doable. The Van Sant book that I mentioned earier is a
very good guide.

-- Geoffwww.GeoffSchultz.org

It's the only time that is convenient, so that's the time that I am
considering. I haven't made my mind up yet, as that's why I'm asking
in here. The very indication that there is a book on this, means that
it's something that's been done, and people are interested in doing
it.

And no, I don't plan on just walking out into a hurricane. And yes,
I've been through hurricanes. But to say that all of the Caribbean
and Florida is nothing but hurricanes that time of year, is just not
true. So what about the people that you indicate are departing those
waters? They must get caught in hurricanes. I guess they're all dead
then? Of course not.

Part of this thread is about finding a time for such a route. If it
means waiting, then so be it. I look forward to finding that book, if
I decide to do this.

Cheers




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On May 5, 4:50*pm, Peter wrote:
On May 5, 7:46 am, BeeRich wrote:

Hiya folks.

Anybody done this trip? *Any recommendations, cautions, stories? *I'm
wanting to take a sailboat with a crewmate from Florida to BVI via
Abacos, along the islands.

Any input appreciated.

Cheers

Yes, this is doable. *Yes, it is against the prevailing winds most of
the time. *Many have done it, I have done part of it. *The secret is
to have no schedule and to be willing to wait--sometimes for a week or
more or even more yet--for the proper weather windows. *The most
common route is via the Exumas, Long Island and Mayaguana to Turks and
Caicos, then to Dominican Republic, then Puerto Rico and finally the
Virgins. *A really good book to study for this trip is "The
Gentleman's Guide to Passages South" by Bruce Van Sant. *You can go
directly to the Virgins from the Bahamas, but you need a really good
weather window. *Which ever route you choose, be prepared to motor or
motorsail. *Also, even though it is hurricane season, many people
still sail. *Hurricane holes do, but you have to plan carefully.
Needless to say, your insurance company will either charge an arm and
a leg to endorse your your boat or will cancel entirely.

Ah, someone with some experience. Thank you for the post.

The outer Abacos to begin with, then the route you suggest. I wasn't
sure about DR and PR, so I was thinking maybe a close route, but
avoiding those islands altogether.

We have no hard schedule, and obviously we are secondary to favourable
weather. I thought that was usually the case.

Our goal is to get to BVI then settle down and then take some time out
for some alternate visits, but returning to BVI or USVI. I just
remember it being a good location to base out of, so it's our primary
destination as it stands.

On May 5, 6:10*pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
That's a poor reason for making sailing plans offshore. This methodology can
easily result in loss of life, boat, or both. Sure, people do all sorts of
things, but that's not a valid reason for someone else doing it. If you
decide to go anyway, you have to be doubly cautious about finding the right
weather window. You're also going to have insurance coverage issues.

No it was a beginning. Not knowing when the hurricane season is, and
how strong it is predicted to be this year, is indeed a beginning.
Other things in our lives are taking precedence, which have lead us to
this point in time. And yes, sailing does take less priority over the
health of our families. So we just conveniently found ourselves at
this time. If it's packed with hurricanes, then we delay the launch,
that's all.

"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message
.. .

I didn't think that the thorny path was 1200 miles, and that's probably
even a bit short with tacking, but it's definately not 2400 miles.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

Last time I checked it was about 1200 miles as the crow flies from Miami to
the BVIs. Now when you consider it's a beat the whole way because of the
prevailing winds aggravated by a current setting against you, just do the
math. I didn't say it would end up being 2400 miles but it's probably going
to be 1800 all told. So what would you prefer to do. Slog to weather against
prevailing winds and adverse current for 1800 miles or close reach and reach
about the same distance via the sailing route. If you're a sailor you'll
chose the latter.

If you're an ignorant putz like ReeBitch you'll choose the former and during
the peak of hurricane season to boot, fully believing in luck and your
ability to foresee the weather signs and outrun the hurricane to some
dubious shelter. Even Capt. Skippy isn't THAT stupid!

Wilbur Hubbard

"BeeRich" wrote in message
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Dear Wilbur, you moron. Get off your high horse and realize the
world's waters are not yours. To say that nobody sails anywhere south
of the Chesapeake during YOUR time of warning, is just a farce, like
your posts.

Get of your "ignorant" horse and listen to those who know something about
the folly of your intended actions. You're welcome to the world's waters but
they'll be your grave for all eternity if you don't change your uppity
attitude that's clearly based upon abject ignorance and arrogant stupidity.
You don't even know the basic information as to the Atlantic hurricane
season. You don't seem to understand the distances and time involved in
sailing to the BVIs. You seem to think you can stay close to land and run
for shelter. You have no clue as to storm speeds, storm changes in direction
or likely paths. I bet you have never even heard of the term "recurve." You
are just some stupid lubber with dreams that are sure to turn into a
nightmare if you don't become more educated and less like some ignorant
stubborn little girl.

Yah right. Just pick a time because it fits your lubberly schedule. Don't
plan a voyage around winds and currents and tropical storms. Nah, mariners
don't need to do that anymore. We have technology and we have satellites to
predict the weather. We can put our motors in gear and outrun anything. Just
disregard everything about the environment into which you plan to place
yourself irrevocably. Yes, that's the ticket.

What a twit!

Wilbur Hubbard