I am playing with the idea of a boat. I'm new to boating. What would you
folks recommend, power or sail? Do I need extra skills for sail boats? One
more question, do I need a license? and if yes, where do I get it? I'm in
Toronto.

I am playing with the idea of a boat. I'm new to boating. What would you
folks recommend, power or sail?

Do I need extra skills for sail boats?

Yup. In addition to knowing how to run a power boat, (which is what you would
likely be doing the majority of time for local jaunts on most sailboats..) you
need to learn how to sail.

Sailing fits well with folks who aren't in a hurry, and enjoy a more natural
experience. If you're the type who likes to backpack into the woods with a
poncho, a tarp, and a pound of granola you might make a great sailor. If your
idea of getting back to nature is to putt slowly through Yellowstone in a
Winnebago.......you're a powerboater.

Sailing will have you on deck in all kinds of weather, but powerboating can
make you feel isolated from the water.

1000 different boaters will give you 999 different answers. One option is a
power boat with a sailing dinghy. You need a dinghy anyway, might as well have
one rigged for sailing and you can enjoy being blown around by the wind a bit.

Here's an idea: Find two friends with boats.
One a powerboater, and the other a sailor.
Tell them each you will help wash the boat some Saturday if they will take you
out for the afternoon. That should get you a ride. :-)

Then, compare.

It's all boating, it's all having fun on the water. There are those who see
each school of boating as a "divine calling" and sneer at boaters in the
opposite category.
And yes, that's just as ignorant and prejudiced as it seems.

Any kind of boating can be fun.


One
more question, do I need a license? and if yes, where do I get it? I'm in
Toronto.

Some of the Provinces require boaters to complete and education course. I know
BC does. Not sure about Ontario.

On 14 Mar 2004 06:32:31 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

I am playing with the idea of a boat. I'm new to boating. What would you
folks recommend, power or sail?

Do I need extra skills for sail boats?

snippagge

1000 different boaters will give you 999 different answers.

More like 2000 different answers! :-)


One
more question, do I need a license? and if yes, where do I get it? I'm in
Toronto.

Some of the Provinces require boaters to complete and education course. I know
BC does. Not sure about Ontario.


I believe you need a local license in Toronto harbour. BC does not
require any license, but there may be a federal requirement for a
"Pleasure Craft Operators Certificate" depending on size and power of
your boat (I need a PCOC to drive my dinghy, but not for my big boat!)

I suggest you take a Canadian Power Squadron Boating course - see
http://www.cps-ecp.ca to find a squadron near you. (Unfortunately, I
think most squadrons will be finishing their courses soon, and won't
be offering them again til fall.)

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(Gould 0738) wrote in message ...
I am playing with the idea of a boat. I'm new to boating. What would you
folks recommend, power or sail?

Do I need extra skills for sail boats?

Yup. In addition to knowing how to run a power boat, (which is what you would
likely be doing the majority of time for local jaunts on most sailboats..) you
need to learn how to sail.

Sailing fits well with folks who aren't in a hurry, and enjoy a more natural
experience. If you're the type who likes to backpack into the woods with a
poncho, a tarp, and a pound of granola you might make a great sailor. If your
idea of getting back to nature is to putt slowly through Yellowstone in a
Winnebago.......you're a powerboater.

Sailing will have you on deck in all kinds of weather, but powerboating can
make you feel isolated from the water.

1000 different boaters will give you 999 different answers. One option is a
power boat with a sailing dinghy. You need a dinghy anyway, might as well have
one rigged for sailing and you can enjoy being blown around by the wind a bit.

Here's an idea: Find two friends with boats.
One a powerboater, and the other a sailor.
Tell them each you will help wash the boat some Saturday if they will take you
out for the afternoon. That should get you a ride. :-)

Then, compare.

It's all boating, it's all having fun on the water. There are those who see
each school of boating as a "divine calling" and sneer at boaters in the
opposite category.
And yes, that's just as ignorant and prejudiced as it seems.

Any kind of boating can be fun.


One
more question, do I need a license? and if yes, where do I get it? I'm in
Toronto.

Some of the Provinces require boaters to complete and education course. I know
BC does. Not sure about Ontario.


Maybe a motorsailor like a Nauticat. Then either sail or power with
performance simuilar to a trawler but the draft problems of a
sailboat.

(Gould 0738) wrote in message ...
I am playing with the idea of a boat. I'm new to boating. What would you
folks recommend, power or sail?

Do I need extra skills for sail boats?

Yup. In addition to knowing how to run a power boat, (which is what you would
likely be doing the majority of time for local jaunts on most sailboats..) you
need to learn how to sail.

Sailing fits well with folks who aren't in a hurry, and enjoy a more natural
experience. If you're the type who likes to backpack into the woods with a
poncho, a tarp, and a pound of granola you might make a great sailor. If your
idea of getting back to nature is to putt slowly through Yellowstone in a
Winnebago.......you're a powerboater.

Sailing will have you on deck in all kinds of weather, but powerboating can
make you feel isolated from the water.



1000 different boaters will give you 999 different answers. One option is a
power boat with a sailing dinghy. You need a dinghy anyway, might as well have
one rigged for sailing and you can enjoy being blown around by the wind a bit.

Here's an idea: Find two friends with boats.
One a powerboater, and the other a sailor.
Tell them each you will help wash the boat some Saturday if they will take you
out for the afternoon. That should get you a ride. :-)

Then, compare.

It's all boating, it's all having fun on the water. There are those who see
each school of boating as a "divine calling" and sneer at boaters in the
opposite category.
And yes, that's just as ignorant and prejudiced as it seems.

Any kind of boating can be fun.


One
more question, do I need a license? and if yes, where do I get it? I'm in
Toronto.

Some of the Provinces require boaters to complete and education course. I know
BC does. Not sure about Ontario.

A LICENSE TO SAIL???, makes my blood run cold. Once, I went sailing
with a German friend and he innocently asked if I needed a license to
sail. I was appalled into speechlessness but ducked below and got the
shotgun and said "Heres my license".

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"O:P\)" wrote:

I am playing with the idea of a boat. I'm new to boating. What would you
folks recommend, power or sail? Do I need extra skills for sail boats? One
more question, do I need a license? and if yes, where do I get it? I'm in
Toronto.

I don't know if you need a license in Toronto or not. In some places
one has to take an elementary course of some kind in order to operate
a boat if you are younger than a certain age.

Yes you do need extra skills for a sailboat, although there are some
sailboats that never sail, so they are basically motor boats that
can't go under low fixed bridges. But even though there are folks
that have no motors on their sailboats and sail everywhere, usually if
you have a sailboat you also need to know about motor boats too.

There are quite a few different ways of getting into sailing in
Toronto.

Showing up at the sailing clubs on their race days and learn as you go
- by crewing for folks who have boats. Sailing OP (other people's)
boats is a real cheap way to go sailing. Be aware that some people
who race are really into winning and will not be amused if you drop
the sail in the water or commit some other faux pas - if you fall in,
they may not leave the race to come and get you.

There are many folks in the Toronto area who live aboard their boats,
even in the winter. I've also met some going down the ICW - folks from
Toronto and other places in Canada who want to escape the cold. For
some time, even before we had a boat, I belonged to an email list that
is run out of the University of Toronto computer, called the
Live-Aboard List.
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You can talk to some of those folks.

Or you can take lessons from one of the sailing schools. These are
about $1200 CAD for your first 4 levels but each club/school
structures their programs differently and rates vary considerably.

grandma Rosalie
http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/

Thank you for your replies. I think I will be going with sail boat, I just
wanted to hear what others had to say about it and if there are any major
issues to consider. My reasons a
1.the price of the boats, I want a roomy boat, when I look at power boats,
they go for 25-50 thousand when over 25', sail boats are much less
expensive, I've seen 25-27 footers on ebay for 6-12 thousand. I'm sure that
the condition of the boat makes a huge difference in the price (like
anything else, for sure).
2.safety, I think that if a power boat fails to start in the middle of the
lake you are dead in the water (kind of hard to row back to shore a 25-30',
x-thousand pound boat), with the sail boat, you can always catch the wind,
no engine no problem.
3.time. I have my own enterprise and my time is kind of limited (the money
too), but I know I can make time for a boat, here and there couple of days.
So this is something else to consider for me. If I'm going to buy a boat, I
prefer to tide 15 thousand as opposed to 50 thousand on a boat that I'll use
5-6 times a year.
What are you opinions? Please, I need as much info as you folks can provide
from you past experiences.
I don't want to make any more mistakes than what I have to when buying a
boat. Any good surveyors in Toronto area? Should I look for a private deal
or I'm better of with a broker? If I tell a broker that I want to spend
around 10 thousand, will he take me seriously? (his commission will be much
lower than if I'm looking to spend 250, right?)
Eventually, I would like to take the boat to Florida (Miami area), how long
should I plan for a trip like that on a sail boat?
As for sailing/boating schools, any suggestions?

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"O:P\)" wrote:

Thank you for your replies. I think I will be going with sail boat, I just
wanted to hear what others had to say about it and if there are any major
issues to consider. My reasons a

Your reasons are logical, but IMHO naive.

1.the price of the boats, I want a roomy boat, when I look at power boats,
they go for 25-50 thousand when over 25', sail boats are much less
expensive, I've seen 25-27 footers on ebay for 6-12 thousand. I'm sure that
the condition of the boat makes a huge difference in the price (like
anything else, for sure).

Sailboats are often much less roomy than power boats. I would not
have thought that anyone could consider them more roomy.

2.safety, I think that if a power boat fails to start in the middle of the
lake you are dead in the water (kind of hard to row back to shore a 25-30',
x-thousand pound boat), with the sail boat, you can always catch the wind,
no engine no problem.

I don't think you should have a sailboat using this as logic. You
should have a sailboat only if you passionately like sailing.
Otherwise, all that extra gear will be a PITA to maintain. Also it is
just a whole bunch of more things to go wrong.

3.time. I have my own enterprise and my time is kind of limited (the money
too), but I know I can make time for a boat, here and there couple of days.
So this is something else to consider for me. If I'm going to buy a boat, I
prefer to tide 15 thousand as opposed to 50 thousand on a boat that I'll use
5-6 times a year.

If you are only going to go out 5-6 times a year, I'd charter a boat
for those times, and then you won't have the maintenance. Because if
you don't spend some time every week (at the minimum) on the boat, it
will not be ready for you to go out when you are ready to go. And I'd
recommend that you start by chartering a sailboat with a crew
somewhere like the Virgin Islands so that you can see if you really
want to do the whole boating/sailing thing. It will be cheaper in the
long run.

What are you opinions? Please, I need as much info as you folks can provide
from you past experiences.

I don't want to make any more mistakes than what I have to when buying a
boat. Any good surveyors in Toronto area? Should I look for a private deal
or I'm better of with a broker? If I tell a broker that I want to spend
around 10 thousand, will he take me seriously? (his commission will be much
lower than if I'm looking to spend 250, right?)
Eventually, I would like to take the boat to Florida (Miami area), how long
should I plan for a trip like that on a sail boat?
As for sailing/boating schools, any suggestions?

There are quite a few folks who have gone from Toronto specifically
down to Florida and the Bahamas and have websites on the internet
telling their stories. I have one myself (although not from Canada)
at
http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/

Another one that tells of the process of getting a boat is at
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dietrich/MyProgress.html

Some Canadian sailors
http://www.ayc.on.ca/adventure.html
http://members.rogers.com/buttimore/bhbsai.htm
http://www.alberg37.org/Cruising/Tun...eHuron2ICW.htm
http://www.searoom.com/silverheels/silverheels01.htm
http://pages.zdnet.com/ve3erj/MysticLoon/index.html
http://www.2hulls.com/archive/Boat%2...lePassage.html
http://members.aol.com/donatkdg/CS27-CounterPoint.html
http://www.wind-borne.com/journal_Index.htm

Rosalie B. wrote in message
...

Thanks Grandma for one of the links you noted.
I took their IQ test for fun and scored a respectable number that made my
day.
Now I can show this to my 22 year old son and tell him the 'old man' isn't
as dumb as he thinks. ;-)

I'm assuming this test is reasonably accurate.....I hope! (re Tickle IQ
test)

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:21:52 GMT, "O:P\)" wrote:

3.time. I have my own enterprise and my time is kind of limited (the money
too), but I know I can make time for a boat, here and there couple of days.
So this is something else to consider for me. If I'm going to buy a boat, I
prefer to tide 15 thousand as opposed to 50 thousand on a boat that I'll use
5-6 times a year.

You don't want your own boat for that little use. Join a sailing club
to learn and use club boats.


Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

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