"Me" wrote in message
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Larry W4CSC wrote:

Just dreaming.....We'll be stuck with NMEA or some other proprietary
nonsense like Raymarine's or B&G's or other non-compatible stuff
forever.

As long as they'll keep BUYING IT......

check out the Furuno commercial stuff......It's all ethernet.....

Show me a Furuno GPS, fishfinder or fluxgate sensor with ethernet...

Meindert

"John Proctor" wrote in message
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On 2005-02-02 04:08:52 +1100, Larry W4CSC said:

BTW don't trash the technology just because the NMEA marketing arm has
it's 'head stuffed where the sun don't shine' It works very well in the
auto industry worldwide and should work as well in the marine industry
if the NMEA can get over their big boys club attitude to licensing IP!

Meindert is right TCP/IP is just plain stupid overkill!

Hear hear!

And indeed, NMEA should drop the prices. It's just too expensive for small
companies to pay $10,500 to get on the NMEA2000 train....

B.t.w.: it is not that hard to come up with a protocol/interface that
combines the simplicity of NMEA, the multi-talker features of SeaTalk and
the robustness of CAN for just a $1-2 per unit.

Meindert

Wow...it's like a bunch of hornets in here defending their nests....er, ah,
NMEA multiplexer businesses......



"Meindert Sprang" wrote in
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"Me" wrote in message
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In article ,
Larry W4CSC wrote:

Just dreaming.....We'll be stuck with NMEA or some other proprietary
nonsense like Raymarine's or B&G's or other non-compatible stuff
forever.

As long as they'll keep BUYING IT......

check out the Furuno commercial stuff......It's all ethernet.....

Show me a Furuno GPS, fishfinder or fluxgate sensor with ethernet...

Meindert

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in
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"John Proctor" wrote in message
news:2005020207275816807%lost@nowhereorg...
On 2005-02-02 04:08:52 +1100, Larry W4CSC said:

BTW don't trash the technology just because the NMEA marketing arm
has it's 'head stuffed where the sun don't shine' It works very well
in the auto industry worldwide and should work as well in the marine
industry if the NMEA can get over their big boys club attitude to
licensing IP!

Meindert is right TCP/IP is just plain stupid overkill!

Hear hear!

And indeed, NMEA should drop the prices. It's just too expensive for
small companies to pay $10,500 to get on the NMEA2000 train....

Same game they're playing with the yachtsmen. Planned obsolescence. Look
around any marina at the dead carcasses of NMEA's past renditions.....

How many NMEA serial port versions have there been? First we played the
data speed game. Then we "expanded" the protocol instructions.

Of course noone was to blame.....everyone was to blame.

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in
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Show me a Furuno GPS, fishfinder or fluxgate sensor with ethernet...

Meindert


Furuno calls Ethernet "Navnet"....so it can be sold at exhorbitant prices,
in case someone knows what Ethernet stuff costs...(c;

http://www.hfradio.com/furuno.htm

I have no experience with it, but from all I've read you simply plug it
into an Ethernet hub....er, ah....instead of some little NMEA multiplexer
box that only has a few ports....(c;

Use a Netgear hub. They work best for the money....

Here, educate yourself away from the NMEA stuff for a change....
http://www.furuno.com/Furuno/Doc/0/A.../NavNet+Brochu
re+4-12-04.pdf
(add the lines together. Damned embedded cookies.)

MODEL IP ADDRESS alternate HOST NAME alternate
1722/1732/1742/1762 172.031.003.004 172.031.003.006 RADAR RADAR1
1722C/1732C/1742C/1762C 172.031.003.001 172.031.003.007 RADAR RADAR2
1833/1933/1943 172.031.003.002 172.031.003.008 RADAR RADAR3
1833C/1933C/1943C/1953C 172.031.003.003 172.031.003.009 RADAR RADAR4
GP-1700 172.031.014.002 172.031.014.010 PLOTTER PLOTTER1
GP-1700C 172.031.014.001 172.031.014.011 PLOTTER PLOTTER2
GP-1900C 172.031.003.005 172.031.003.012 PLOTTER PLOTTER3
BBFF1 172.031.092.001 Do not change SOUNDER Do not change
NOTE: Display writes any changed information to the BBFF1network card for
retention.
Displaying digital temperature and depth on NavNet display(s), (using BBFF1
as source)
Configure using [MENU] (default setting is NMEA for an external source)
[SYSTEM CONFIGURATION]
[GENERAL SETUP] (use [NMEA] to display input from external depth /
temperature devices)
TEMPERATURE SOURCE [ETR] (transducers with temperature sensor only)
DEPTH SOURCE [ETR]

Here's the IP address for the various models. Unfortunately, none of these
are STANDARDLY compatible with DHCP-enabled routers. Too bad they didn't
make all of them DHCP-enabled so any ol' kid's router could have had more
control over all of them....(sigh)

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in
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"Me" wrote in message
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In article ,
Larry W4CSC wrote:

Just dreaming.....We'll be stuck with NMEA or some other proprietary
nonsense like Raymarine's or B&G's or other non-compatible stuff
forever.

As long as they'll keep BUYING IT......

check out the Furuno commercial stuff......It's all ethernet.....

Show me a Furuno GPS, fishfinder or fluxgate sensor with ethernet...

Meindert



Oops....forgot the pointer to Furuno's Quick Reference Card for the Navnet
Ethernet...

http://www.furuno.com/Furuno/Doc/0/6.../NavNet+Quick+
reference+(rev25).pdf

Damned wordwrap.

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
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"Meindert Sprang" wrote in
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Show me a Furuno GPS, fishfinder or fluxgate sensor with ethernet...

Meindert


Furuno calls Ethernet "Navnet"....so it can be sold at exhorbitant prices,
in case someone knows what Ethernet stuff costs...(c;

I know that Larry, but the devices I mentioned, do not even have Navnet,
just plain NMEA.....
Navnet AKA ethernet adds so much cost to a device that you only see it on
the chartplotters and multifunction units that already cost a few couple of
grand. And you can see that with all manufacturers. If ethernet was really
that cheap, why wouldn't all manufacturers have already equipped all of
their products with ethernet?

Meindert

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
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Wow...it's like a bunch of hornets in here defending their nests....er,
ah,
NMEA multiplexer businesses......

Sure. Especially when people start talking nonsense.

Meindert

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
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How many NMEA serial port versions have there been? First we played the
data speed game. Then we "expanded" the protocol instructions.

What's your point? This has happened with ethernet as well (coax, twisted
pair, 10,100 and 1000Mbit...)

Meindert

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:14:46 +0100, "Meindert Sprang"
wrote:

I know that Larry, but the devices I mentioned, do not even have Navnet,
just plain NMEA.....
Navnet AKA ethernet adds so much cost to a device that you only see it on
the chartplotters and multifunction units that already cost a few couple of
grand. And you can see that with all manufacturers. If ethernet was really
that cheap, why wouldn't all manufacturers have already equipped all of
their products with ethernet?

The cheapest notebooks all have ethernet NICs in them. A PCI NIC is
under $15 retail nowadays.

Product cycles are a lot slower in marine instruments than computers,
but I would expect anything new to have ethernet.




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