Larry, W4CSC wrote:

"I have a 1st Phone (now expired, dammit)
on my wall I worked very hard to get. I keep the damned GROL giveaway
hidden in a drawer, just because they say I have to have it to work on
marine radios. The old 1st Phone MEANT something to the employers and
your peers. It was a badge of accomplishment. It put you in a
fraternity of technicians with proven skills. GROL is a joke. Just
like the Volunteer Examiner ham licenses, it wouldn't surprise me if you
could buy one for $500 under the table.

By the way, the GMDSS operator and servicer tests are a pain in the
ass....(c;"

So where is this GROL license, Larry? couldn't you find the $500? The
FCC doesn't list you as having anything other than a ham license.

"I passed.... "

Passed gas maybe ... The FCC license database doesn't list your name.

What's going on, Larry? How come the FCC doesn't have you in the license
database?

Rick

My opinion is that most licenses today are really fees; and the government
makes the processes so complicated that they cost more to run than they
collect in revenues.

"Rick" wrote in message
k.net...
Larry, W4CSC wrote:

"I have a 1st Phone (now expired, dammit)
on my wall I worked very hard to get. I keep the damned GROL giveaway
hidden in a drawer, just because they say I have to have it to work on
marine radios. The old 1st Phone MEANT something to the employers and
your peers. It was a badge of accomplishment. It put you in a
fraternity of technicians with proven skills. GROL is a joke. Just
like the Volunteer Examiner ham licenses, it wouldn't surprise me if you
could buy one for $500 under the table.

By the way, the GMDSS operator and servicer tests are a pain in the
ass....(c;"

So where is this GROL license, Larry? couldn't you find the $500? The
FCC doesn't list you as having anything other than a ham license.

"I passed.... "

Passed gas maybe ... The FCC license database doesn't list your name.

What's going on, Larry? How come the FCC doesn't have you in the license
database?

Rick

$500? The GROL is free. Just a small fee to the testing center.

Doug, k3qt
s/v Callista

"Rick" wrote in message
k.net...
Larry, W4CSC wrote:

"I have a 1st Phone (now expired, dammit)
on my wall I worked very hard to get. I keep the damned GROL giveaway
hidden in a drawer, just because they say I have to have it to work on
marine radios. The old 1st Phone MEANT something to the employers and
your peers. It was a badge of accomplishment. It put you in a
fraternity of technicians with proven skills. GROL is a joke. Just
like the Volunteer Examiner ham licenses, it wouldn't surprise me if you
could buy one for $500 under the table.

By the way, the GMDSS operator and servicer tests are a pain in the
ass....(c;"

So where is this GROL license, Larry? couldn't you find the $500? The
FCC doesn't list you as having anything other than a ham license.

"I passed.... "

Passed gas maybe ... The FCC license database doesn't list your name.

What's going on, Larry? How come the FCC doesn't have you in the license
database?

Rick

No fees for either the ham licenses or the GROL, GMDSS, etc.
Just the cost of taking the test which goes to the testing center.
In the case of ham it goes for the out-of-pocket expenses for
the VEC, VE, and club that administers the test (usually around $7).
For the GROL etc, I took my tests at a Sylvan Testing Center
and the cost was around $25.

Doug, k3qt
s/v Callista

"William G. Andersen" wrote in message
news:7qnIc.1580$z37.453@fed1read05...
My opinion is that most licenses today are really fees; and the government
makes the processes so complicated that they cost more to run than they
collect in revenues.

"Rick" wrote in message
k.net...
Larry, W4CSC wrote:

"I have a 1st Phone (now expired, dammit)
on my wall I worked very hard to get. I keep the damned GROL giveaway
hidden in a drawer, just because they say I have to have it to work on
marine radios. The old 1st Phone MEANT something to the employers and
your peers. It was a badge of accomplishment. It put you in a
fraternity of technicians with proven skills. GROL is a joke. Just
like the Volunteer Examiner ham licenses, it wouldn't surprise me if you
could buy one for $500 under the table.

By the way, the GMDSS operator and servicer tests are a pain in the
ass....(c;"

So where is this GROL license, Larry? couldn't you find the $500? The
FCC doesn't list you as having anything other than a ham license.

"I passed.... "

Passed gas maybe ... The FCC license database doesn't list your name.

What's going on, Larry? How come the FCC doesn't have you in the license
database?

Rick

Larry, W4CSC wrote:

Just like the Volunteer Examiner ham licenses, it wouldn't surprise me if
you
could buy one for $500 under the table.

I'm a Volunteer Examiner, Larry. I'd be seriously shocked if anybody
offered $500 instead of just taking and passing the very, very simple test.
Id be less surprised if some beautiful young woman offered me $500 for sex.
If somebody did offer to buy a license, I'd tell them to go take the QRZ
practice exams over and over til they regularly got 80% correct, then spend
the $500 on a rig and come take the exam.

Doug Dotson wrote:
$500? The GROL is free. Just a small fee to the testing center.

The point is that Larry was whining and moaning about how his "expired"
license was so much more a measure of his skills and qualities than the
GROL that he claims he keeps "hidden in a drawer ..." He also claims to
possess what he calls a "DB" license (GMDSS operator/maintainer to those
of us who have one) that the FCC doesn't give him credit for holding.
Maybe they don't know about his drawer.

He stated:

"Just like the Volunteer Examiner ham licenses, it wouldn't
surprise me if you could buy one for $500 under the table."

The object of my post was to expose what appears on the surface to be a
long running fraud on Larry's part regarding his license status and his
self asserted superiority above those holding what he describes as
lesser certificates. According to the FCC, Larry holds nothing more than
a ham license.

It is entirely possible that the FCC has somehow missed entering Larry's
licenses into its database, or Larry has changed his name or some other
strange set of circumstances, but yours are there, mine are there. The
only licenses missing seem to be Larry's.

It just seems odd after all Larry's talk about acting as radio guru and
engineer on his friend's sailboat and all his lecturing on the training,
skills, and licensing yachties need before using their radios. I just
can't imagine Larry breaking all those regulations he was always quoting.

Larry is strangely quiet on the issue.

Rick K7TUG

Silence is golden

"Rick" wrote in message
k.net...
Doug Dotson wrote:
$500? The GROL is free. Just a small fee to the testing center.

The point is that Larry was whining and moaning about how his "expired"
license was so much more a measure of his skills and qualities than the
GROL that he claims he keeps "hidden in a drawer ..." He also claims to
possess what he calls a "DB" license (GMDSS operator/maintainer to those
of us who have one) that the FCC doesn't give him credit for holding.
Maybe they don't know about his drawer.

He stated:

"Just like the Volunteer Examiner ham licenses, it wouldn't
surprise me if you could buy one for $500 under the table."

The object of my post was to expose what appears on the surface to be a
long running fraud on Larry's part regarding his license status and his
self asserted superiority above those holding what he describes as
lesser certificates. According to the FCC, Larry holds nothing more than
a ham license.

It is entirely possible that the FCC has somehow missed entering Larry's
licenses into its database, or Larry has changed his name or some other
strange set of circumstances, but yours are there, mine are there. The
only licenses missing seem to be Larry's.

It just seems odd after all Larry's talk about acting as radio guru and
engineer on his friend's sailboat and all his lecturing on the training,
skills, and licensing yachties need before using their radios. I just
can't imagine Larry breaking all those regulations he was always quoting.

Larry is strangely quiet on the issue.

Rick K7TUG

Doug Dotson wrote:
Silence is golden

In Larry's case I think another cliche is appropriate; his silence
speaks volumes.

Rick

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:12:38 GMT, Rick wrote:

It is entirely possible that the FCC has somehow missed entering Larry's
licenses into its database, or Larry has changed his name or some other
strange set of circumstances, but yours are there, mine are there. The
only licenses missing seem to be Larry's.

Hi Rick,

Not to change the subject, but I am wondering how to do a search of the
ULS. For example, I hold both an Amateur Extra Class (W1HJF) and a
commercial radiotelephone, but when I search on my full name, I come up
with nothing. If I search on just my last name, I show my commercial
ticket, but no amateur license. Yet, if I search on my callsign (W1HJF),
it is there. What's the trick?
--

Larry Rappaport W1HJF
email is rapp at lmr dot com

Larry wrote:

Not to change the subject, but I am wondering how to do a search of the
ULS. For example, I hold both an Amateur Extra Class (W1HJF) and a
commercial radiotelephone, but when I search on my full name, I come up
with nothing. If I search on just my last name, I show my commercial
ticket, but no amateur license. Yet, if I search on my callsign (W1HJF),
it is there. What's the trick?

Go to:
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsS...chAdvanced.jsp


Enter your NAME - LAST, FIRST M.I. just as it was displayed when you
found your entry via your callsign. Do not enter any other information
or check any other boxes.

Entering your name will provide all the licenses you hold. Entering your
call sign will only provide info on that license.

It is a tricky database, but very complete. I went through the same
thing the first time I used it. I couldn't find anything even though I
was holding the paper in my hand and entering the numbers.

Rick