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Raymarine A70 problems
Larry,
Actually, I think exactly the opposite is true. I believe NMEA multiplexers could be made using NMEA over TCP/IP on an Ethernet backbone transparently to the end NMEA device. This technique is used commonly in existing networks today, where the TCP/IP header is used exclusively for routing purposes and at the endpoint device, the TCP/IP header is stripped and the NMEA sentence is presented to the NMEA customer bit serial transparently in the normal manner. Similar devices already exist on the market as Ethernet gateways to RS232/422 devices. Additionally, advanced QOS is available for priority routing if required, preserving the advantage of manufacturer independence and all the advantages of Ethernet. I personally believe this represents a golden opportunity. Steve "Larry" wrote in message ... "Steve Lusardi" wrote in : Ethernet has it all covered, but Meidert and I have had this discussion a while back and I didn't convince him then. Maybe today, he's older now. Steve Meindert, no offense, but he makes NMEA multiplexers. Ethernet would be the end of that business. -- iPhone 4 is to cellular technology what the Titanic is to cruise ships. Larry |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... "Steve Lusardi" wrote in : Ethernet has it all covered, but Meidert and I have had this discussion a while back and I didn't convince him then. Maybe today, he's older now. Steve Meindert, no offense, but he makes NMEA multiplexers. Ethernet would be the end of that business. Not at all. I'll be having a MiniPlex-2E in a couple of days. Meindert |
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"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
... Larry, You normally have your act together, but not this time. Meindert is correct about his stated risks, but he is overstating the cost of Ethernet solutions. Today they are canned in firmware and reasonably priced. The savings in installation complexity, drastically increased speed and system flexibility far exceeds any increase in component cost. Please don't get me wrong. 802.11 has its place, but not in systems where data integrity are safety issues. CAN solutions work well and meet equipment manufacturer's requirements, but as an end user I must counter with a standardization argument. The only thing that is standard is the CAN pipe, everything else is proprietary and manufacturer unique. The ability to mix and match instruments and devices from different manufacturers would virtually disappear. Furthermore, the CAN bus is slow in relation to Ethernet, reducing the amount of net users and traffic the pipe could ultimately handle. Then there is the question of physical pipe length and noise susceptibility. Ethernet has it all covered, but Meidert and I have had this discussion a while back and I didn't convince him then. Maybe today, he's older now. And you still cannot convince me of the idea that an ethernet interface can be as cheap as an RS-422 interface. The canned solutions you talk about still cost considerably more than a simple Rs-422 tranceiver chip. Of course I could have taken an ethernet version of the controller I use in my multiplexers, but I still would have to add a transformer and at minimum a UDP stack and, if you want the ease of ethernet, the complete DCHP stuff to the existing software. You simply cannot compare a dedicated non-mass market device to mass market PC stuff which cost next to nothing for two purposes: 1) a huge market and 2) a complete multi megabyte OS to support the dumb and cheap hardware. This is the same discussion as with Bluetooth. You can buy BT dongels for a couple of dollars/euros but these rely on Windows to operate. The modules I use cost 20 times that much because 1) the volume is much lower and 2) they contain a complete processing system to do what windows would otherwise have done. Meindert |
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