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Hello Bruce,
Tried to use your mailing address - no success ... sorry! In the newsgroup aus.sport.sailing - 12-02-2005, I read with great interest about your set up in your boat ... It is a solution, I'm very much after. Just recently, I bought a 'new' sailboat - 15 years old... It is equipped with rather new Raymarine instruments - ST60 series - 230 VHF, RC 530 Chart Plotter, and 4000 tiller Autopilot - all elements are connected in a SeaTalk net ... The instruments are visible from the cockpit, but the VHF and the chartplotter, are mounted ind the cabin. As I do not want to make physical changes to this set up, and as I do have a notebook and a PPC with a GPS (a little RoyalTek RGM 2000-thing), I'm looking for a cheap solution to my 'cockpit-chartplotter-problem' ... I find the prices of the Raymarine hsb2 interface plus their RNS navigations software far too stiff for my budget, and as I already do have some sea maps from Maptech and some nordic electronic maps = versions, that are not compatible with anything else in the world - (called 'the living seamap' = DLSK - but they cover all of Denmark, Southern and Western Sweden and Southern part of Norway) ... I'm pretty eager to use, what I have ... I have - therefore and for the time being - reduced my level of ambition from a totally 'Raymarine' integrated system based on C-Map charts and RNS 5.0 - to a more modest level: Run my notebook with the maps/applications I have (Navigator Lite from Maptech and DLSK) - 'hook up' a USB-GPS to the PC, and somehow 'connect' the PPC to my notebook PC (Win XP) so I can keep my notebook 'down under' but with access from/or 'controlled by' my PPC. I don't have bluetooth, so I will have to accept cables - or what? ... at least in the first implementation I'm afraid .... As I'm not at all competent within this field of 'system integration', I would very much appreciate, if you would accept to give me a little more detailed information about how I should go about, if I want to implement the solution, you have outlined in your 'letter' to the newsgroup. I do not intend to integrate the system with the RayMarine system. So my problem is 'only' to establish a 'cockpit-chartplotter-function' i.e. the right connection between the notebook PC and the PPC running windows ... Microsoft Pocket PC vers. 3.0.11171. As I'm very 'intrigued' by the wireless solution, I'm curious as to what it takes to implement that set up in my case ... I have been at the vnc homepage, which I find very interesting, but hard to understand ... my age and my weak background within this field - unfortunately ... If you will help me, I will be happy - thank you! Being a Dane, I have problems finding the correct words etc., but I do hope my mail is understandable. Best regards -- Flemming Torp 'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working' .... |
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Hej Flemming,
Could one of our NMEA multiplexers be of any use? We have a version that translates Seatalk into NMEA and broadcasts the NMEA data over Bluetooth to a PDA running standard navigation software. Take a look at www.shipmodul.com and select MiniPlex-41BT or MiniPlex-42BT from the Products page. Meindert "Flemming Torp" fletop(kanelbolle)2rp.d(anmar)k wrote in message . .. Hello Bruce, Tried to use your mailing address - no success ... sorry! In the newsgroup aus.sport.sailing - 12-02-2005, I read with great interest about your set up in your boat ... It is a solution, I'm very much after. Just recently, I bought a 'new' sailboat - 15 years old... It is equipped with rather new Raymarine instruments - ST60 series - 230 VHF, RC 530 Chart Plotter, and 4000 tiller Autopilot - all elements are connected in a SeaTalk net ... The instruments are visible from the cockpit, but the VHF and the chartplotter, are mounted ind the cabin. As I do not want to make physical changes to this set up, and as I do have a notebook and a PPC with a GPS (a little RoyalTek RGM 2000-thing), I'm looking for a cheap solution to my 'cockpit-chartplotter-problem' ... I find the prices of the Raymarine hsb2 interface plus their RNS navigations software far too stiff for my budget, and as I already do have some sea maps from Maptech and some nordic electronic maps = versions, that are not compatible with anything else in the world - (called 'the living seamap' = DLSK - but they cover all of Denmark, Southern and Western Sweden and Southern part of Norway) ... I'm pretty eager to use, what I have ... I have - therefore and for the time being - reduced my level of ambition from a totally 'Raymarine' integrated system based on C-Map charts and RNS 5.0 - to a more modest level: Run my notebook with the maps/applications I have (Navigator Lite from Maptech and DLSK) - 'hook up' a USB-GPS to the PC, and somehow 'connect' the PPC to my notebook PC (Win XP) so I can keep my notebook 'down under' but with access from/or 'controlled by' my PPC. I don't have bluetooth, so I will have to accept cables - or what? ... at least in the first implementation I'm afraid ... As I'm not at all competent within this field of 'system integration', I would very much appreciate, if you would accept to give me a little more detailed information about how I should go about, if I want to implement the solution, you have outlined in your 'letter' to the newsgroup. I do not intend to integrate the system with the RayMarine system. So my problem is 'only' to establish a 'cockpit-chartplotter-function' i.e. the right connection between the notebook PC and the PPC running windows ... Microsoft Pocket PC vers. 3.0.11171. As I'm very 'intrigued' by the wireless solution, I'm curious as to what it takes to implement that set up in my case ... I have been at the vnc homepage, which I find very interesting, but hard to understand ... my age and my weak background within this field - unfortunately ... If you will help me, I will be happy - thank you! Being a Dane, I have problems finding the correct words etc., but I do hope my mail is understandable. Best regards -- Flemming Torp 'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working' ... |
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Hello Meinert,
Thank you for your proposal Meinert. I have also been visiting your homepage. Very interesting and inspiring! By reading many of the 'letters' in this and other news groups, I have seen your many relevant comments. Being an 'electronic amateur', I'm not sure, I fully understand your input in this case. Sorry for that. Maybe a little clarification from my side can help, as I find myself 'fighting with incompatible solutions' so to speak ... On the actual RayMarine Seatalk-system, that is totally integrated, I do have a "PC-SeaTalk-NMEA Interface Box Product Number: E85001: Interface adapter used to connect PCs running RayTech software to the Raymarine SeaTalk data network. Can also be used to connect NMEA 0183 devices and computers running NMEA 0183 compatible navigation software to the SeaTalk network." The above text is taken directly from http://www.raymarine.com/raymarine/P...duc t_id=2976 Unfortunately, I have not been succesful in establishing any kind of meaningful communication between that interface and my notebook applications DLSK and Maptech Navigator Lite ... I'm still trying to figure out, what the problem is: The serial cable? The serial to USB cable? The serial port on the PC, The E85001 box? Right COM port? Conflict? or ... or ... Back to my problem: Among other things, I have a Scandinavian navigation system -DLSK - in case you read some Danish - here is a link: http://www.kms.dk/C1256BBB0028D4B5/(AllDocsByDocId)/3C9CB235258BF63CC1256BDB002B4EC6?open&page=detleve ndeskort2&omr=KORT_FRITIDSSEJLADS it is not compatible with anything else. (I am afraid, that this link is a bit too long or what?). The DLSK-system consists of 3 CD's with some two hundred sea maps covering the waters around Denmark, Southern Norway, and Western Sweden, harbours, and differenet themes. I used to work with this system in combinantion with my old Garmin GPS on my former boat. That did cost me a notebook - unfortunately - because the PC did not like the 'salt taste of Kattegat' ... but it worked ... until ... That program does not run on a PDA. As I would like to keep my new notebook 'down under' protected from the wawes of Kattegat and Skagerak, I'm trying to figure out how to use my PDA (that does not have blue tooth, but a little RoyalTek GPS unit) as a screen 'reflecting' the monitor of the notebook, that runs the DLSK application/maps. It is in no way my intention to try to integrate this system with the Raymarine Seatalk System - except, maybe, for the use of the GPS, as I would like to use the Ray GPS on the notebook two - via the above mentioned interface: Seatalk --- NMEA. If it was not for the DKK, £ or $, I think I would buy the RayMarine package ... but as I think I have most of the components for establishing a 'cockpit-chartplotter-solution', I think that will be, well ... my short term solution. (My 'captain' supports this view point very strongly). As she is saying: We have always been able to mange with all the paper maps .... and ... isn't she right? In short - that was my reason for asking Bruce for some more information about his solution with a combination of a notebook (in the drawer) running the navigations package and the PPC in the cockpit - 'controlling' the notebook with some software called vnc, something, by the way, I don't know anything about. But his statemenst made me curious. I have also tried to address this question to some it-related newsgroups ... so far without a useful answer ... Do you think your NMEA multiplexer could play an active role in my situation? Or are we talking on different subjects? If so, I do apologise. As to the Maptech application, that can be run on a PDA/PPC (I don't know the real difference between these two terms): As my PPC has its own GPS unit, I don't think I would need any multiplexor in that case - right? And the PPC unit can not read the C-Map charts that are used in the Raymarine chart plotter ... do you know whether the RC530 could output some useful information to the PDA/PPC? Again sorry for my language. There are so many words I know in Danish ... and I'm a little confuse to be honest - so I'm trying to make myself understandable - hope you are tolerant and flexible ... Best regards -- Flemming Torp 'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working' .... "Meindert Sprang" skrev i en meddelelse ... Hej Flemming, Could one of our NMEA multiplexers be of any use? We have a version that translates Seatalk into NMEA and broadcasts the NMEA data over Bluetooth to a PDA running standard navigation software. Take a look at www.shipmodul.com and select MiniPlex-41BT or MiniPlex-42BT from the Products page. Meindert "Flemming Torp" fletop(kanelbolle)2rp.d(anmar)k wrote in message . .. Hello Bruce, Tried to use your mailing address - no success ... sorry! In the newsgroup aus.sport.sailing - 12-02-2005, I read with great interest about your set up in your boat ... It is a solution, I'm very much after. Just recently, I bought a 'new' sailboat - 15 years old... It is equipped with rather new Raymarine instruments - ST60 series - 230 VHF, RC 530 Chart Plotter, and 4000 tiller Autopilot - all elements are connected in a SeaTalk net ... The instruments are visible from the cockpit, but the VHF and the chartplotter, are mounted ind the cabin. As I do not want to make physical changes to this set up, and as I do have a notebook and a PPC with a GPS (a little RoyalTek RGM 2000-thing), I'm looking for a cheap solution to my 'cockpit-chartplotter-problem' ... I find the prices of the Raymarine hsb2 interface plus their RNS navigations software far too stiff for my budget, and as I already do have some sea maps from Maptech and some nordic electronic maps = versions, that are not compatible with anything else in the world - (called 'the living seamap' = DLSK - but they cover all of Denmark, Southern and Western Sweden and Southern part of Norway) ... I'm pretty eager to use, what I have ... I have - therefore and for the time being - reduced my level of ambition from a totally 'Raymarine' integrated system based on C-Map charts and RNS 5.0 - to a more modest level: Run my notebook with the maps/applications I have (Navigator Lite from Maptech and DLSK) - 'hook up' a USB-GPS to the PC, and somehow 'connect' the PPC to my notebook PC (Win XP) so I can keep my notebook 'down under' but with access from/or 'controlled by' my PPC. I don't have bluetooth, so I will have to accept cables - or what? ... at least in the first implementation I'm afraid ... As I'm not at all competent within this field of 'system integration', I would very much appreciate, if you would accept to give me a little more detailed information about how I should go about, if I want to implement the solution, you have outlined in your 'letter' to the newsgroup. I do not intend to integrate the system with the RayMarine system. So my problem is 'only' to establish a 'cockpit-chartplotter-function' i.e. the right connection between the notebook PC and the PPC running windows ... Microsoft Pocket PC vers. 3.0.11171. As I'm very 'intrigued' by the wireless solution, I'm curious as to what it takes to implement that set up in my case ... I have been at the vnc homepage, which I find very interesting, but hard to understand ... my age and my weak background within this field - unfortunately ... If you will help me, I will be happy - thank you! Being a Dane, I have problems finding the correct words etc., but I do hope my mail is understandable. Best regards -- Flemming Torp 'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working' ... |
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"Flemming Torp" fletop(kanelbolle)2rp.d(anmar)k wrote in message
. .. Hello Meinert, Thank you for your proposal Meinert. I have also been visiting your homepage. Very interesting and inspiring! By reading many of the 'letters' in this and other news groups, I have seen your many relevant comments. Being an 'electronic amateur', I'm not sure, I fully understand your input in this case. Sorry for that. Maybe a little clarification from my side can help, as I find myself 'fighting with incompatible solutions' so to speak ... snip Do you think your NMEA multiplexer could play an active role in my situation? Or are we talking on different subjects? I think we were. It was indeed not quite clear to me what you wanted to achieve. I thought you merely wanted to run navigation software on your PDA in parallel with software on your laptop, and wanted to hook up Seatalk too. That's why I chimed in, because I thought our BT multiplexers could help here to translate Seatalk into NMEA, feed it to the laptop via the serial port and at the same time to your PDA over bluetooth. But for the VNC stuff, our solution is useless :-) Meindert |
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Thank you for coming back Meindert.
No, my problem is a kind of country specific, as a lot of Danes have invested in sea maps covering Denmark, West Sweden and Southern Norway, but the format is not compatible with anything in the world, and cannot run on a PPC - only on a Win PC, and you are not allowed to get some one to convert the maps into another format etc. Otherwise, I would not have bothered - even thinking of this solution. And, most feedback from other people gives me the impression, that I should look for an external monitor to my notebook, that is prohibited access to the cockpit if it is more than 4m/sec or there are more than three clouds on the sky .... -- Flemming Torp 'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working' .... "Meindert Sprang" skrev i en meddelelse ... "Flemming Torp" fletop(kanelbolle)2rp.d(anmar)k wrote in message . .. Hello Meinert, Thank you for your proposal Meinert. I have also been visiting your homepage. Very interesting and inspiring! By reading many of the 'letters' in this and other news groups, I have seen your many relevant comments. Being an 'electronic amateur', I'm not sure, I fully understand your input in this case. Sorry for that. Maybe a little clarification from my side can help, as I find myself 'fighting with incompatible solutions' so to speak ... snip Do you think your NMEA multiplexer could play an active role in my situation? Or are we talking on different subjects? I think we were. It was indeed not quite clear to me what you wanted to achieve. I thought you merely wanted to run navigation software on your PDA in parallel with software on your laptop, and wanted to hook up Seatalk too. That's why I chimed in, because I thought our BT multiplexers could help here to translate Seatalk into NMEA, feed it to the laptop via the serial port and at the same time to your PDA over bluetooth. But for the VNC stuff, our solution is useless :-) Meindert |
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Meindert Sprang wrote:
Hej Flemming, Could one of our NMEA multiplexers be of any use? We have a version that translates Seatalk into NMEA and broadcasts the NMEA data over Bluetooth to a PDA running standard navigation software. Take a look at www.shipmodul.com and select MiniPlex-41BT or MiniPlex-42BT from the Products page. Meindert "Flemming Torp" fletop(kanelbolle)2rp.d(anmar)k wrote in message . .. Hello Bruce, Tried to use your mailing address - no success ... sorry! In the newsgroup aus.sport.sailing - 12-02-2005, I read with great interest about your set up in your boat ... It is a solution, I'm very much after. Just recently, I bought a 'new' sailboat - 15 years old... It is equipped with rather new Raymarine instruments - ST60 series - 230 VHF, RC 530 Chart Plotter, and 4000 tiller Autopilot - all elements are connected in a SeaTalk net ... The instruments are visible from the cockpit, but the VHF and the chartplotter, are mounted ind the cabin. As I do not want to make physical changes to this set up, and as I do have a notebook and a PPC with a GPS (a little RoyalTek RGM 2000-thing), I'm looking for a cheap solution to my 'cockpit-chartplotter-problem' ... I find the prices of the Raymarine hsb2 interface plus their RNS navigations software far too stiff for my budget, and as I already do have some sea maps from Maptech and some nordic electronic maps = versions, that are not compatible with anything else in the world - (called 'the living seamap' = DLSK - but they cover all of Denmark, Southern and Western Sweden and Southern part of Norway) ... I'm pretty eager to use, what I have ... I have - therefore and for the time being - reduced my level of ambition from a totally 'Raymarine' integrated system based on C-Map charts and RNS 5.0 - to a more modest level: Run my notebook with the maps/applications I have (Navigator Lite from Maptech and DLSK) - 'hook up' a USB-GPS to the PC, and somehow 'connect' the PPC to my notebook PC (Win XP) so I can keep my notebook 'down under' but with access from/or 'controlled by' my PPC. I don't have bluetooth, so I will have to accept cables - or what? ... at least in the first implementation I'm afraid ... As I'm not at all competent within this field of 'system integration', I would very much appreciate, if you would accept to give me a little more detailed information about how I should go about, if I want to implement the solution, you have outlined in your 'letter' to the newsgroup. I do not intend to integrate the system with the RayMarine system. So my problem is 'only' to establish a 'cockpit-chartplotter-function' i.e. the right connection between the notebook PC and the PPC running windows ... Microsoft Pocket PC vers. 3.0.11171. As I'm very 'intrigued' by the wireless solution, I'm curious as to what it takes to implement that set up in my case ... I have been at the vnc homepage, which I find very interesting, but hard to understand ... my age and my weak background within this field - unfortunately ... If you will help me, I will be happy - thank you! Being a Dane, I have problems finding the correct words etc., but I do hope my mail is understandable. Best regards -- Flemming Torp 'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working' ... It would seem that our friend wishes to control a notebook and it's software located in the cabin from a PDA located in the cockpit. If I am correct in this assumption, I would have thought this to be impossible, since the notebook's functions cannot be replicated in the PDA, can they? Laplink allows you to control one PC from another (remote) PC, but that is because they are both PC's and have the same architecture. I stand corrected if this is not the case! Dennis. -- Satellite photocharts of the UK & Ireland available, excellent detail and accurate calibration using Oziexplorer. Remove *nospam* to reply. |
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"Dennis Pogson" skrev i en
meddelelse ... Meindert Sprang wrote: Hej Flemming, Could one of our NMEA multiplexers be of any use? We have a version that translates Seatalk into NMEA and broadcasts the NMEA data over Bluetooth to a PDA running standard navigation software. Take a look at www.shipmodul.com and select MiniPlex-41BT or MiniPlex-42BT from the Products page. Meindert "Flemming Torp" fletop(kanelbolle)2rp.d(anmar)k wrote in message . .. Hello Bruce, Tried to use your mailing address - no success ... sorry! In the newsgroup aus.sport.sailing - 12-02-2005, I read with great interest about your set up in your boat ... It is a solution, I'm very much after. snip Best regards -- Flemming Torp 'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working' ... It would seem that our friend wishes to control a notebook and it's software located in the cabin from a PDA located in the cockpit. If I am correct in this assumption, I would have thought this to be impossible, since the notebook's functions cannot be replicated in the PDA, can they? Laplink allows you to control one PC from another (remote) PC, but that is because they are both PC's and have the same architecture. I stand corrected if this is not the case! Dennis. -- Satellite photocharts of the UK & Ireland available, excellent detail and accurate calibration using Oziexplorer. Remove *nospam* to reply. Hello Dennis - Thank you for your precision - this is exactly, what I want. I have asked the supplier of DLSK ('free translation: The Living Sea Map = Det levende SøKort) in Denmark, and they confirm, that their application cannot run on a PPC. Maptech has a program, that can run on the PPC. So - in order not to loose one more notebook - I would accept the small screen on my PPC, if it can control the notebook PC running the DLSK apllication ... During periods with sunshine and easy wind, I could use my notebook as a 'cockpit-chartplotter' ... The reason for adressing my problem to this newsgroup was the letter from bruce: "being one who sails about the planet on his own, i've often had to duck below to check my nav software whilst negotiating a passage with the remote on the autotiller, and often get sidetracked whilst i'm there... until now. what i've got running now is vnc server on the laptop with a wireless nic and vncviewer on the wireless pda, it works like a charm and it also means i can keep the laptop more securely stashed away in a drawer. there's an excellent freeware version for the pocketpc and on the pda it is much better than mstsc." Being an amateur within this field, I'm not sure I understand everything of the above, but it sounds as a solution to my problem ... The major difference is, that I do not have all this wireless gear, and is willing to experiment with the hardware I have - including annoying cables - until my 'captain' accepts the obvious long term solution ... That leads me to a new question: Has anyone of you guys experience with a flatscreen - placed in the cockpit - working as the second monitor on a notebook - placed in the cabin? ... Are you aware og a product, that can stand the 'hostile cockpit environment' - is rather modest on the batteries, can be read in daylight, and - at the same time - does not cost anything like the RayMarine Monitor? I do have a wireless mouse/keyboard, and I can accept the mouse in the cockpit ... -- Flemming Torp 'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working' .... |
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Dennis Pogson wrote:
It would seem that our friend wishes to control a notebook and it's software located in the cabin from a PDA located in the cockpit. If I am correct in this assumption, I would have thought this to be impossible, since the notebook's functions cannot be replicated in the PDA, can they? No, they can't. If they could be, he wouldn't need the notebook, would he? What he can do, and what he wants to do, is merely to view and control the laptop from the PDA. VNC is almost certainly the answer here - there will be a server for the laptop whatever operating system it uses. There may or may not be a viewer for the PDA depending on what kind it is, but there's a good chance that one will be available. I'm not sure how it will cope with the difference in screen sizes, but the author of the PDA VNC viewer will have thought of that and come up with something for better or worse. You can stick VNC into google as well as I can if you want a link. Pete |
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Thank you Pete, for trying to help me out. What I want is to
protect my new (!) notebook (running WinXP) - control it from my PPC (a windows version with MS Outlook, Navigation and MS ActiveSync) in the cockpit - and as my notebook application (DLSK) cannot run on the PPC and as the application cannot be transferred to the PPC, I would like to use my PPC as a 'viewer'. An alternative could be an external monitor to the notebook, and then I could use my cordles mouse controlling the applikation ... Unfortunately, monitor prices (5 - 10 KU$) for that kind of application is prohibitive for my wallet and needs. Its a 'nice to have'-solution, I'm after ... I have been searching on the vnc site - very informative by the way ... But I have not been able to see, whether my specific problem - (i.e. PPC as the 'controller', and I don't have an internet/TCP/IP on my boat, and the formats of the different screens may also pose problems(?)) is being solved. I may present to them my specific problem, as I'm not an IT-expert, and it is hard to read through all the pages of the VNC manual, that I have already downloaded ... so far, I have not seen a solution to my problem. -- Flemming Torp 'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working' .... "Pete Verdon" d skrev i en meddelelse ... Dennis Pogson wrote: It would seem that our friend wishes to control a notebook and it's software located in the cabin from a PDA located in the cockpit. If I am correct in this assumption, I would have thought this to be impossible, since the notebook's functions cannot be replicated in the PDA, can they? No, they can't. If they could be, he wouldn't need the notebook, would he? What he can do, and what he wants to do, is merely to view and control the laptop from the PDA. VNC is almost certainly the answer here - there will be a server for the laptop whatever operating system it uses. There may or may not be a viewer for the PDA depending on what kind it is, but there's a good chance that one will be available. I'm not sure how it will cope with the difference in screen sizes, but the author of the PDA VNC viewer will have thought of that and come up with something for better or worse. You can stick VNC into google as well as I can if you want a link. Pete |
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Flemming Torp wrote:
Thank you Pete, for trying to help me out. What I want is to protect my new (!) notebook (running WinXP) - control it from my PPC (a windows version with MS Outlook, Navigation and MS ActiveSync) in the cockpit - and as my notebook application (DLSK) cannot run on the PPC and as the application cannot be transferred to the PPC, I would like to use my PPC as a 'viewer'. Yup, that's exactly the kind of thing VNC is for. I don't have an internet/TCP/IP on my boat, All that's needed is a network connection between the laptop and the PPC. You will need this to control one from the other, whatever system you use. I'm afraid I can't really help you with that as I know nothing about PDAs. One way would be to get a wireless network card for the laptop (under £10 if you shop in the right place) and for the PDA (no idea how much these cost), assuming neither of them have one already. Pete |
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