This is posted on the IMO page: what are the concerns ans implications?
I have seen many people broadcasting the ships positions on the webb.

Maritime security - AIS ship data

At its79th session in December 2004, the Maritime Safety Committee
(MSC) agreed that, in relation to the issue of freely available
automatic information system (AIS)-generated ship data on the
world-wide web, the publication on the world-wide web or elsewhere of
AIS data transmitted by ships could be detrimental to the safety and
security of ships and port facilities and was undermining the efforts
of the Organization and its Member States to enhance the safety of
navigation and security in the international maritime transport sector.


The Committee condemned the regrettable publication on the world-wide
web, or elsewhere, of AIS data transmitted by ships and urged Member
Governments, subject to the provisions of their national laws, to
discourage those who make available AIS data to others for publication
on the world-wide web, or elsewhere from doing so.

In addition, the Committee condemned those who irresponsibly publish
AIS data transmitted by ships on the world-wide web, or elsewhere,
particularly if they offer services to the shipping and port
industries.

"Pascal" wrote in message
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This is posted on the IMO page: what are the concerns ans implications?
I have seen many people broadcasting the ships positions on the webb.

Maritime security - AIS ship data

At its79th session in December 2004, the Maritime Safety Committee
(MSC) agreed that, in relation to the issue of freely available
automatic information system (AIS)-generated ship data on the
world-wide web, the publication on the world-wide web or elsewhere of
AIS data transmitted by ships could be detrimental to the safety and
security of ships and port facilities and was undermining the efforts
of the Organization and its Member States to enhance the safety of
navigation and security in the international maritime transport sector.

According to Dutch law and the law in many other countries, one is either:
a) free to receive anything, but one may not use, retransmit or publish
received messages to a third party. So according to that law, it would be
illegal IMO to publish AIS data on the web.

or

b) one is not allowed to receive anything else than broadcaast radio, unless
one has a licence for a specific radio service (Germany comes to mind, where
the posession of scanners is illegal).

Meindert

The Committee condemned the regrettable publication on the world-wide
web, or elsewhere, of AIS data transmitted by ships and urged Member
Governments, subject to the provisions of their national laws, to
discourage those who make available AIS data to others for publication
on the world-wide web, or elsewhere from doing so.

Ah right, so beyond just the notion of being "shocked, shocked!" to imagine
the BROADCASTED data being published, they're asking their member
governments to punish it's citizenry for making use of it. Data that's
being broadcast on airwaves that belong to the people. Yeesh, talk about
myopic.

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in
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b) one is not allowed to receive anything else than broadcaast radio,
unless one has a licence for a specific radio service (Germany comes
to mind, where the posession of scanners is illegal).

Meindert



Wasn't long ago that it was a death sentence in Germany to listen to anyone
but the Nazi propaganda machine. How soon they forget....

I know someone who has one of Mr Goebbels radios from the war. Quite
channelized, it is...

Well, I was thinking that they are afraid of the use of AIS data from
the pirates; note that any Internet user could get the info about the
ship. But the pirates could have an cheap AIS receiver in his boat, so
it would have the same info, but only locally (say, within 30 nm).
Unless the bandidos are spraid over the world and the Big Boss want
coordinate the assaults centraly....

Regarding the legality of boadcasting this info, I do not know how it
could be prohibited or controled by the any govern.

Pascal

Indeed, the AIS info could be a big aid in the water poluting from the
ships, since the ships track can be retraced any time after ..

On 23 Mar 2006 13:31:15 -0800, "Pascal" wrote:


This is posted on the IMO page: what are the concerns ans implications?
I have seen many people broadcasting the ships positions on the webb.

The Committee condemned the regrettable publication on the world-wide
web, or elsewhere, of AIS data transmitted by ships and urged Member
Governments, subject to the provisions of their national laws, to
discourage those who make available AIS data to others for publication
on the world-wide web, or elsewhere from doing so.

This was scare-mongering to try to stop the free dissemination of data from
places like AIS Live, etc.

AIS Live went subscription model instead, and is still happily sending data
to subscribers via the web - I guess terrorists don't own credit cards
either? :-)

However, it's all come to light a few days ago:

http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/5061
"A new strategy published by the Department for Transport today details the
areas where AIS technology could bring significant benefits beyond its
primary function of monitoring ship movements, and how the data it provides
could open some commercial revenue opportunities to offset its own running
costs."

with the important bit being "commercial revenue opportunities" - seems the
IMO member states are going to start selling the data now they've scared away
the private individuals from doing the same thing?

Dave

Dave Baker wrote:
On 23 Mar 2006 13:31:15 -0800, "Pascal" wrote:


This is posted on the IMO page: what are the concerns ans
implications? I have seen many people broadcasting the ships
positions on the webb.

The Committee condemned the regrettable publication on the world-wide
web, or elsewhere, of AIS data transmitted by ships and urged Member
Governments, subject to the provisions of their national laws, to
discourage those who make available AIS data to others for
publication on the world-wide web, or elsewhere from doing so.

This was scare-mongering to try to stop the free dissemination of
data from places like AIS Live, etc.

AIS Live went subscription model instead, and is still happily
sending data to subscribers via the web - I guess terrorists don't
own credit cards either? :-)

However, it's all come to light a few days ago:

http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/5061
"A new strategy published by the Department for Transport today
details the areas where AIS technology could bring significant
benefits beyond its primary function of monitoring ship movements,
and how the data it provides could open some commercial revenue
opportunities to offset its own running costs."

with the important bit being "commercial revenue opportunities" -
seems the IMO member states are going to start selling the data now
they've scared away the private individuals from doing the same thing?

Dave

Can you zig-zag a 300,00-ton tanker? It shouldn't be too difficult, and as
for pirates, why don't we just shoot the *******s, an RPG can sink a largish
ship very quickly, and it's such fun to watch these assholes struggling in
the water. Don't forget to take your binoculars along with the launcher.

Another option is for those who are anti-violence just to forget AIS, and
leave us all in peace.

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:50:03 GMT, "Dennis Pogson"
wrote:

Can you zig-zag a 300,00-ton tanker? It shouldn't be too difficult, and as
for pirates, why don't we just shoot the *******s, an RPG can sink a largish
ship very quickly, and it's such fun to watch these assholes struggling in
the water. Don't forget to take your binoculars along with the launcher.

Another option is for those who are anti-violence just to forget AIS, and
leave us all in peace.

I'd say AIS is more on-topic than the above...

Dave

There is a similar system for aircraft and many free programmes on the web
to receive it.

Alec


"Dave Baker" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:50:03 GMT, "Dennis Pogson"
wrote:

Can you zig-zag a 300,00-ton tanker? It shouldn't be too difficult, and as
for pirates, why don't we just shoot the *******s, an RPG can sink a
largish
ship very quickly, and it's such fun to watch these assholes struggling in
the water. Don't forget to take your binoculars along with the launcher.

Another option is for those who are anti-violence just to forget AIS, and
leave us all in peace.

I'd say AIS is more on-topic than the above...

Dave