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To stop the wind generator, you will need to short circuit its output
terminals, which serves to load the generator and prevent it from spinning. There are IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS: If the wind generator is short circuited while connected to the battery bank then the battery bank will be short circuited with cathastrophic consequences. Accordingly a mechanical interlock between the windgenerator isolation switch and the wind generator short circuiting switch is essential.. Search the West marine catalog for battery isolation switches, which use detachable keys, which are locked in position while live and are removeable while dead. Buy two isolators and throw away one of the keys so that only one switch can be active. One switch will connect the wind gen to the batteries, while the other will be connected accross the wind gen output terminals and the single key will safely do the switching On Jan 27, 2:30 pm, Joe canada wrote: |
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A bicycle disk brake mechanism would work.
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Depends on what wind generator you have but Ampair has installation
manuals on their web site and the 300 manual shows how to wire in a tree way stop switch. But again the generator needs to support it. You might contact the manufacturer for the exact installation. On Jan 27, 8:30 am, Joe canada wrote: |
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nollaigoc wrote:
One switch will connect the wind gen to the batteries, while the other will be connected accross the wind gen output terminals and the single key will safely do the switching Depending on the type of wind generator, you likely don't want to do this. When you open the circuit to the batteries, you've just disconnected the load from an inductive circuit with current flowing in it (assuming the wind generator is spinning, which is why you want to stop it in the first place). If the wg is a generator-type (has brushes and a commutator) you'll get a voltage spike, maybe a burned switch or other damage. If its an alternator-type, you run the risk of blowing the recifying diodes as well. Same issue as disconnecting the batteries from the alternator on your engine when the engine's running. I don't have any practical experience with this, just some theory. A generator-type wg must have some way of isolating the batteries when the wind's not blowing so there must be a diode or some sort of regulator in there already. In the alternator-type, the rectifiers which convert the AC to DC also serve to isolate the batteries, so there's not likely to be anything else. Assuming you get by the battery isolation problem, shorting the wind generator may damage it, depending on the construction of the windings and in the case of the alternator-type the current rating of the diodes, along with how fast it's turning when you hit the switch. You're basicly using the resistance of the windings as the full load on the wind generator when you do this. Some may be designed to take this for the time it takes to shut down, I don't know the specifics. I'm going to be playing around with this a couple of weeks from now, in connection with building a shunt regulator for the wg, which is the same sort of problem as the stop switch. I'm thinking a Schottky (sp?) barrier diode (lower voltage drop) to isolate the batteries, and some sort of progressive load increasing to short for shutdown to stay within the max current ratings of my alternator-type wind generator. |
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Roger Mexico wrote in
: nollaigoc wrote: One switch will connect the wind gen to the batteries, while the other will be connected accross the wind gen output terminals and the single key will safely do the switching Depending on the type of wind generator, you likely don't want to do this. When you open the circuit to the batteries, you've just disconnected the load from an inductive circuit with current flowing in it (assuming the wind generator is spinning, which is why you want to stop it in the first place). If the wg is a generator-type (has brushes and a commutator) you'll get a voltage spike, maybe a burned switch or other damage. If its an alternator-type, you run the risk of blowing the recifying diodes as well. Same issue as disconnecting the batteries from the alternator on your engine when the engine's running. I don't have any practical experience with this, just some theory. A generator-type wg must have some way of isolating the batteries when the wind's not blowing so there must be a diode or some sort of regulator in there already. In the alternator-type, the rectifiers which convert the AC to DC also serve to isolate the batteries, so there's not likely to be anything else. Assuming you get by the battery isolation problem, shorting the wind generator may damage it, depending on the construction of the windings and in the case of the alternator-type the current rating of the diodes, along with how fast it's turning when you hit the switch. You're basicly using the resistance of the windings as the full load on the wind generator when you do this. Some may be designed to take this for the time it takes to shut down, I don't know the specifics. I'm going to be playing around with this a couple of weeks from now, in connection with building a shunt regulator for the wg, which is the same sort of problem as the stop switch. I'm thinking a Schottky (sp?) barrier diode (lower voltage drop) to isolate the batteries, and some sort of progressive load increasing to short for shutdown to stay within the max current ratings of my alternator-type wind generator. FYI: The KISS generator has a single switch which either connects the output of the generator to the rectifier or shorts the wind generator. -- Geoff |
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![]() "joseph" wrote in message oups.com... Depends on what wind generator you have but Ampair has installation manuals on their web site and the 300 manual shows how to wire in a tree way stop switch. But again the generator needs to support it. You might contact the manufacturer for the exact installation. I dont have any experience with tree way switches despite having worked in forrestry for a while ;-), but for a really cool stop switch, get down to your local electronics stores and find one of those aircraft style missile launch switches with the protective red cover. they cost about $5 for a really nice one. Epoxy it somewhere prominent and make up a very professional looking label with a labeling machine if you have one saying 'stop'. this is a great switch. wiring it up to work is entirely another matter which is completely beyond me! I dont have a wind generator on my boat yet, but i work as a boilermaker so the idea of basic engineering is not beyond me. depending on how big your generator is, Id try to approach it more from a mechanical viewpoint than an electrical one. how hard is the blade to take off? is there some possibility of making it easier to remove? If i was going into a big blow, id want it off! The idea of the disc brake is a pretty good one.... a disc brake combined with a locking pin and then removing the blade seems like the safest idea. If you leave that blade up there but locked in place you'll soon find the weakest link in the chain, and im sure it wont be pleasant ;-) that energy has to go somewhere! Shaun |
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Geoff Schultz wrote:
FYI: The KISS generator has a single switch which either connects the output of the generator to the rectifier or shorts the wind generator. -- Geoff Thanks for the pointer. It looks like what the KISS stop switch does is short the alternator windings ahead of the rectifiers, the same sort of thing the stop switch on the Ampair 300 in the other thread is doing. My main concern is for opening up the circuit downstream of the rectifiers on an alternator-type wind generator. My old Ampair 100 doesn't have access to the circuit ahead of the rectifiers (rectifiers up with the alternator, then 2 sliprings to transfer the DC down the mast) so I'm faced with the problem. |
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