Larry wrote:
RR wrote in news:if83u2pqkatiscnadg73via2tsgr6gk0ss@
4ax.com:

Does anyone got any experience as to which
will be the best wi-fi booster antenna to a lap-top
on board a boat?


http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satel...ldpagename=US%
2FLayout&cid=1160093298732&pagename=Linksys%2FComm on%2FVisitorWrapper

I think Sprint and Linksys have solved the mobile wifi problem for mobile
boaters. Take a look. Linksys has built a cellphone EVDO interface to
plug the Sprint aircard into a wireless wifi router. You get high speed
internet service from Sprint any place Sprint has cellular service across
the country. It won't work in Europe, unless you plug in a European
aircard from one of their carriers.

I picture this aircard/wireless router combo running off a small 115VAC
cable in a sealed-up NEMA enclosure just under the top of the mast on a
cruising sailboat. PCS range from that high up would probably give you
internet service 20 miles offshore via Sprint. Coverage is at:
http://powervision.sprint.com/mobile.../coverage.html
The coverage does not include Charleston, but a Sprint card DOES work in
Charleston and many other places on their 1X slower system, so this
coverage is just the 1Mbps EVDO coverage.

Of course, this costs money.....(c;

On the free, I'm using with great success the WRE54G "Range Expander"
from:
http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satel...ldpagename=US%
2FLayout&cid=1130267578138&pagename=Linksys%2FComm on%2FVisitorWrapper
This box is $70 at J&R:
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.proc...uct_Id=3988258
&JRSource=linkshare.datafeed.LKS+WRE54G
a $30 savings from Circuit City's price.

The WRE54G is a "repeater". It connects to what it either automatically
finds (autoconfigure) or what you tell it to connect through over its
ethernet cable (manual configuration). It stores these favorite links
and reconnects to them automatically, like any wifi computer, when it
hears them in range. Once configured, connection is fast and automatic.
Being a repeater, not a router, it simply assumes the SSID of the system
it is repeating. You simply notice your barely useable connection at 20%
has jumped to 90% on your wifi notebook (or here on my Netgear SPH101
Skype phone...(c. I'm carrying one in my car and running it off a tiny
inverter plugged into the cigarette lighter socket. When I get to lunch
and want to play on wifi, I plug in the repeater and just sit it on top
of the car outside the restaurant. It connects automatically to an open
link at the gas station next door to Denny's and I have full wifi service
inside Denny's until I leave.

There IS a disadvantage to this....half speed, which isn't much of an
issue going through a cable or dsl modem that's so slow, anyways. The
repeater receives from A THEN transmits to you, then receives from you
THEN transmits back to A, doubling the packet times as it cannot transmit
and receive simultaneously on the same wifi channel.

If you don't HAVE to have a wireless notebook on the boat, and you don't,
a better solution might be to run Ethernet cable up to the masthead and
install one of the quite powerful wifi access points in a weathershield
at the masthead. You plug the laptop into the remote AP and turn off its
local wifi radio inside it.

They keep getting more powerful. Here's one that runs two TWO WATT wifi
radios!
http://www.valuepointnet.com/product...edap/580g.html
In comparison, your laptop's wifi radio runs about .02 to .05 watts. Of
course, this power boost won't mean much if the marina is running a 20mw
piece of crap on top of a file cabinet for "free internet" service
because you won't be able to hear them very far. But, if the marina has
a professionally-installed wide area wifi system, this AP could
signicantly improve range way beyond the marina's borders.

I'm afraid to ask for a price quote...(c; This is NOT home consumer
equipment. It only costs a little more to go first class, however.
Compare golf cart house batteries to those $500 Surette AGMs....same
idea..(c;

Larry
I believe that POE "power over Ethernet" is required to power a high
power WiFi modem via a cat5 cable at the mast head, perhaps a USB
connected device would be better (AirLink).(). Just placing such a $170
PepLink Surf or Buffalo cat5 modem on top of the cabin with a simple
corner reflector would be good enough.
Dick

Does anyone got any experience as to which
will be the best wi-fi booster antenna to a lap-top
on board a boat?

RR wrote in news:if83u2pqkatiscnadg73via2tsgr6gk0ss@
4ax.com:

Does anyone got any experience as to which
will be the best wi-fi booster antenna to a lap-top
on board a boat?


http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satel...ldpagename=US%
2FLayout&cid=1160093298732&pagename=Linksys%2FComm on%2FVisitorWrapper

I think Sprint and Linksys have solved the mobile wifi problem for mobile
boaters. Take a look. Linksys has built a cellphone EVDO interface to
plug the Sprint aircard into a wireless wifi router. You get high speed
internet service from Sprint any place Sprint has cellular service across
the country. It won't work in Europe, unless you plug in a European
aircard from one of their carriers.

I picture this aircard/wireless router combo running off a small 115VAC
cable in a sealed-up NEMA enclosure just under the top of the mast on a
cruising sailboat. PCS range from that high up would probably give you
internet service 20 miles offshore via Sprint. Coverage is at:
http://powervision.sprint.com/mobile.../coverage.html
The coverage does not include Charleston, but a Sprint card DOES work in
Charleston and many other places on their 1X slower system, so this
coverage is just the 1Mbps EVDO coverage.

Of course, this costs money.....(c;

On the free, I'm using with great success the WRE54G "Range Expander"
from:
http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satel...ldpagename=US%
2FLayout&cid=1130267578138&pagename=Linksys%2FComm on%2FVisitorWrapper
This box is $70 at J&R:
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.proc...uct_Id=3988258
&JRSource=linkshare.datafeed.LKS+WRE54G
a $30 savings from Circuit City's price.

The WRE54G is a "repeater". It connects to what it either automatically
finds (autoconfigure) or what you tell it to connect through over its
ethernet cable (manual configuration). It stores these favorite links
and reconnects to them automatically, like any wifi computer, when it
hears them in range. Once configured, connection is fast and automatic.
Being a repeater, not a router, it simply assumes the SSID of the system
it is repeating. You simply notice your barely useable connection at 20%
has jumped to 90% on your wifi notebook (or here on my Netgear SPH101
Skype phone...(c. I'm carrying one in my car and running it off a tiny
inverter plugged into the cigarette lighter socket. When I get to lunch
and want to play on wifi, I plug in the repeater and just sit it on top
of the car outside the restaurant. It connects automatically to an open
link at the gas station next door to Denny's and I have full wifi service
inside Denny's until I leave.

There IS a disadvantage to this....half speed, which isn't much of an
issue going through a cable or dsl modem that's so slow, anyways. The
repeater receives from A THEN transmits to you, then receives from you
THEN transmits back to A, doubling the packet times as it cannot transmit
and receive simultaneously on the same wifi channel.

If you don't HAVE to have a wireless notebook on the boat, and you don't,
a better solution might be to run Ethernet cable up to the masthead and
install one of the quite powerful wifi access points in a weathershield
at the masthead. You plug the laptop into the remote AP and turn off its
local wifi radio inside it.

They keep getting more powerful. Here's one that runs two TWO WATT wifi
radios!
http://www.valuepointnet.com/product...edap/580g.html
In comparison, your laptop's wifi radio runs about .02 to .05 watts. Of
course, this power boost won't mean much if the marina is running a 20mw
piece of crap on top of a file cabinet for "free internet" service
because you won't be able to hear them very far. But, if the marina has
a professionally-installed wide area wifi system, this AP could
signicantly improve range way beyond the marina's borders.

I'm afraid to ask for a price quote...(c; This is NOT home consumer
equipment. It only costs a little more to go first class, however.
Compare golf cart house batteries to those $500 Surette AGMs....same
idea..(c;

Larry
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On Feb 25, 6:50 am, RR wrote:
Does anyone got any experience as to which
will be the best wi-fi booster antenna to a lap-top
on board a boat?

Are you planning on using it while in the marina or do you want to
have access while at sea? Do you have authorized use of an Access
Point (AP) or are you planning on "war-sailing"? In the marina a
simple YAGI or parabolic reflector (improvement on your 1/4 wave whip
with corner reflector) would suffice. See http://www.air802.com/home.php?cat=371
for some simple antennas or http://www.wifi-link.com/ for some more
developed antennas to get dB gains over your laptop unit (these assume
you have a coax antenna connection). You can always manufacture one if
you want to experiment at low cost. Check out http://martybugs.net/wireless/biquad/
for one type of home brew, there're also ones using potato chip cans
and old TV parabolic dishes (don't laugh, they work).
Mounting the antenna on the mast won't gain you much as the AP
signal stregnth usually isn't enough for horizon path concerns and
you'll have other issues with cable legnth and clutter. You do need a
fairly clear line of sight to the AP though.
If you're planning on being at sea and accessing the internet then
the Sprint-Linksys cell system will have to suffice although you may
find cell towers don't generally radiate much on the seaward side and
you won't find any in non-populated places.
If you want to go "war-sailing", i.e. pirating AP points, you'll
need a more powerful WIFI card that'll give you better signal stregnth
receiving and transmitting along with that better antenna. Check out
"wardriving" or look at http://madwifi.org/ or
http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=613 for some insight
to this.
A good laptop PCMIA card is the Ubiquiti SRC 300mW a/b/g which has
LOTS of transmitter power else look at http://www.diswire.com/WRC5.pdf
for a 12v standalone unit that'll give you 10BaseT connectivity. (It
also works the latest 5 GHz band.)
If you want to skip all the WIFI problems just get a gyro-stabilized
satellite internet system. {;

Thanks - I stay on rivers and canals - thus the idea
is to get better signal in marinas and around cities
"war-boating" is the correct term.
I bought a Hawking corner and will add an adapter.
We'll check it out as soon as she goes back to water




On 27 Feb 2007 10:23:48 -0800, "DaveC"
wrote:

On Feb 25, 6:50 am, RR wrote:
Does anyone got any experience as to which
will be the best wi-fi booster antenna to a lap-top
on board a boat?

Are you planning on using it while in the marina or do you want to
have access while at sea? Do you have authorized use of an Access
Point (AP) or are you planning on "war-sailing"? In the marina a
simple YAGI or parabolic reflector (improvement on your 1/4 wave whip
with corner reflector) would suffice. See http://www.air802.com/home.php?cat=371
for some simple antennas or http://www.wifi-link.com/ for some more
developed antennas to get dB gains over your laptop unit (these assume
you have a coax antenna connection). You can always manufacture one if
you want to experiment at low cost. Check out http://martybugs.net/wireless/biquad/
for one type of home brew, there're also ones using potato chip cans
and old TV parabolic dishes (don't laugh, they work).
Mounting the antenna on the mast won't gain you much as the AP
signal stregnth usually isn't enough for horizon path concerns and
you'll have other issues with cable legnth and clutter. You do need a
fairly clear line of sight to the AP though.
If you're planning on being at sea and accessing the internet then
the Sprint-Linksys cell system will have to suffice although you may
find cell towers don't generally radiate much on the seaward side and
you won't find any in non-populated places.
If you want to go "war-sailing", i.e. pirating AP points, you'll
need a more powerful WIFI card that'll give you better signal stregnth
receiving and transmitting along with that better antenna. Check out
"wardriving" or look at http://madwifi.org/ or
http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=613 for some insight
to this.
A good laptop PCMIA card is the Ubiquiti SRC 300mW a/b/g which has
LOTS of transmitter power else look at http://www.diswire.com/WRC5.pdf
for a 12v standalone unit that'll give you 10BaseT connectivity. (It
also works the latest 5 GHz band.)
If you want to skip all the WIFI problems just get a gyro-stabilized
satellite internet system. {;

You might be better off looking into a broadband card. You could get
better overall coverage than trying to access distant WiFi

"RR" wrote:
Does anyone got any experience as to which
will be the best wi-fi booster antenna to a lap-top
on board a boat?

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