On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:53:48 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:28:38 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

So, nobody can think of any real reasons not to target shoot at sea?
It seems to me that this would be safer than on land as I can be
certain there is nobody within bullet range whereas on land you never
know if that is true. (OK, perhaps there are Ninja scuba divers out
there).

As long as you've got a clear horizon in all directions I can't see
why not. I think the biggest risk is someone filing a gunfire report
with the gendarmes

I guess the question I have is why you would call France to report a
firearms discharge.

or an accidental discharge in an unfortunate direction.

One of our hay fields is a natural berm at a pretty good angle and we
use that all the time for target practice.

I don't think I've ever seen a ricochet from shooting although it's
possible.

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:35:50 GMT, "CRM" wrote:

50 cal + steel plate = headache

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc

I was looking for that when this thread came up.

Thanks.

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On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:00:36 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Why would
you want to discharge firearms on the water? What are you shooting at,
the horizon?

I will agree trying to shoot a rifle at something a couple hundred
yards away from a bouncing boat might just be shooting at the horizon
but I could see shooting a shotgun at thrown targets. They do it on
cruise ships all the time. You might even want to test fire a handgun
or do some 7 yard drills. One problem a lot of people have is finding
a safe place to shoot these days. If you were a couple miles offshore
with no boats in sight that is pretty safe.


O'Hara seems to break everything he touches...he'll end up shooting
himself or a guest.

No sweat off my brow.

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:25:49 -0500, wrote:

The
people in the IBM Systems Center in Gaithersburg went through dozens
every week and they saved them for me.

I was there a couple of times back in the late 80s for system
performance evaluations.

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:45:39 -0800, "Calif Bill"
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:00:03 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Nov 16, 12:40 pm, Boater wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
In my thread about target shooting on the water, someone mentioned
bullets bouncing back and had a vid of this happening when a .5 cal
bounced from a steel plate.

First, some easy to remember physics: Light things do not transfer
energy to heavy things well, that is why the bullet bounced back
from
the steel plate. Heavy things do transfer energy to light things
well
which is why sand absorbs energy from a bullet so well.

Although a bullet will bounce at a shallow angle from water or sand,
I
doubt it is possible for a 180 degree bounce to happen. OK, it is
"possible" but it is probably more likely you will get hit by a
meteorite twice.

Have one of your relatives call us from the ER when you manage to
shoot
yourself. Here's a hint: make sure the hole in the barrel is pointed
away from you. I mention that because you seem to have extraordinary
problems with ordinary objects.

OK. here is how you could get a 180 degree bounce from water. You
need a very large breaking wave and I do mean large as the angle for
reflection is less than 20 degrees meaning you need 9 reflections from
the braking part to get your 180 degrees

Much easier to take your copper jacketed. 22 out on the ice and
shoot.

Neat thing happens - you shoot the ice at a slight angle and the
bullet enters the ice and travels a bit until the steam builds up
enough - the bullet will come screaming back out of the hole and at
pretty decent velocity. :)

I know for a fact a .38 can come back 180 degrees. Not a lot of energy,
and
bullet was very deformed, only bruised my leg. One year during our annual
USAF qualifying, I got said bullet in the leg. Must have hit the metal
supports exactly correct. Yes Tom, they did let us handle small arms once
a
year.

Once a year? Sounds like never would have been a better idea.

BBBAAAWWWAAHHHHHAAAAA!!!!!

Pansies. :)

Maybe, but we are like the telephone company. Reach our and touch from a
long distance. I assume you liked my brethren in SAC. Maybe better than us
in a MAW. You Marines are just jealous, as we made bigger bangs.

Pansies. :)

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:36:49 -0500, Keith nuttle
wrote:

I think it is physically impossible for a bullet to make a 180 when it
hits the surface of the water.

You are right. A half sperical bowl might do the job.

Casady

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:00:03 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

OK. here is how you could get a 180 degree bounce from water. You
need a very large breaking wave and I do mean large as the angle for
reflection is less than 20 degrees meaning you need 9 reflections from
the braking part to get your 180 degrees

No way can you get nine reflections.

Casady

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:41:31 GMT, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:



Neat thing happens - you shoot the ice at a slight angle and the
bullet enters the ice and travels a bit until the steam builds up
enough - the bullet will come screaming back out of the hole and at
pretty decent velocity. :)

I simply do not believe it. Ice is brittle. You might make a shallow
but wide trough. otherwise you get a shallow crater.


Casady

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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:26:54 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:41:31 GMT, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:


Neat thing happens - you shoot the ice at a slight angle and the
bullet enters the ice and travels a bit until the steam builds up
enough - the bullet will come screaming back out of the hole and at
pretty decent velocity. :)
I simply do not believe it. Ice is brittle. You might make a shallow
but wide trough. otherwise you get a shallow crater.


Casady

I wondered about that too. I used to break up gallon jugs of ice with
a .22 for a cooler and I never saw any evidence of any melting around
the impact site. It was dry snow looking stuff with a little powder
burning. I just picked out the big chunks and threw all the other
stuff away.

I believe that it is physics. As the energy is dissipated by the bullet,
energy converts Ice to water. You see a similar phenomenon when a
meteorite hits the earth, the rocks melt, and re solidify. part of the
signature of an impact crater

However I can not believe there would be enough energy to convert
sufficient amount of ice to steam that would blow the bullet back at you.