"Jim" wrote in message
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Boater wrote:
Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 17, 5:21 pm, Boater wrote:

Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate
waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure.
I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be
subject to being banged up.

Not nearly as "practical" as the newer materials. Plastic type canoes
are lighter, therefore easier to load, unload, easier to maneuver,
easier to maintain, easier to store, easier to buy. When and where
would a strip or canvas canoe be "practical" compared to canoes made
with newer materials?
The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with
assholes
who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic
subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults.

See above. If you are so nostalgic, why do you have a Parker when you
could have an old wooden boat? Maybe even go back further to a dugout
canoe, they are the REAL ones.

We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice
Connecticut
lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up
the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well
before
the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of
course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy.-

And of course, now the lies start.

Maybe not. I think he's talking about the days when he was knee high to
a grass hopper. His long term memory is kicking in big time now. Short
term ain't so good. Ask him what he had for breakfast this morning,
besides pustules?


It seems sort of fitting that you play footsie with Loogy, the dumbest
d.f. in here.

Oh. I had oatmeal with fresh blueberries. Then I went to a meeting
downtown. Now, I'm back home. This should help your stalking a bit, eh?


Footsie? Do I detect a bit of jealousy? I see a little JimH rubbing off on
you.
Fresh blueberries?

Probably from Venezuela.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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My 12 yr old daughter has decided she wants a "sit on" type kayak
instead of a "sit in" one so I will prob buy her a plastic one instead
of building one. Like I need more boats.


Take a look at these:

http://www.hobiecat.com/kayaking/models_sport.html

I had one very similar with the pedal power setup. Only 9' and has
removable wheels to transport it around. It was a blast and easy to
paddle or pedal. Even has a sail kit option.

Eisboch


Have a friend who has the Hobie Sport. I can use it, but uncomfortable
after a time. Just not enough room for me. Can not stretch out the legs.

wrote in message
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On Nov 17, 5:21 pm, Boater wrote:

Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate
waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure.
I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be
subject to being banged up.

Not nearly as "practical" as the newer materials. Plastic type canoes
are lighter, therefore easier to load, unload, easier to maneuver,
easier to maintain, easier to store, easier to buy. When and where
would a strip or canvas canoe be "practical" compared to canoes made
with newer materials?

The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes
who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic
subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults.

See above. If you are so nostalgic, why do you have a Parker when you
could have an old wooden boat? Maybe even go back further to a dugout
canoe, they are the REAL ones.



We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut
lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up
the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before
the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of
course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy.-

And of course, now the lies start.


Depends on the canoe. My fiberglass one is heavy. Is 17' and supposedly
weighs 79#. They lied. One of the lightest canoes ever was a cedar strip
backpack canoe. About 9#. Was made in the early 1900's and we would have a
hard time duplicating it now.

Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
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On Nov 17, 5:21 pm, Boater wrote:

Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate
waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure.
I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be
subject to being banged up.

Not nearly as "practical" as the newer materials. Plastic type canoes
are lighter, therefore easier to load, unload, easier to maneuver,
easier to maintain, easier to store, easier to buy. When and where
would a strip or canvas canoe be "practical" compared to canoes made
with newer materials?
The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes
who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic
subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults.

See above. If you are so nostalgic, why do you have a Parker when you
could have an old wooden boat? Maybe even go back further to a dugout
canoe, they are the REAL ones.

We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut
lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up
the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before
the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of
course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy.-

And of course, now the lies start.


Depends on the canoe. My fiberglass one is heavy. Is 17' and supposedly
weighs 79#. They lied. One of the lightest canoes ever was a cedar strip
backpack canoe. About 9#. Was made in the early 1900's and we would have a
hard time duplicating it now.




Loogy is mentally challenged. There's no point in engaging him.

"Boater" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
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On Nov 17, 5:21 pm, Boater wrote:

Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate
waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure.
I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be
subject to being banged up.

Not nearly as "practical" as the newer materials. Plastic type canoes
are lighter, therefore easier to load, unload, easier to maneuver,
easier to maintain, easier to store, easier to buy. When and where
would a strip or canvas canoe be "practical" compared to canoes made
with newer materials?
The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes
who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic
subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults.

See above. If you are so nostalgic, why do you have a Parker when you
could have an old wooden boat? Maybe even go back further to a dugout
canoe, they are the REAL ones.

We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut
lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up
the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before
the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of
course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy.-

And of course, now the lies start.


Depends on the canoe. My fiberglass one is heavy. Is 17' and supposedly
weighs 79#. They lied. One of the lightest canoes ever was a cedar
strip backpack canoe. About 9#. Was made in the early 1900's and we
would have a hard time duplicating it now.


Loogy is mentally challenged. There's no point in engaging him.

You are not one to bring up mental challenges.

On Nov 17, 11:27*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Nov 17, 11:19 pm, wrote:





On Nov 17, 11:14 pm, Frogwatch wrote:

On Nov 17, 10:53 pm, wrote:

On Nov 17, 7:28 pm, Jim wrote:

Boater wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
I agree with HK that strip canoes are very pretty. *I disagree over
practicality. *OTOH, I have seen several boats that in the end were
not really meant to ever be used, *One was a variation on the
Stevenson projects "Weekender" that was astonishing to look at with
varnish so clear and deep it looked like a hologram. *Every detail was
done right with cabinetry of such high quality that it was exquisite.
She was on display as an example of the boatmakers art and had never
seen water and probably wouldn'. *Many strip canoes are like that,
once built, they are too perfect to be used. *Would you really want to
be on a canoe trip with one, the obsession over not scratching it
would make you nutso.
Around here, in summer, the river banks are lined with hornet nests
every 3' and you get into one you have a choice of paddling like hell
and running yer boat over logs or jumping out into the gator infested
water or running into the weeds where the snakes drop into the boat.
A strip canoe will not stay pristine for more than an hour.
I believe a well used boat is a happy boat that inspires memories.

Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate
waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure.
I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be
subject to being banged up.

The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes
who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic
subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults.

I don't mean you, not in this instance.

We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut
lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up
the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before
the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of
course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy.

Those stripper canoes are more of a furniture item than a practical
boat. One would look nice on Wayne's lawn but still would need
maintenance to keep it looking good.- Hide quoted text -

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A decent strip canoe can take a beating and can be used in pretty wild
conditions.. Just cause it's pretty doesn't mean it's wimpy...

My 12 yr old daughter has decided she wants a "sit on" type kayak
instead of a "sit in" one so I will prob buy her a plastic one instead
of building one. *Like I need more boats.- Hide quoted text -

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Be sure not to get sucked into the trap of a 10-12 footer. They just
won't perform and she will get bored and tired fast. Look for
something 14 feet or longer. The longer the better, but I suspect you
already know that.. Just makin' sure..

I really DONT know about kayak length because I cannot sit in a kayak
too easily (legs too long) so have not paid any attention to them.
Tell me about kayak length. *Why do they sell those really tiny 6'
ones? *Around here turning is critical in swampy areas with lots of
branches so too much length is bad I think (although it has never been
an issue for the 18' Grumman canoe). *I also worry about her being so
exposed to gators but I s'pose that is just me being an over
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Well, as far as being comfortable, that is a matter of preference. My
issue with short kayaks is that they are very innefficient. If you are
fooling around the dock and in a pond, throwing it off the side of a
boat to get cooled off, or paddle out 50 feet and float around, go
ahead and get a 12 footer or even shorter. But if you are planning any
"paddling" in a straight line say across a half mile river, around
the island and up currant for a while, in other words, if you are
actually going to go anyplace with the boat, you want a long boat so
your arms don't die a half mile into the trip. I have seen folks down
around Essex adults and kids get into these short kayaks like a
Pungo, they us them three times, get frustrated because they are so
slow they can't even beat the current in the river, and they get put
in the garage and that is where they stay.... and rot.

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:27:44 -0800, Frogwatch wrote:

I really DONT know about kayak length because I cannot sit in a kayak
too easily (legs too long) so have not paid any attention to them. Tell
me about kayak length. Why do they sell those really tiny 6' ones?
Around here turning is critical in swampy areas with lots of branches so
too much length is bad I think (although it has never been an issue for
the 18' Grumman canoe). I also worry about her being so exposed to
gators but I s'pose that is just me being an over protective dad.

Those "tiny 6' ones" are for whitewater, they are agile, but not very
good if you have to paddle for distance.