http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/bu...e.html?_r=1&hp

Key quote:

"Some Congressional support has also dwindled because the automakers
closed plants in other states, like Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and
Delaware, and consolidated their operations closer to home.

Meanwhile, foreign auto companies have built plants across the
South..."

"It all feels excessive to some in Detroit. “I didn’t know that some
really, really hate us,” said Ms. Tompor of The Free Press."

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/bu...e.html?_r=1&hp

Key quote:

"Some Congressional support has also dwindled because the automakers
closed plants in other states, like Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and
Delaware, and consolidated their operations closer to home.

Meanwhile, foreign auto companies have built plants across the
South..."

"It all feels excessive to some in Detroit. "I didn't know that some
really, really hate us," said Ms. Tompor of The Free Press."

I don't think we hate them. Just don't want them in our pockets and feel
insulted that they would even try. Makes them look like cheap thugs and
idiots. Especially since they haven't done anything in 30 years to avoid
this.

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:26:31 -0700, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/bu...e.html?_r=1&hp

Key quote:

"Some Congressional support has also dwindled because the automakers
closed plants in other states, like Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and
Delaware, and consolidated their operations closer to home.

Meanwhile, foreign auto companies have built plants across the
South..."

"It all feels excessive to some in Detroit. "I didn't know that some
really, really hate us," said Ms. Tompor of The Free Press."

I don't think we hate them. Just don't want them in our pockets and feel
insulted that they would even try. Makes them look like cheap thugs and
idiots. Especially since they haven't done anything in 30 years to avoid
this.

I don't hate them either - for cripes sake, I just bought a new
Lincoln MKZ for Mrs. Wave and I'm thinking of getting rid of my F-150
and going back to the F-250.

It's just tht they need to get their act together and giving them a
ton of money just ain't gonna cut it.

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:26:31 -0700, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/bu...e.html?_r=1&hp

Key quote:

"Some Congressional support has also dwindled because the automakers
closed plants in other states, like Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and
Delaware, and consolidated their operations closer to home.

Meanwhile, foreign auto companies have built plants across the
South..."

"It all feels excessive to some in Detroit. "I didn't know that some
really, really hate us," said Ms. Tompor of The Free Press."

I don't think we hate them. Just don't want them in our pockets and feel
insulted that they would even try. Makes them look like cheap thugs and
idiots. Especially since they haven't done anything in 30 years to avoid
this.

I don't hate them either - for cripes sake, I just bought a new
Lincoln MKZ for Mrs. Wave and I'm thinking of getting rid of my F-150
and going back to the F-250.

It's just tht they need to get their act together and giving them a
ton of money just ain't gonna cut it.

It's beyond me (which ain't too hard do) that Congress is even thinking of
throwing money at them. Maybe thinking is the operative word here, or
should I say *not* thinking.

In my mind Chapter 11 is the prudent way for them to prove themselves. I've
written my Congress folks on just where I stand. I hope other are doing the
same.

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...


In my mind Chapter 11 is the prudent way for them to prove themselves.
I've written my Congress folks on just where I stand. I hope other are
doing the same.


I just received an email from a local Buick/Pontiac/GMC dealership. Somehow
I ended up on their email list and they occasionally send me notices of
"special deals".

Anyway, the email was different. It was a a request from GM (via the
dealership) to contact my Congressional representatives and encourage them
to bail out the auto industry. It had form letters all written and all I
had to do was click.

I didn't.

Gotta think about this some more. But I *did* have an idea.
Why doesn't the US Federal Government file for Chapter 11 bankrupcy and
reorganize?
During the reorganization period, stop all interest payments on loans, stop
all foreign aid programs,
stop everything except National Defense. Have all the troops in Iraq head
back to the barracks and pack up.

Appoint a representative from each state .... sorta like a second Contiental
Congress .... and come up with a reorganization plan, based upon the
Constitution. Pay 10 cents on the dollar to all creditors, and start over.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...


In my mind Chapter 11 is the prudent way for them to prove themselves.
I've written my Congress folks on just where I stand. I hope other are
doing the same.


I just received an email from a local Buick/Pontiac/GMC dealership.
Somehow I ended up on their email list and they occasionally send me
notices of "special deals".

Anyway, the email was different. It was a a request from GM (via the
dealership) to contact my Congressional representatives and encourage them
to bail out the auto industry. It had form letters all written and all I
had to do was click.

I didn't.

Gotta think about this some more. But I *did* have an idea.
Why doesn't the US Federal Government file for Chapter 11 bankrupcy and
reorganize?
During the reorganization period, stop all interest payments on loans,
stop all foreign aid programs,
stop everything except National Defense. Have all the troops in Iraq
head back to the barracks and pack up.

Appoint a representative from each state .... sorta like a second
Contiental Congress .... and come up with a reorganization plan, based
upon the Constitution. Pay 10 cents on the dollar to all creditors, and
start over.

Eisboch

I've said this before.
You could go under United Nations leadership until your own gov't can prove
that it could run the country in a responsible manner.
The US is just too important to the worlds' economy to be led in such
careless manner.

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...


In my mind Chapter 11 is the prudent way for them to prove themselves.
I've written my Congress folks on just where I stand. I hope other are
doing the same.


I just received an email from a local Buick/Pontiac/GMC dealership.
Somehow I ended up on their email list and they occasionally send me
notices of "special deals".

Anyway, the email was different. It was a a request from GM (via the
dealership) to contact my Congressional representatives and encourage
them to bail out the auto industry. It had form letters all written and
all I had to do was click.

I didn't.

Gotta think about this some more. But I *did* have an idea.
Why doesn't the US Federal Government file for Chapter 11 bankrupcy and
reorganize?
During the reorganization period, stop all interest payments on loans,
stop all foreign aid programs,
stop everything except National Defense. Have all the troops in Iraq
head back to the barracks and pack up.

Appoint a representative from each state .... sorta like a second
Contiental Congress .... and come up with a reorganization plan, based
upon the Constitution. Pay 10 cents on the dollar to all creditors, and
start over.

Eisboch

I've said this before.
You could go under United Nations leadership until your own gov't can
prove that it could run the country in a responsible manner.
The US is just too important to the worlds' economy to be led in such
careless manner.


UN *leadership*, what an oxymoron.

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...


In my mind Chapter 11 is the prudent way for them to prove themselves.
I've written my Congress folks on just where I stand. I hope other are
doing the same.


I just received an email from a local Buick/Pontiac/GMC dealership.
Somehow I ended up on their email list and they occasionally send me
notices of "special deals".

Anyway, the email was different. It was a a request from GM (via the
dealership) to contact my Congressional representatives and encourage
them to bail out the auto industry. It had form letters all written
and all I had to do was click.

I didn't.

Gotta think about this some more. But I *did* have an idea.
Why doesn't the US Federal Government file for Chapter 11 bankrupcy and
reorganize?
During the reorganization period, stop all interest payments on loans,
stop all foreign aid programs,
stop everything except National Defense. Have all the troops in Iraq
head back to the barracks and pack up.

Appoint a representative from each state .... sorta like a second
Contiental Congress .... and come up with a reorganization plan, based
upon the Constitution. Pay 10 cents on the dollar to all creditors,
and start over.

Eisboch

I've said this before.
You could go under United Nations leadership until your own gov't can
prove that it could run the country in a responsible manner.
The US is just too important to the worlds' economy to be led in such
careless manner.


UN *leadership*, what an oxymoron.


Well they helped their economy with the food for oil program.

D.Duck wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

In my mind Chapter 11 is the prudent way for them to prove themselves.
I've written my Congress folks on just where I stand. I hope other are
doing the same.

I just received an email from a local Buick/Pontiac/GMC dealership.
Somehow I ended up on their email list and they occasionally send me
notices of "special deals".

Anyway, the email was different. It was a a request from GM (via the
dealership) to contact my Congressional representatives and encourage
them to bail out the auto industry. It had form letters all written and
all I had to do was click.

I didn't.

Gotta think about this some more. But I *did* have an idea.
Why doesn't the US Federal Government file for Chapter 11 bankrupcy and
reorganize?
During the reorganization period, stop all interest payments on loans,
stop all foreign aid programs,
stop everything except National Defense. Have all the troops in Iraq
head back to the barracks and pack up.

Appoint a representative from each state .... sorta like a second
Contiental Congress .... and come up with a reorganization plan, based
upon the Constitution. Pay 10 cents on the dollar to all creditors, and
start over.

Eisboch
I've said this before.
You could go under United Nations leadership until your own gov't can
prove that it could run the country in a responsible manner.
The US is just too important to the worlds' economy to be led in such
careless manner.


UN *leadership*, what an oxymoron.


Doesn't the U.S. own the UN?

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:09:57 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Pay 10 cents on the dollar to all creditors, and start over.

That will happen but it will be done via inflation and a depreciated
dollar.