Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:11:10 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to watch
unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice but
to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating skills
in other areas.

Eisboch

Your conclusions are based upon?

The Clintons have gone out of their way to make the appointment public and
appear to be all but certain..... without actually waiting for Obama's team
to formally make a decision or announcment.
Big Bill has already agreed to cooperate fully in the vetting process, and
Hillary's staff has routinely leaked that the process is well underway.

If he choses Richardson or someone else instead, the Hillary followers are
going to scream bloody murder. Dissed twice.

They have him boxed in pretty nicely.

That's not my take. Andrea Mitchell first broke the news - and she
said it came from Obama insiders.
Obama will do what he wants, and he wants her. Otherwise he would
have his "insiders" leak that it won't be her.
That wouldn't hurt him at all.
He will soon be "The President of the United States of America."
The "political" shows are getting a little tedious. They latch on to
something like this - especially if it involves the Clintons - and
just yak yak yak like gossips about it.
Only way to express their "power."
They're not news people, they're gossips.
Obama will pretty much do what he damn well pleases.
He's got the balls for it, and the mandate from the American people.
Elections matter.
Next chance to change that comes in 2 years.
If Hillary stays in the Senate, she could be a thorn in his paw.
He wants her in the cabinet. Working for him, at his command.
The Clintons are has-beens in the Presidential arena.
Unless Obama screws up.
Some of you guys are just as bad in judging Hillary Clinton as the
other side is about GWB. Everything is an effing Clinton conspiracy.
Hey, remember "48 Hours?"
There's a new sheriff in town.

--Vic


But Sarah Palin keeps on giving!

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:34:23 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to
watch unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice
but
to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and
supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating
skills
in other areas.

Eisboch

Your conclusions are based upon?


The Clintons have gone out of their way to make the appointment public
and appear to be all but certain..... without actually waiting for
Obama's team to formally make a decision or announcment.
Big Bill has already agreed to cooperate fully in the vetting process,
and Hillary's staff has routinely leaked that the process is well
underway.

If he choses Richardson or someone else instead, the Hillary followers
are going to scream bloody murder. Dissed twice.

They have him boxed in pretty nicely.

Eisboch


This is really funny. When you are vetted by the FBI for a high level
job,
all manner of people are contacted about you. There are dozens of people
who have been contacted about Hillary for this potential job. But
Hillary
or Bill leaked it. Right.

Do you seriously believe the vetting process for Secretary of State is the
same as an FBI background check for a security clearance? Come on Harry,
you know better than that.

Obama's cabinet selections and considerations should be highly kept
secrets
until ready to be announced, especially for jobs involving national
security. Obama should know that. The Clintons should know it even
better.

It's a power play, and what makes it sickening is that it puts individuals
(Hillary) before the best interests of the country.

Well, I say kill 'em all.

Oh wait - that was the pirate thread.

Sorry. My bad. :)

Maybe they arrrrrrrrrrr pirates.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:51:58 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:34:23 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to
watch unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice
but
to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and
supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating
skills
in other areas.

Eisboch

Your conclusions are based upon?


The Clintons have gone out of their way to make the appointment public
and appear to be all but certain..... without actually waiting for
Obama's team to formally make a decision or announcment.
Big Bill has already agreed to cooperate fully in the vetting process,
and Hillary's staff has routinely leaked that the process is well
underway.

If he choses Richardson or someone else instead, the Hillary followers
are going to scream bloody murder. Dissed twice.

They have him boxed in pretty nicely.

Eisboch


This is really funny. When you are vetted by the FBI for a high level
job,
all manner of people are contacted about you. There are dozens of people
who have been contacted about Hillary for this potential job. But
Hillary
or Bill leaked it. Right.

Do you seriously believe the vetting process for Secretary of State is the
same as an FBI background check for a security clearance? Come on Harry,
you know better than that.

Obama's cabinet selections and considerations should be highly kept
secrets
until ready to be announced, especially for jobs involving national
security. Obama should know that. The Clintons should know it even
better.

It's a power play, and what makes it sickening is that it puts individuals
(Hillary) before the best interests of the country.

Well, I say kill 'em all.

Oh wait - that was the pirate thread.

Sorry. My bad. :)

Maybe they arrrrrrrrrrr pirates.

Um....

Ok, that took me a minute - I'm a little slow today.

Arrrrrr...

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:03:51 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to
watch unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice but
to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating skills
in other areas.

He's off to a great start.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...tory?track=rss

~~ snerk ~~


I doubt he'll have eight years of failure in about every area of
importance, ala Bush.

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is probably a
one term POTUS.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...


More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is probably
a one term POTUS.



He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously awaiting
all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is probably
a one term POTUS.



He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously awaiting
all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch




My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.



He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously awaiting
all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch


My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.

Meanwhile, for many, we inhaled another breath of Congressional disgust
today.

Last week, Pelosi and Reid were hitting all the airwaves, advocating and
pushing for a bailout of the automotive industry, particularly GM. Both
recommended using part of the 700B bailout package to make secure the jobs
of the employees and to protect the benefits of those retired.

Today, both have demanded that GM, Ford and Chrysler present by Dec 2nd, a
business plan that shows how any form of government assistance will make any
difference, before they will even consider a bailout package.

What changed their minds?

Eisboch

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:32:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.



He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously awaiting
all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch


My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.

Meanwhile, for many, we inhaled another breath of Congressional disgust
today.

Last week, Pelosi and Reid were hitting all the airwaves, advocating and
pushing for a bailout of the automotive industry, particularly GM. Both
recommended using part of the 700B bailout package to make secure the jobs
of the employees and to protect the benefits of those retired.

Today, both have demanded that GM, Ford and Chrysler present by Dec 2nd, a
business plan that shows how any form of government assistance will make any
difference, before they will even consider a bailout package.

What changed their minds?

The fact that 90% of the American public is ****ed off at being sold a
bill of goods about the true nature of the auto bailout.

I said it then when it was first proposed and I'll say it now - the
average taxpaying schmuck who pays $30/40 co-pay everytime they go to
the doc and carries 20% co-pay on major medical is not going to stand
for supporting zero co-pays for UAW retirees and the feather bedding
"job security" for unproductive workers.

You want to hear an ear full about GM and the UAW, stop by your local
post office and open a conversation about it with people. You'll be
lucky to get out with having hearing damage.

Pelosi and Reid saw the way the wind was blowing and, with the true
conviction of the weak willed, changed tack.

Notice that Barry O hasn't chimed in on this in any significant way?

On Nov 20, 9:31*am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to watch
unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice but
to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating skills
in other areas.

Eisboch

Your conclusions are based upon?

The Clintons have gone out of their way to make the appointment public and
appear to be all but certain..... without actually waiting for Obama's team
to formally make a decision or announcment.
Big Bill has already agreed to cooperate fully in the vetting process, and
Hillary's staff has routinely leaked that the process is well underway.

If he choses Richardson or someone else instead, the Hillary followers are
going to scream bloody murder. *Dissed twice.

They have him boxed in pretty nicely.

Eisboch

This is really funny. When you are vetted by the FBI for a high level
job, all manner of people are contacted about you. There are dozens of
people who have been contacted about Hillary for this potential job. But
Hillary or Bill leaked it. Right.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They don't tell you what JOB the person is being vetted for. Only
that they are investigating.

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.


He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously awaiting
all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch

My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.

Meanwhile, for many, we inhaled another breath of Congressional disgust
today.

Last week, Pelosi and Reid were hitting all the airwaves, advocating and
pushing for a bailout of the automotive industry, particularly GM. Both
recommended using part of the 700B bailout package to make secure the jobs
of the employees and to protect the benefits of those retired.

Today, both have demanded that GM, Ford and Chrysler present by Dec 2nd, a
business plan that shows how any form of government assistance will make any
difference, before they will even consider a bailout package.

What changed their minds?

Eisboch




The arrogance of the Big Three CEO's.