Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.


He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously
awaiting all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for
Obama's successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch

My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.


That's right...there will be no White House support for efforts to
restrict abortion.

There will be no White House support for curtailing stem cell research.

There will be no White House support for efforts to deny science.

GITMO will be closed.

The NLRB will represent workers and management, not just management.

We will have an actual plan and actual schedule for getting out of Iraq.

Many of the most restrictive and onerous provisions of the unPatriot Act
will be flushed.

Et cetera.

You call that a social agenda. Those issues are irrelevant to 90% of
Americans right now. They want to know whether they are going to have a
job next year. The could care less about stem cell research, abortions
and denying science, whatever that means.

BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.


He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously
awaiting all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for
Obama's successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch

My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious
money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.


That's right...there will be no White House support for efforts to
restrict abortion.

There will be no White House support for curtailing stem cell research.

There will be no White House support for efforts to deny science.

GITMO will be closed.

The NLRB will represent workers and management, not just management.

We will have an actual plan and actual schedule for getting out of Iraq.

Many of the most restrictive and onerous provisions of the unPatriot
Act will be flushed.

Et cetera.

You call that a social agenda. Those issues are irrelevant to 90% of
Americans right now. They want to know whether they are going to have a
job next year. The could care less about stem cell research, abortions
and denying science, whatever that means.



The issue Eisboch raised was "social reform," crap-for-brains.

BAR wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:03:51 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to
watch unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice
but to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and
supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating
skills in other areas.

He's off to a great start.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...tory?track=rss


~~ snerk ~~

The Obama is out of his league.

This from a barely educated numbskull like you?

Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.


He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously
awaiting all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for
Obama's successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch

My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious
money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.


That's right...there will be no White House support for efforts to
restrict abortion.

There will be no White House support for curtailing stem cell research.

There will be no White House support for efforts to deny science.

GITMO will be closed.

The NLRB will represent workers and management, not just management.

We will have an actual plan and actual schedule for getting out of Iraq.

Many of the most restrictive and onerous provisions of the unPatriot
Act will be flushed.

Et cetera.

You call that a social agenda. Those issues are irrelevant to 90% of
Americans right now. They want to know whether they are going to have
a job next year. The could care less about stem cell research,
abortions and denying science, whatever that means.



The issue Eisboch raised was "social reform," crap-for-brains.


Oh, ok. Do you pay rent, or does she expect you to cut the grass and
rake the leaves?

Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:03:51 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to
watch unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice
but to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and
supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating
skills in other areas.

He's off to a great start.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...tory?track=rss


~~ snerk ~~

The Obama is out of his league.

This from a barely educated numbskull like you?

But, I own my own house.

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.


He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously
awaiting all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch

My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.



There will be no White House support for curtailing stem cell research.

Why should the government pay for stem cell reseach? Most of the what the
government pays for goes 90% of the way and then private money take it the
next 10% and to the patent stage and big payoffs. They can use stem cells
now, just not Federal Money.

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.


He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously
awaiting all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch

My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.



That's right...there will be no White House support for efforts to
restrict abortion.

There will be no White House support for curtailing stem cell research.

There will be no White House support for efforts to deny science.

GITMO will be closed.

The NLRB will represent workers and management, not just management.

We will have an actual plan and actual schedule for getting out of Iraq.

Many of the most restrictive and onerous provisions of the unPatriot Act
will be flushed.

Et cetera.



And life for the bulk of the US population won't change a bit.
As for a time table for exiting Iraq .... it's being established now.
Unless events change, the schedule won't change either.

Eisboch

"Boater" wrote in message
...

BAR wrote:

The former POTUS and first lady and sitting Senator do not need to be
vetted by the FBI.



Uh-huh. That's why they were...

They were? By the FBI? Are you sure?

I am very familiar with FBI background checks. Virtually anybody, civilian
or military who's job requires a security clearance has one performed on
them. They are very routine in nature for basic (confidential and secret)
clearances. In the old days the FBI or an authorized representative
visited your neighborhood, interviewing friends, neighbors, work associates,
etc. I don't think that happens so much anymore. I know from personal
experience that now-a-days the check is more reliant on data bases of
information, credit checks, passport information for foreign travel etc, and
personal interviews are not routinely conducted unless something pops up in
the data base. Background checks for high level clearances (top secret,
etc.) are done quietly and without notice to the public because the fact
that the person being "checked" may end up with that level of a clearance or
above can be a breach of security in of itself, if made public.

I don't believe the "vetting" process for Presidential appointees to high
level cabinet positions is exactly the same that your buddy, the postmaster
assistant, experienced. The vetting going on here is more associated with
assuring the Obama staff that appointees will not cause a embarrassing
situation or be controversial due to past associations or practices.

Eisboch

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.


He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously
awaiting all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch

My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.

Has anyone in the Democratic Party asked you about your "reform agenda"?

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

BAR wrote:
The former POTUS and first lady and sitting Senator do not need to be
vetted by the FBI.


Uh-huh. That's why they were...

They were? By the FBI? Are you sure?

I am very familiar with FBI background checks. Virtually anybody, civilian
or military who's job requires a security clearance has one performed on
them. They are very routine in nature for basic (confidential and secret)
clearances. In the old days the FBI or an authorized representative
visited your neighborhood, interviewing friends, neighbors, work associates,
etc. I don't think that happens so much anymore. I know from personal
experience that now-a-days the check is more reliant on data bases of
information, credit checks, passport information for foreign travel etc, and
personal interviews are not routinely conducted unless something pops up in
the data base. Background checks for high level clearances (top secret,
etc.) are done quietly and without notice to the public because the fact
that the person being "checked" may end up with that level of a clearance or
above can be a breach of security in of itself, if made public.

I don't believe the "vetting" process for Presidential appointees to high
level cabinet positions is exactly the same that your buddy, the postmaster
assistant, experienced. The vetting going on here is more associated with
assuring the Obama staff that appointees will not cause a embarrassing
situation or be controversial due to past associations or practices.

We still get badged federal investigators, carrying side-arms, visiting
us in our homes interviewing us about our neighbors and friends for
security clearences. There is quite a bit of government work in my
geographic area and in my general field. Anyone holding a CS degree and
a TS with a full scope poly can get if they are still breathing with
minutes.