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On Dec 17, 11:30 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:20:22 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
The Chevy
Blazer I drive now has less than 100,000 miles and because I have used
it like a truck, it's falling apart, literally...

It's not falling apart because you used it like a truck. It's
falling apart because the corporation that built it could give two
****z about quality and durability. That is why they are where they
are.

We are both right. I should be able to use a truck like a truck. ****,
the trailer I tow doesn't weigh 750 pounds loaded with the two bikes.
My boat and trailer only weighs less than 1000... The "truck" we
bought originally for the wife is really just a glorified car with bad
gas mileage... After 35 years of driving, I am looking at foreign
trucks for the first time ever. I just can't watch another American
car fall apart after 7 years... My Blazer is an 01 with less than
100,000, closer to 80,000. It's only been used as a truck for the last
15,000 or so. The doors are falling off the thing, the windshield is
falling out. Every contact point on the roof rack is leaking and
around the side windows, sunroof, the back gate won't stay open.. it
is a piece of ****... No more GM for me, and I used to work for them...

************************************************** *************

That's a scary thought...a bunch of 'JustHate clones' assembling your new
$30K vehicle.
Toyota, here I come!

John wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:34:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:47:22 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

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The doors are falling off the thing, the windshield is
falling out. Every contact point on the roof rack is leaking and
around the side windows, sunroof, the back gate won't stay open.. it
is a piece of ****... No more GM for me, and I used to work for them...


I could never figure out why GM has such a tough time designing window seals
that don't leak, particularly the rear window on cars. I've seen rust and
rot in those areas in all of the manufacturer's offerings, but for some
reason the ones built by GM seem to be far more prone to failure.

That might be personal perception.
Never seen that on any of my GM cars, or noticed it on any of the many
I've maintained. Have replaced a couple power window motors over the
years, but I have nothing to compare it against other brands since I
don't work on any others. Hasn't been a big deal.
BTW, one of my kids works all day on truck suspensions, and drives
them as part of his shake-downs.
The lighter pickups have quite different front suspensions, and he
prefers the Fords, though he's pure GM with his cars.
I think he said the GM 1500 has struts, and don't even think of
putting a plow on it, as many disappointed buyers have done.
Can't remember all the details he spouts out sometimes.
Like anything, you have to get into a bit before you buy, and most
people just believe what the dealer tells them.
I've heard plenty of bad things about Blazers, but people buy them
anyway. Maybe the looks, or they cost less than the competition.
But then Bill says his wife has a good one.
Sometimes TLC rules, and I really don't believe some cars get the care
that others do. Cars are wrapped up in a lot of psychology, and
there's a lot of irrationality in the relationship.
"Ergonomics" is especially a gold mine for that. In many cases it
means as much as what kind of legs you like on your woman.
The internet is real useful in getting detailed problem info.
Better than limited personal anecdotes, yours or mine.
Just as good are mechanics who work on the vehicles all day all the
time.
Dealer mechanics can tell you anything you want to know about a
particular vehicle. But you have to get them away from the service
writer.
Some independent specialists are almost as good. I lucked onto a
local mechanic whose clientele was 95% grey-haired GM car owners.
He's retired now, but was around a long time. You could ask him
about any common GM car and he had seen everything that could go wrong
and tell you how to prevent it or just accept it.
Used him before my son started doing my work, and never
had to go back twice. He wasn't cheap, nor too expensive.

--Vic

My GMC pickup, a 1995, had 160K miles on it when I sold it, cheap, to a
nephew. That was almost two years ago. He's running the daylights out of
it, but he keeps it greased and oiled. It's still running very well.

My wife had a Jimmy (Blazer). With 80K on it, it needed a new transmission
and a few other big bill repairs. We got rid of it, and got her a
Highlander. She absolutely loved the Jimmy, but we wouldn't get another
one.
--

John Salmonbait
I think vehicle perception is a significant factor when people talk
about autos. At some point in the last thirty years many Americans
decided that any thing made in America was bad, consequently the foreign
cars have been getting a larger share of the market.

From my personal experience I know of three Honda's that have blown
their engines. Yet Hondas are seen as good. I know of no American cars
that have blown their engines. I drove one new Toyota, that while
mechanically good, all of the little things like power mirrors were
crudely engineered.

One of the American cars that I owned gave me nearly 200k trouble free
miles. That car, a 1976 Aspin was rated as the worst car in America,
had an engine problem at 180k. A friend with the sister car Volare got
over 200k with no problems.

I have never owned anything but American, and every one had over 150k
before they were traded, and I have had no major problems with any.

On Dec 18, 8:45*am, Keith nuttle wrote:
John wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:34:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:47:22 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

wrote in message
....

The doors are falling off the thing, the windshield is
falling out. Every contact point on the roof rack is leaking and
around the side windows, sunroof, the back gate won't stay open.. it
is a piece of ****... No more GM for me, and I used to work for them....

I could never figure out why GM has such a tough time designing window seals
that don't leak, particularly the rear window on cars. * I've seen rust and
rot in those areas in all of the manufacturer's offerings, but for some
reason the ones built by GM seem to be far more prone to failure.

That might be personal perception.
Never seen that on any of my GM cars, or noticed it on any of the many
I've maintained. *Have replaced a couple power window motors over the
years, but I have nothing to compare it against other brands since I
don't work on any others. *Hasn't been a big deal.
BTW, one of my kids works all day on truck suspensions, and drives
them as part of his shake-downs.
The lighter pickups have quite different front suspensions, and he
prefers the Fords, though he's pure GM with his cars.
I think he said the GM 1500 has struts, and don't even think of
putting a plow on it, as many disappointed buyers have done.
Can't remember all the details he spouts out sometimes.
Like anything, you have to get into a bit before you buy, and most
people just believe what the dealer tells them.
I've heard plenty of bad things about Blazers, but people buy them
anyway. *Maybe the looks, or they cost less than the competition.
But then Bill says his wife has a good one.
Sometimes TLC rules, and I really don't believe some cars get the care
that others do. *Cars are wrapped up in a lot of psychology, and
there's a lot of irrationality in the relationship.
"Ergonomics" is especially a gold mine for that. *In many cases it
means as much as what kind of legs you like on your woman. * *
The internet is real useful in getting detailed problem info.
Better than limited personal anecdotes, yours or mine.
Just as good are mechanics who work on the vehicles all day all the
time.
Dealer mechanics can tell you anything you want to know about a
particular vehicle. *But you have to get them away from the service
writer.
Some independent specialists are almost as good. *I lucked onto a
local mechanic whose clientele was 95% grey-haired GM car owners.
He's retired now, but was around a long time. *You could ask him
about any common GM car and he had seen everything that could go wrong
and tell you how to prevent it or just accept it.
Used him before my son started doing my work, and never
had to go back twice. *He wasn't cheap, nor too expensive.

--Vic

My GMC pickup, a 1995, had 160K miles on it when I sold it, cheap, to a
nephew. That was almost two years ago. He's running the daylights out of
it, but he keeps it greased and oiled. It's still running very well.

My wife had a Jimmy (Blazer). With 80K on it, it needed a new transmission
and a few other big bill repairs. We got rid of it, and got her a
Highlander. She absolutely loved the Jimmy, but we wouldn't get another
one.
--

John Salmonbait

I think vehicle perception is a significant factor when people talk
about autos. *At some point in the last thirty years many Americans
decided that any thing made in America was bad, consequently the foreign
cars have been getting a larger share of the market.

*From my personal experience I know of three Honda's that have blown
their engines. *Yet Hondas are seen as good. *I know of no American cars
that have blown their engines. *I drove one new Toyota, that while
mechanically good, all of the little things like power mirrors *were
crudely engineered.

One of the American cars that I owned gave me nearly 200k trouble free
miles. *That car, a 1976 Aspin was rated as the worst car in America,
had an engine problem at 180k. * A friend with the sister car Volare got
over 200k with no problems.

I have never owned anything but American, and every one had over 150k
before they were traded, and I have had no major problems with any.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have to agree somewhat. My 1995 Jeep Cherokee had WELL over 350k
when I bought my new truck, and still runs fine. My neighbor has two
Hondas, one is some sort of more luxury model, and one he has tricked
out somewhat. He works on them a lot. Always seems as if something is
wrong, CV joints, one tranny when out, one had some other drive train
problem, don't remember what. And this guy is super anal, I'll
guarantee that those cars are maintained very well. My uncle had a
Dodge Spirit that had a lot of miles on it when he died. We took that
car and my wife drove it for a few years afterward, never done
anything to it besides change oil. The valve cover leaked and that was
about it. We finally got rid of it not because it wouldn't run, but we
got sick of the oil on the driveway!

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:30:03 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:20:22 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

The Chevy
Blazer I drive now has less than 100,000 miles and because I have used
it like a truck, it's falling apart, literally...

It's not falling apart because you used it like a truck. It's
falling apart because the corporation that built it could give two
****z about quality and durability. That is why they are where they
are.

We have two trucks, a F-150 and a Lincoln Navigator. The Navigator
developed a leaking valve guide at 175k. We figured it was the opening
shot in a campaign to get all my dough, what with 31more valves, four
cams. And so on, and on. So we put in a new motor. A thousand miles
later the starter went out. Five hundred bucks! Figures.

Casady

Don White wrote:
wrote in message
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On Dec 17, 11:30 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:20:22 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
The Chevy
Blazer I drive now has less than 100,000 miles and because I have used
it like a truck, it's falling apart, literally...
It's not falling apart because you used it like a truck. It's
falling apart because the corporation that built it could give two
****z about quality and durability. That is why they are where they
are.

We are both right. I should be able to use a truck like a truck. ****,
the trailer I tow doesn't weigh 750 pounds loaded with the two bikes.
My boat and trailer only weighs less than 1000... The "truck" we
bought originally for the wife is really just a glorified car with bad
gas mileage... After 35 years of driving, I am looking at foreign
trucks for the first time ever. I just can't watch another American
car fall apart after 7 years... My Blazer is an 01 with less than
100,000, closer to 80,000. It's only been used as a truck for the last
15,000 or so. The doors are falling off the thing, the windshield is
falling out. Every contact point on the roof rack is leaking and
around the side windows, sunroof, the back gate won't stay open.. it
is a piece of ****... No more GM for me, and I used to work for them...

************************************************** *************

That's a scary thought...a bunch of 'JustHate clones' assembling your new
$30K vehicle.
Toyota, here I come!


Where's your union solidarity?

On Dec 18, 9:47 am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:30:03 -0500, Wayne.B

wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:20:22 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

The Chevy
Blazer I drive now has less than 100,000 miles and because I have used
it like a truck, it's falling apart, literally...

It's not falling apart because you used it like a truck. It's
falling apart because the corporation that built it could give two
****z about quality and durability. That is why they are where they
are.

We have two trucks, a F-150 and a Lincoln Navigator. The Navigator
developed a leaking valve guide at 175k. We figured it was the opening
shot in a campaign to get all my dough, what with 31more valves, four
cams. And so on, and on. So we put in a new motor. A thousand miles
later the starter went out. Five hundred bucks! Figures.

Casady

Am now having some "buyers regrets" knowing that even with 4WD that
I'll be hesitant to take my shiny new truck down some rutted roads
with branches that will scratch her. I'll try to tell myself "Hell,
it's a truck" and go anyway. A week after I bought my old NIssan in
1985, I turned on its side on a seriously steep icy 4WD road in the
Newsome Sinks area near Huntsville, AL going to a cave. We got out
and righted her and she always had that dent on the right side as a
badge of "I can go anywhere".
Getting 4WD was not part of my plan because I almost never use it here
in FL but I got a very good deal so.............My family wants to use
it in Wyoming when we go there every year.

On Dec 17, 9:00*pm, Frogwatch wrote:

*Will just have to get used
to it. *Maybe throw a buncha tools in the back to roll around and some
empty oil cans and it'll feel right.


Be sure to poke a hole in the muffler, so you can get that good and
used "sound"

On Dec 17, 11:05*pm, wrote:
On Dec 17, 11:30*pm, Wayne.B wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:20:22 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
The Chevy
Blazer I drive now has less than 100,000 miles and because I have used
it like a truck, it's falling apart, literally...

It's not falling apart because you used it like a truck. * It's
falling apart because the corporation that built it could give two
****z about quality and durability. * That is why they are where they
are.

We are both right. I should be able to use a truck like a truck. ****,
the trailer I tow doesn't weigh 750 pounds loaded with the two bikes.
My boat and trailer only weighs less than 1000... The "truck" we
bought originally for the wife is really just a glorified car with bad
gas mileage... *After 35 years of driving, I am looking at foreign
trucks for the first time ever. I just can't watch another American
car fall apart after 7 years... My Blazer is an 01 with less than
100,000, closer to 80,000. It's only been used as a truck for the last
15,000 or so. The doors are falling off the thing, the windshield is
falling out. Every contact point on the roof rack is leaking and
around the side windows, sunroof, the back gate won't stay open.. it
is a piece of ****... No more GM for me, and I used to work for them...

Simple solution. Get an old mercury stationwagon. It's a half ton ford
pickup with a camper shell already made on it.

Works for me....

On Dec 18, 8:47*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:30:03 -0500, Wayne.B

wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:20:22 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

The Chevy
Blazer I drive now has less than 100,000 miles and because I have used
it like a truck, it's falling apart, literally...

It's not falling apart because you used it like a truck. * It's
falling apart because the corporation that built it could give two
****z about quality and durability. * That is why they are where they
are.

We have two trucks, a F-150 and a Lincoln Navigator. The Navigator
developed a leaking valve guide at 175k. We figured it was the opening
shot in a campaign to get all my dough, what with 31more valves, four
cams. And so on, and on. So we put in a new motor. A thousand miles
later the starter went out. Five hundred bucks! Figures.

Casady

500 bucks for a starter?????

CRIPES!

On Dec 18, 11:23*am, Tim wrote:
On Dec 17, 11:05*pm, wrote:





On Dec 17, 11:30*pm, Wayne.B wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:20:22 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
The Chevy
Blazer I drive now has less than 100,000 miles and because I have used
it like a truck, it's falling apart, literally...

It's not falling apart because you used it like a truck. * It's
falling apart because the corporation that built it could give two
****z about quality and durability. * That is why they are where they
are.

We are both right. I should be able to use a truck like a truck. ****,
the trailer I tow doesn't weigh 750 pounds loaded with the two bikes.
My boat and trailer only weighs less than 1000... The "truck" we
bought originally for the wife is really just a glorified car with bad
gas mileage... *After 35 years of driving, I am looking at foreign
trucks for the first time ever. I just can't watch another American
car fall apart after 7 years... My Blazer is an 01 with less than
100,000, closer to 80,000. It's only been used as a truck for the last
15,000 or so. The doors are falling off the thing, the windshield is
falling out. Every contact point on the roof rack is leaking and
around the side windows, sunroof, the back gate won't stay open.. it
is a piece of ****... No more GM for me, and I used to work for them...

Simple solution. Get an old mercury stationwagon. It's a half ton ford
pickup with a camper shell already made on it.

Works for me....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Since Tom is away I will say it for him.. Luddite, that's what he says
right?