On 28 Dec 2008 04:38:47 GMT, Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:14:41 -0800, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:

On Dec 27, 4:02*pm, D Murphy wrote:
wrote in news:ede6df2a-5d07-4470-a012-
:

ÿ Will they be giving back the $28,000?

They should buy O'bamas senate seat.

That's not nearly enough money. It appears to be $25,000.00 minimum for
an appointed state job. State contracts sell for more. Senate seats
according to Blago are "****ing golden."

We have testimony in Federal court that state jobs and contracts were
sold in exchange for donations to Blagojevich's campaign.

The natural question would be; who was running that campaign and just
how much did the campaign managers know about it.

The answer is Blagojevich, Emanuel, Obama, and Wilhelm ran the
campaign. I find it hard to believe that any member of this team who
ran the budget, hustled donations, bought advertising, and met
regularly didn't know what was going on.

Did Obama not want to deal for the seat because he figured Blago owed
him? Or did he suddenly find some ethics? Time will tell.

I know I'm resting easier now that the Obama transition team has
finished its investigation into the Obama transition team and much to
my surprise found no evidence of "inappropriate" contact with Blago.
Case closed. At least until Blago gets convicted and decides to sing
like Rezko and the rest. Obama will be into his third year by then.

--

Dan

CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d

Hopefully, the feds have made copies of the tapes because once the new
administration puts their guy in charge of the FBI...

Aren't you the guy who was going to support the new president?

He's waiting until the new president is sworn in.

Curly Surmudgeon wrote in news:495702d6$0
:

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:14:41 -0800, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:

On Dec 27, 4:02Â*pm, D Murphy wrote:
wrote in news:ede6df2a-5d07-4470-a012-
:

ÿ Will they be giving back the $28,000?

They should buy O'bamas senate seat.

That's not nearly enough money. It appears to be $25,000.00 minimum
for
an appointed state job. State contracts sell for more. Senate seats
according to Blago are "****ing golden."

We have testimony in Federal court that state jobs and contracts were
sold in exchange for donations to Blagojevich's campaign.

The natural question would be; who was running that campaign and just
how much did the campaign managers know about it.

The answer is Blagojevich, Emanuel, Obama, and Wilhelm ran the
campaign. I find it hard to believe that any member of this team who
ran the budget, hustled donations, bought advertising, and met
regularly didn't know what was going on.

Did Obama not want to deal for the seat because he figured Blago owed
him? Or did he suddenly find some ethics? Time will tell.

I know I'm resting easier now that the Obama transition team has
finished its investigation into the Obama transition team and much to
my surprise found no evidence of "inappropriate" contact with Blago.
Case closed. At least until Blago gets convicted and decides to sing
like Rezko and the rest. Obama will be into his third year by then.

--

Dan

CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d

Hopefully, the feds have made copies of the tapes because once the new
administration puts their guy in charge of the FBI...

Aren't you the guy who was going to support the new president?


I hope he does a great job and things go well for him. But he's not
president yet and there are lots of questions reporters won't ask him.
Plus he's already lied about this deal.

--

Dan

CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:48:21 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

Rich was
pardoned by Clinton after he cheated the USA out of 250 million in
taxes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cl...ns_controversy
[
Federal prosecutor Mary Jo White was appointed to investigate the pardons. She
was later replaced by James Comey. Comey found no grounds to indict Clinton.
.....
Rich owed $48 million in taxes and was charged with 51 counts of tax fraud, was
pardoned of tax evasion after clemency pleas from Israeli prime minister Ehud
Barak, among many other international luminaries. He was required to pay a $100
million dollar fine and waive any use of the pardon as a defense against any
future civil charges that were filed against him in the same case.
.....
Denise Rich ... Scooter Libby requested that she approach Clinton for a pardon.
]

Looks like Clinton not only got the $48 million but another $100 million
dollars in fines.
Lets see gummer's' tax returns ....
--
Cliff

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:42:03 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:47:25 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:14:11 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Lets compare the ethics of two presidential pardons. Rich was
pardoned by Clinton after he cheated the USA out of 250 million in
taxes. Later, Rich made campaign contributions to Hillary.
Bush pardons this guy and then finds he contributed $25,000 to the RNC
and rescinds the pardon.
Who is more ethical?
Are Dems even capable of reasoning?

WMDs, Katrina aftermath, destruction of the economy, denial of science,
Terry Schiavo.

No reasoning whatsoever, just bull****, on the Democrat side

Thanks Bloater for the admission

Gunner



You ought to consider posting directly on rec.boats, gummy. You'll find
a pestilence of posters who share your imbecilic politics and view of
the world. No need to have or even be interested in boats...there are
many there in that category.

So why are you posting into the metalworking newsgroups? Id be terribly
surprised if you could operate a cordless drill motor without a
catastrophic accident, let alone machinery weighing many tons and
holding microns of accuracy when cutting metals.

Frankly, your constant crossposting into the two metalworking groups and
showing everyone your ass, appears to be a pathetic cry for attention.
I notice you have largely worn out your welcome on the boat newsgroup,
...its not even in your the cross post list. Most of your posts are not.
One assumes you have come over to the metalworking groups, and left out
your boat group, because you really didnt want the other there, who
already hold you in deep contempt, from seeing you get your ass handed
to you in such a regular fashion.

**** off, ****mere. Its no wonder they call you Bloater.

Gunner

Cliff wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:42:03 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:47:25 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:14:11 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Lets compare the ethics of two presidential pardons. Rich was
pardoned by Clinton after he cheated the USA out of 250 million in
taxes. Later, Rich made campaign contributions to Hillary.
Bush pardons this guy and then finds he contributed $25,000 to the RNC
and rescinds the pardon.
Who is more ethical?
Are Dems even capable of reasoning?
WMDs, Katrina aftermath, destruction of the economy, denial of science,
Terry Schiavo.

No reasoning whatsoever, just bull****, on the Democrat side
Thanks Bloater for the admission

Gunner


You ought to consider posting directly on rec.boats, gummy. You'll find
a pestilence of posters who share your imbecilic politics and view of
the world. No need to have or even be interested in boats...there are
many there in that category.
So why are you posting into the metalworking newsgroups? Id be terribly
surprised if you could operate a cordless drill motor without a
catastrophic accident, let alone machinery weighing many tons and
holding microns of accuracy when cutting metals.

Frankly, your constant crossposting into the two metalworking groups and
showing everyone your ass, appears to be a pathetic cry for attention.
I notice you have largely worn out your welcome on the boat newsgroup,
...its not even in your the cross post list. Most of your posts are not.
One assumes you have come over to the metalworking groups, and left out
your boat group, because you really didnt want the other there, who
already hold you in deep contempt, from seeing you get your ass handed
to you in such a regular fashion.

**** off, ****mere. Its no wonder they call you Bloater.

Gunner



Gummy is sooooooo easy... :)

What a tool.

On 26 Dec 2008 21:00:05 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Jeff Mc wrote in news:3RU4l.12899$nD1.11317
:

D Murphy wrote:
Jeff Mc wrote in
:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote:

On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote:
http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516
"One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac
Toussie,
President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare
and
possibly unprecedented."
[
Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded
guilty in 2003 to
defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage
and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the
largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy
homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing
class-action lawsuit involving 400 families.

Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking
Toussie's
pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that
his
father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just
months before the pardon petition.

The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ]

Will they be giving back the $28,000?

And HOW can they UNDO a pardon?
According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power.

If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now
undo it?
Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama.

--
Cliff
Maybe their check bounced???
Ha!

dennis
in nca
I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave
up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up.
Problem is that Osama won't use the power.

He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. While a
decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Otherwise
it would merely be a parole.


Presidential pardons can and have been reversed.


Really? That's news me. got a cite hardy? I'd like to learn more.


No I don't. But there's this search engine called Google and if you use
it you can find loads of them. Like this one -

http://pardonpower.com/2008/12/can-president-revoke-pardon-he-has.html

That looks like bunkum.
I did some searches g.

Presidents can revoke pardons and commutations issued by other presidents
as well as ones they issued themselves.

HTH

HTH
--
Cliff

On 27 Dec 2008 21:02:48 GMT, D Murphy wrote:


I know I'm resting easier now that the Obama transition team has finished
its investigation into the Obama transition team and much to my surprise
found no evidence of "inappropriate" contact with Blago.

Neither did the federal prosecutor.
They don't even like each other IIRC.
--
Cliff

On 28 Dec 2008 18:30:13 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Plus he's already lied about this deal.

I don't recall hearing from bush or SureShot but I may have missed it.
--
Cliff

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:34:47 -0800, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:

On Dec 27, 11:38Â*pm, Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:14:41 -0800, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:
On Dec 27, 4:02Â*pm, D Murphy wrote:
wrote in
news:ede6df2a-5d07-4470-a012-
:

ÿ Will they be giving back the $28,000?

They should buy O'bamas senate seat.

That's not nearly enough money. It appears to be $25,000.00 minimum
for an appointed state job. State contracts sell for more. Senate
seats according to Blago are "****ing golden."

We have testimony in Federal court that state jobs and contracts
were sold in exchange for donations to Blagojevich's campaign.

The natural question would be; who was running that campaign and
just how much did the campaign managers know about it.

The answer is Blagojevich, Emanuel, Obama, and Wilhelm ran the
campaign. I find it hard to believe that any member of this team who
ran the budget, hustled donations, bought advertising, and met
regularly didn't know what was going on.

Did Obama not want to deal for the seat because he figured Blago
owed him? Or did he suddenly find some ethics? Time will tell.

I know I'm resting easier now that the Obama transition team has
finished its investigation into the Obama transition team and much
to my surprise found no evidence of "inappropriate" contact with
Blago. Case closed. At least until Blago gets convicted and decides
to sing like Rezko and the rest. Obama will be into his third year
by then.

--

Dan

CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d

Hopefully, the feds have made copies of the tapes because once the
new administration puts their guy in charge of the FBI...

Aren't you the guy who was going to support the new president?

--
Regards, Curly

He isn't the new president yet.

Then are we to believe that on January 21st you'll unreservedly support
Obama and lamblast Bush?

Until then, he's a suspec, no?

I have no idea what a "suspec" is.

--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
20 Days More of George Walker Bush Plundering the Economy
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:35:50 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Cliff wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:42:03 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:47:25 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:14:11 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Lets compare the ethics of two presidential pardons. Rich was
pardoned by Clinton after he cheated the USA out of 250 million in
taxes. Later, Rich made campaign contributions to Hillary.
Bush pardons this guy and then finds he contributed $25,000 to the RNC
and rescinds the pardon.
Who is more ethical?
Are Dems even capable of reasoning?
WMDs, Katrina aftermath, destruction of the economy, denial of science,
Terry Schiavo.

No reasoning whatsoever, just bull****, on the Democrat side
Thanks Bloater for the admission

Gunner


You ought to consider posting directly on rec.boats, gummy. You'll find
a pestilence of posters who share your imbecilic politics and view of
the world. No need to have or even be interested in boats...there are
many there in that category.
So why are you posting into the metalworking newsgroups? Id be terribly
surprised if you could operate a cordless drill motor without a
catastrophic accident, let alone machinery weighing many tons and
holding microns of accuracy when cutting metals.

Frankly, your constant crossposting into the two metalworking groups and
showing everyone your ass, appears to be a pathetic cry for attention.
I notice you have largely worn out your welcome on the boat newsgroup,
...its not even in your the cross post list. Most of your posts are not.
One assumes you have come over to the metalworking groups, and left out
your boat group, because you really didnt want the other there, who
already hold you in deep contempt, from seeing you get your ass handed
to you in such a regular fashion.

**** off, ****mere. Its no wonder they call you Bloater.

Gunner



Gummy is sooooooo easy... :)

What a tool.


Bloater is soooo easy
What a fool