BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:35:47 -0500, BAR wrote:


At best, Bush will be remembered by history as a mediocre President,
more likely, he will be remembered as one of the worst.
It will take 20 to 40 years to find out.

I'm just curious, what do you consider will be his successes?

He did rather than talked. When action was required he took action.

A trait of leadership is being able to make a decision. It may be the
wrong decision but at least it was a decision.

With Bush, just about every decision was the wrong decision. Will you
ever tire of trying to rationalize away the utter and complete
incompetency of Bush?

Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:35:47 -0500, BAR wrote:


At best, Bush will be remembered by history as a mediocre President,
more likely, he will be remembered as one of the worst.
It will take 20 to 40 years to find out.

I'm just curious, what do you consider will be his successes?

He did rather than talked. When action was required he took action.

A trait of leadership is being able to make a decision. It may be the
wrong decision but at least it was a decision.

With Bush, just about every decision was the wrong decision. Will you
ever tire of trying to rationalize away the utter and complete
incompetency of Bush?

I disagree with many of the decisions that Bush made but, at least he
made decisions when they needed to be made. Clinton couldn't make a
decision without first conducting a public opinion poll. Obama has the
same problem that Clinton had. Obama will lick his finger stick it up
and see which way the wind is blowing and then contemplate making the
decision and may just put off making the decision until the next day
hoping that he won't have to make the decision.

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:11:01 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:35:47 -0500, BAR wrote:


At best, Bush will be remembered by history as a mediocre President,
more likely, he will be remembered as one of the worst.
It will take 20 to 40 years to find out.

I'm just curious, what do you consider will be his successes?

He did rather than talked. When action was required he took action.

A trait of leadership is being able to make a decision. It may be the
wrong decision but at least it was a decision. Contrast this with Bush's
predecessor and follower who are afraid to make decisions when the
decision need to be made. Both Clinton and Obama will wait and wait and
then they may make the decision.

Decisiveness is only one trait of leadership, and it definitely helps if
you are right, but I was asking a serious question. I personally think
Bush is the worst President in my lifetime, but you obviously don't. I
was seriously asking what you think his successes will be. I'll give you
Iraq *could* eventually be a success, but what else has he done
successfully?

wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:11:01 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:35:47 -0500, BAR wrote:


At best, Bush will be remembered by history as a mediocre President,
more likely, he will be remembered as one of the worst.
It will take 20 to 40 years to find out.
I'm just curious, what do you consider will be his successes?
He did rather than talked. When action was required he took action.

A trait of leadership is being able to make a decision. It may be the
wrong decision but at least it was a decision. Contrast this with Bush's
predecessor and follower who are afraid to make decisions when the
decision need to be made. Both Clinton and Obama will wait and wait and
then they may make the decision.

Decisiveness is only one trait of leadership, and it definitely helps if
you are right, but I was asking a serious question. I personally think
Bush is the worst President in my lifetime, but you obviously don't. I
was seriously asking what you think his successes will be. I'll give you
Iraq *could* eventually be a success, but what else has he done
successfully?

Why don't you just go off on your rant about how bad Bush was and we can
conclude the discussion. I doesn't matter what I say you will argue the
opposite.

On Dec 28, 11:27*am, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:11:01 -0500, BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:35:47 -0500, BAR wrote:

At best, Bush will be remembered by history as a mediocre President,
more likely, he will be remembered as one of the worst.
It will take 20 to 40 years to find out.

I'm just curious, what do you consider will be his successes?

He did rather than talked. When action was required he took action.

A trait of leadership is being able to make a decision. It may be the
wrong decision but at least it was a decision. Contrast this with Bush's
predecessor and follower who are afraid to make decisions when the
decision need to be made. Both Clinton and Obama will wait and wait and
then they may make the decision.

Decisiveness is only one trait of leadership, and it definitely helps if
you are right, but I was asking a serious question. *I personally think
Bush is the worst President in my lifetime,

So, you are just a pup, born after the Carter administration? I
thought you were older. As to Clinton, he only made decisions based on
polls and getting re-elected and later financed into a nice rich
jetset lifestyle by the likes of Marc Rich, George Soros and earlier
the Chinese Military...

but you obviously don't. *I
was seriously asking what you think his successes will be. *I'll give you
Iraq *could* eventually be a success, but what else has he done
successfully? *- Hide quoted text -

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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:50:59 -0800, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:


So, you are just a pup, born after the Carter administration? I thought
you were older. As to Clinton, he only made decisions based on polls and
getting re-elected and later financed into a nice rich jetset lifestyle
by the likes of Marc Rich, George Soros and earlier the Chinese
Military...

Not that much of a pup. ;-( I think Carter was mediocre at best, but,
personally, I think Bush is the worst. It may come as a surprise to you,
but I never much cared for Clinton. I thought "Slick Willie" was an apt
nickname. However, I do have to admit a grudging respect for his
Presidency. We all got fat, and it was a Presidency of relatively
tranquil times. I didn't like the man, but he was a competent President.

On Dec 28, 12:06*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:50:59 -0800, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:
So, you are just a pup, born after the Carter administration? I thought
you were older. As to Clinton, he only made decisions based on polls and
getting re-elected and later financed into a nice rich jetset lifestyle
by the likes of Marc Rich, George Soros and earlier the Chinese
Military...

Not that much of a pup. ;-( *I think Carter was mediocre at best, but,
personally, I think Bush is the worst. *It may come as a surprise to you,
but I never much cared for Clinton. *I thought "Slick Willie" was an apt
nickname. *However, I do have to admit a grudging respect for his
Presidency. *We all got fat, and it was a Presidency of relatively
tranquil times. *I didn't like the man, but he was a competent President.

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:06:38 -0600, wrote:

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:50:59 -0800, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:


So, you are just a pup, born after the Carter administration? I thought
you were older. As to Clinton, he only made decisions based on polls and
getting re-elected and later financed into a nice rich jetset lifestyle
by the likes of Marc Rich, George Soros and earlier the Chinese
Military...

Not that much of a pup. ;-( I think Carter was mediocre at best, but,
personally, I think Bush is the worst. It may come as a surprise to you,
but I never much cared for Clinton. I thought "Slick Willie" was an apt
nickname. However, I do have to admit a grudging respect for his
Presidency. We all got fat, and it was a Presidency of relatively
tranquil times. I didn't like the man, but he was a competent President.

He's a big part of what got us where we are economically, along with
Reagan and the Bushes.
Dependent on foreigners to produce our goods, and deeply in hock.
We'll see how that works out shortly.
Personally I don't think it will be pretty.
But I'm often wrong.

--Vic

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:13:20 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Dec 28, 12:06Â*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:50:59 -0800, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:
So, you are just a pup, born after the Carter administration? I thought
you were older. As to Clinton, he only made decisions based on polls and
getting re-elected and later financed into a nice rich jetset lifestyle
by the likes of Marc Rich, George Soros and earlier the Chinese
Military...

Not that much of a pup. ;-( Â*I think Carter was mediocre at best, but,
personally, I think Bush is the worst. Â*It may come as a surprise to you,
but I never much cared for Clinton. Â*I thought "Slick Willie" was an apt
nickname. Â*However, I do have to admit a grudging respect for his
Presidency. Â*We all got fat, and it was a Presidency of relatively
tranquil times. Â*I didn't like the man, but he was a competent President.

We got rich on paper, it was more or less like a ponzi scheme, kind of
like the Y2K hoax which really led to the crash of the electronics
industry in 02-03...

Later, remember he (Clinton) said he didn't care if we were all making
potato chips.. Then of course low skill jobs weren't good enough for
us during the Bush admin...

BTW, I was only kidding about the Pup thing

Respectfully, Scotty..

You better be. You're probably the Pup here among these geezers.

--Vic

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wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:11:01 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:35:47 -0500, BAR wrote:


At best, Bush will be remembered by history as a mediocre President,
more likely, he will be remembered as one of the worst.
It will take 20 to 40 years to find out.
I'm just curious, what do you consider will be his successes?
He did rather than talked. When action was required he took action.

A trait of leadership is being able to make a decision. It may be the
wrong decision but at least it was a decision. Contrast this with Bush's
predecessor and follower who are afraid to make decisions when the
decision need to be made. Both Clinton and Obama will wait and wait and
then they may make the decision.

Decisiveness is only one trait of leadership, and it definitely helps if
you are right, but I was asking a serious question. I personally think
Bush is the worst President in my lifetime, but you obviously don't. I
was seriously asking what you think his successes will be. I'll give you
Iraq *could* eventually be a success, but what else has he done
successfully?

Why don't you just go off on your rant about how bad Bush was and we can
conclude the discussion. I doesn't matter what I say you will argue the
opposite.

Not a thunder supporter, but is a valid question. Bush has been a bad
POTUS. Maybe the worst in 40 years, but Clinton was also a bad POTUS. He,
in some ways, may be worse, in that he had the charisma and mandate to fix
things. He did not. Left the Middle East unfixed, or not even marginally
safer. Made North Korea even a bigger problem. Laid the foundation for the
present economic meltdown. Is a continuation and major result of letting
the dot.bomb debacle happen. Bush overspent, and started a war in Iraq,
when he should have completed Afghanistan first. Open 2 fronts did not work
in 1942, and does not work now. Expanded Federal government and size even
greater than the previous POTUS. A man who ran on fiscal responsibility and
restraint of government. Not! I hope Obama can fix a lot of the wrongs.
Very skeptical, as he has not a background in problem solving and has Reid
and Pelosi running Congress. We have not had a good POTUS for a long time.