Calif Bill wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:11:01 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:35:47 -0500, BAR wrote:


At best, Bush will be remembered by history as a mediocre President,
more likely, he will be remembered as one of the worst.
It will take 20 to 40 years to find out.
I'm just curious, what do you consider will be his successes?
He did rather than talked. When action was required he took action.

A trait of leadership is being able to make a decision. It may be the
wrong decision but at least it was a decision. Contrast this with Bush's
predecessor and follower who are afraid to make decisions when the
decision need to be made. Both Clinton and Obama will wait and wait and
then they may make the decision.
Decisiveness is only one trait of leadership, and it definitely helps if
you are right, but I was asking a serious question. I personally think
Bush is the worst President in my lifetime, but you obviously don't. I
was seriously asking what you think his successes will be. I'll give you
Iraq *could* eventually be a success, but what else has he done
successfully?
Why don't you just go off on your rant about how bad Bush was and we can
conclude the discussion. I doesn't matter what I say you will argue the
opposite.

Not a thunder supporter, but is a valid question. Bush has been a bad
POTUS. Maybe the worst in 40 years, but Clinton was also a bad POTUS. He,
in some ways, may be worse, in that he had the charisma and mandate to fix

How can you have a mandate when you never receive more than 50% of the
vote?

things. He did not. Left the Middle East unfixed, or not even marginally
safer. Made North Korea even a bigger problem. Laid the foundation for the
present economic meltdown. Is a continuation and major result of letting
the dot.bomb debacle happen. Bush overspent, and started a war in Iraq,
when he should have completed Afghanistan first. Open 2 fronts did not work

Bush did overspend, he should have used the veto pen more often. He
should have put a stop to earmarks.

in 1942, and does not work now. Expanded Federal government and size even
greater than the previous POTUS. A man who ran on fiscal responsibility and
restraint of government. Not! I hope Obama can fix a lot of the wrongs.
Very skeptical, as he has not a background in problem solving and has Reid
and Pelosi running Congress. We have not had a good POTUS for a long time.

Obama is not a leader, not an executive, not a decision maker. He is a
consensus builder by trade.

Pelosi is a disaster happening in real time. She is more interested in
the trappings of office than she is in serving the people of the country.

True, it has been 20 years since our last good president.

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:56:40 -0600, wrote:

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:35:47 -0500, BAR wrote:


At best, Bush will be remembered by history as a mediocre President,
more likely, he will be remembered as one of the worst.

It will take 20 to 40 years to find out.

I'm just curious, what do you consider will be his successes?
Bush will be remembered as the President who brought democracy to Iraq and
Afghanistan, dealing severe blows to al-Qaeda worldwide while defeating it
in Iraq, bringing this country back from the results of 9/11, and
preventing another attack during his term.

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:27:49 -0600, wrote:

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:11:01 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:35:47 -0500, BAR wrote:


At best, Bush will be remembered by history as a mediocre President,
more likely, he will be remembered as one of the worst.
It will take 20 to 40 years to find out.

I'm just curious, what do you consider will be his successes?

He did rather than talked. When action was required he took action.

A trait of leadership is being able to make a decision. It may be the
wrong decision but at least it was a decision. Contrast this with Bush's
predecessor and follower who are afraid to make decisions when the
decision need to be made. Both Clinton and Obama will wait and wait and
then they may make the decision.

Decisiveness is only one trait of leadership, and it definitely helps if
you are right, but I was asking a serious question. I personally think
Bush is the worst President in my lifetime, but you obviously don't. I
was seriously asking what you think his successes will be. I'll give you
Iraq *could* eventually be a success, but what else has he done
successfully?

Bush will be remembered as the President who brought democracy to Iraq and
Afghanistan, dealing severe blows to al-Qaeda worldwide while defeating it
in Iraq, bringing this country back from the results of 9/11, and
preventing another attack during his term.

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:00:40 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:27:49 -0600, wrote:

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:11:01 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:35:47 -0500, BAR wrote:


At best, Bush will be remembered by history as a mediocre President,
more likely, he will be remembered as one of the worst.
It will take 20 to 40 years to find out.

I'm just curious, what do you consider will be his successes?

He did rather than talked. When action was required he took action.

A trait of leadership is being able to make a decision. It may be the
wrong decision but at least it was a decision. Contrast this with Bush's
predecessor and follower who are afraid to make decisions when the
decision need to be made. Both Clinton and Obama will wait and wait and
then they may make the decision.

Decisiveness is only one trait of leadership, and it definitely helps if
you are right, but I was asking a serious question. I personally think
Bush is the worst President in my lifetime, but you obviously don't. I
was seriously asking what you think his successes will be. I'll give you
Iraq *could* eventually be a success, but what else has he done
successfully?

Bush will be remembered as the President who brought democracy to Iraq and
Afghanistan, dealing severe blows to al-Qaeda worldwide while defeating it
in Iraq, bringing this country back from the results of 9/11, and
preventing another attack during his term.


The taliban are coming back into power in Afghanistan. Bad planning.


They're flexing now that Obama is in the works. Hopefully he won't play the
liberal game and crawl under a shell thinking it will all go away if we
just be nice.

"John H" wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:27:49 -0600, wrote:

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:11:01 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:35:47 -0500, BAR wrote:


At best, Bush will be remembered by history as a mediocre President,
more likely, he will be remembered as one of the worst.
It will take 20 to 40 years to find out.

I'm just curious, what do you consider will be his successes?

He did rather than talked. When action was required he took action.

A trait of leadership is being able to make a decision. It may be the
wrong decision but at least it was a decision. Contrast this with Bush's
predecessor and follower who are afraid to make decisions when the
decision need to be made. Both Clinton and Obama will wait and wait and
then they may make the decision.

Decisiveness is only one trait of leadership, and it definitely helps if
you are right, but I was asking a serious question. I personally think
Bush is the worst President in my lifetime, but you obviously don't. I
was seriously asking what you think his successes will be. I'll give you
Iraq *could* eventually be a success, but what else has he done
successfully?

Bush will be remembered as the President who brought democracy to Iraq and
Afghanistan, dealing severe blows to al-Qaeda worldwide while defeating it
in Iraq, bringing this country back from the results of 9/11, and
preventing another attack during his term.


The taliban are coming back into power in Afghanistan. Bad planning.

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:27:49 -0600, wrote:

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:11:01 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:35:47 -0500, BAR wrote:


At best, Bush will be remembered by history as a mediocre President,
more likely, he will be remembered as one of the worst.
It will take 20 to 40 years to find out.

I'm just curious, what do you consider will be his successes?

He did rather than talked. When action was required he took action.

A trait of leadership is being able to make a decision. It may be the
wrong decision but at least it was a decision. Contrast this with Bush's
predecessor and follower who are afraid to make decisions when the
decision need to be made. Both Clinton and Obama will wait and wait and
then they may make the decision.

Decisiveness is only one trait of leadership, and it definitely helps if
you are right, but I was asking a serious question. I personally think
Bush is the worst President in my lifetime, but you obviously don't. I
was seriously asking what you think his successes will be. I'll give you
Iraq *could* eventually be a success, but what else has he done
successfully?

Iraq a success? Far too much blood and treasure just to kill one
relatively harmless [outside his borders, at least] asshole. They
should have sent about four gunsels and had done with him. They denied
his appeal and he swung in about three days. The guy who dragged
someone to death behind a pickup is still waiting to die after ten
years.

Casady

On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:01:49 -0500, BAR wrote:

36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat but has never posted a photo of it,
however, he has posted photos of his puny Parker

There is an outfit by that name in Columbus OH that builds wooden
boats. Who in their right mind would want a wood 36 footer. Can you
say 'upkeep'.

Casady

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:46:00 +0000, Richard Casady wrote:


Iraq a success? Far too much blood and treasure just to kill one
relatively harmless [outside his borders, at least] asshole. They should
have sent about four gunsels and had done with him.

I can't disagree. We've shed as much American blood bringing democracy
to Iraq, as we shed during our own Revolutionary War. So far, there are
a little over 4,200 American KIA in Iraq. During the Revolutionary War,
there were 4,435 KIA.