John H wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:47:57 -0500, Boater wrote:

D.Duck wrote:

You DO know this Boater is a fake don't you?

Reggie is in my bozo bin along with the rest of the turds.
Smells much better in here now. Herring realized he was in there and
changed his handle to get around it...poor dumb schitt thinks that still
works...but the log says no, no, no.

:)

Starting tomorrow, that name-calling will earn a name, address, and
telephone number posting.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

I think it makes sense to post his Name, address and phone number EVERY
time he mentions his Bozo Bin.

On Jan 1, 11:05*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:21:15 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."





wrote:
John H wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:47:57 -0500, Boater wrote:

D.Duck wrote:

You DO know this Boater is a fake don't you?

Reggie is in my bozo bin along with the rest of the turds.
Smells much better in here now. Herring realized he was in there and
changed his handle to get around it...poor dumb schitt thinks that still
works...but the log says no, no, no.

:)

Starting tomorrow, that name-calling will earn a name, address, and
telephone number posting.
--
** Good Day! **

* * John H

I think it makes sense to post his Name, address and phone number EVERY
time he mentions his Bozo Bin. *

You handle the Bozo Bin.

There, I've partially broken a resolution already, talking 'about' him. Oh
well, some are meant to be broken.
--
** Good Day! **

* * John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

C'mon John, do it for the rest of us

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:21:15 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:47:57 -0500, Boater wrote:

D.Duck wrote:

You DO know this Boater is a fake don't you?

Reggie is in my bozo bin along with the rest of the turds.
Smells much better in here now. Herring realized he was in there and
changed his handle to get around it...poor dumb schitt thinks that still
works...but the log says no, no, no.

:)

Starting tomorrow, that name-calling will earn a name, address, and
telephone number posting.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

I think it makes sense to post his Name, address and phone number EVERY
time he mentions his Bozo Bin.

You handle the Bozo Bin.

There, I've partially broken a resolution already, talking 'about' him. Oh
well, some are meant to be broken.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:04:22 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 1, 11:05*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:21:15 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."





wrote:
John H wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:47:57 -0500, Boater wrote:

D.Duck wrote:

You DO know this Boater is a fake don't you?

Reggie is in my bozo bin along with the rest of the turds.
Smells much better in here now. Herring realized he was in there and
changed his handle to get around it...poor dumb schitt thinks that still
works...but the log says no, no, no.

:)

Starting tomorrow, that name-calling will earn a name, address, and
telephone number posting.
--
** Good Day! **

* * John H

I think it makes sense to post his Name, address and phone number EVERY
time he mentions his Bozo Bin. *

You handle the Bozo Bin.

There, I've partially broken a resolution already, talking 'about' him. Oh
well, some are meant to be broken.
--
** Good Day! **

* * John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

C'mon John, do it for the rest of us

Do what?
--
** Good Day! **

John H

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:04:22 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 1, 11:05 am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:21:15 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."





wrote:
John H wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:47:57 -0500, Boater
wrote:

D.Duck wrote:

You DO know this Boater is a fake don't you?

Reggie is in my bozo bin along with the rest of the turds.
Smells much better in here now. Herring realized he was in there and
changed his handle to get around it...poor dumb schitt thinks that
still
works...but the log says no, no, no.

:)

Starting tomorrow, that name-calling will earn a name, address, and
telephone number posting.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

I think it makes sense to post his Name, address and phone number EVERY
time he mentions his Bozo Bin.

You handle the Bozo Bin.

There, I've partially broken a resolution already, talking 'about' him.
Oh
well, some are meant to be broken.
--
** Good Day! **

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

C'mon John, do it for the rest of us

Do what?
--
** Good Day! **

John H

Get a life and stop obsessing on Harry!

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...

"D K" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:29:54 -0400, "Don White"

wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:34:39 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:03:49 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III,
Esq."
wrote:

We are thinking about using this downturn in the housing market
to
build
a new home, and acting as our own General Contractor. Has anyone
in
the
group done this and do they have any words of advice?
Yes, with three houses and two workshops. Not only was I General
Contractor, I was also 50% of the labor.

Your only real savings, in this market, will be sweat equity. You
can
buy cheaper than you can build.... you just have to find an
equally
desperate mortgagee and mortgagor.... or you could do it the seat
equity route, if you have the cash, tools, and a desire to make it
happen.

No bank is going to let *you* (as their mortgagor) serve as
General
Contractor unless you hold a contractor's license.

Advice? You're crazy to even attempt it...... uh, but wasn't I
thinking about adding on to the workshop.....

.... Oh, never mind......

It's an incredible burner of time. I had to do it because the
general I
hired to build a custom home in Northern Virginia turned out to be
way
overextended financially from previous projects, and could not line
up
the subs I wanted, and was teetering.

I can imagine the waste of time. I had the misfortune to have my
house torched once - if it wasn't for a neighbor coming home at 2 AM
and raising the alarm we might have been killed.
Anyway, I hired a private adjuster, and you wouldn't believe the
****
I went through with him and his crews.
Had to show his "carpenter" how to cut stringers.
Came home from work one day and his "plaster guys" had done the
kitchen with 1/2" drywall, no shims, to replace the nearly full inch
of plaster and lath. There was almost a half inch gap between the
door and window casings and the drywall.
Had it all torn out by the next day I got home from work, but there
was always some BS waiting for me.
I'd leave work saying, "Let's see what they ****ed up today."
Anyway, I finally got everything done about 85% right, but I never
yelled so much and got in so many faces in such a short period of
time. Actually, I went easy on the crews, they were what they were,
but laid into the adjuster, who's really a GC, a lot.
What was good is the adjuster did keep us in the house because he
was
real good at getting the essentials quickly restored.
That was important to me as I had the wife and 4 little kids to
think
about, and work, so there was no way I even had time to be my own
general.
Win some, lose some.

--Vic
In 1976 when I was a lot younger and more energetic, I built a cedar
cape
Cod style house myself.
This was the norm up this way at that time. In fact, there was a
Provincial
Govt program where those with minimal savings for a downpayment could
use
sweat equity in order to get a $23K mortgage to build.
Of course I couldn't build my house for that amount...the program was
geared
to small bungalows on modest serviced lots.
I had to find a 2nd mortgage for another $9K. Thought I was in debt
up to
my eyeballs way back then..... but the house was beautiful.on a 2/3
acre lot
with well & septic system way out in the country (about 20 miles from
city
center) To add to my financial burden, I traded in my 5 yr old
Volkswagen
Beatle for a $5K Dodge Aspen S/W.
It all started in march of 1975 when I took over a share in a co-op
program
when a member was transfered to the states by his company.
Wife and I cleared the lot of trees & brush while snow was still on
the
ground so we could burn off as much as possible in big bonfires.
I hired a company to dig the foundation hole and another to put up
the
concrete foundation. Got my brother and a few buddies to help out
putting
the 1st floor on...then the wife and I would build the walls and ask
relatives to show up to help erect same.
The big 4' x 12" x 16' douglas fir beams were tricky to put up (post
& beam
construction). Once, my brother & law and I fell off the ladders
dropping
the beam and narrowly missing me on the floor.
I did hire a friend of my wifes' family to help finish off the double
course
cedar shingles on the exterior walls, and another guy to lay the
asphalt
shingles on the roof.
(turned out the roofing guy was married to a cousin of mine).
Once inside, an old friend who was a licensed electrician got the
permit but
a friend of my brothers (apprentice electrician) did the work.
Next we got other neighbourhood friends to do the plumbing while home
for
Christmas vacation from Alberta.
Lastly the in-laws gyprocked the entire house no charge. I just
supplied
the materials.
Finally got in in February 1976.
A few years later I added an attached 1.5 story garage all by myself.
Now when I have a project, I hire a guy from my wifes' former company
to do
most of the work while I act as assistant. (re addition for mon in
2002,
replacement of all the old windows with vinyl, tearing down of old
garage &
building of 2 new sheds, decking & fence additions etc)


A 1ft by 4ft by 16ft beam is a hefty beam all right.

--
** Good Day! **

John H

Lord help us! I hope you don't ever plan to build your own house.
When I put a " after a number...that means INCHES
when I put a ' after a number...that meens FEET
so...4"x12" x 16' means a four inch thick by 12 inches wide beam 16
feet long.

Wrong. It's 3-1/2" X 11-1/4" X 16'


Depends. If it is dimensional lumber or older lumber. My mothers house
was built in 1908. A 2x4 is 2" by 4". A problem when having to replace
a piece of lumber.

Up here, the lumber yards use the old measurements when selling
dimensional product.
Everyone with half a brain (sorry Johnny) knows that a 2" x 4" is really 1
5/8 x 3 5/8 inches


It is that everywhere now. But a 2x4 in years past was really 2" by 4" and
rough on the sides.

"D K" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:07:51 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:48:59 -0400, "Don White"

wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...
"D K" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:29:54 -0400, "Don White"

wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:34:39 -0500, Boater

wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:03:49 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III,
Esq."
wrote:

We are thinking about using this downturn in the housing
market to
build
a new home, and acting as our own General Contractor. Has
anyone in
the
group done this and do they have any words of advice?
Yes, with three houses and two workshops. Not only was I
General
Contractor, I was also 50% of the labor.

Your only real savings, in this market, will be sweat equity.
You can
buy cheaper than you can build.... you just have to find an
equally
desperate mortgagee and mortgagor.... or you could do it the
seat
equity route, if you have the cash, tools, and a desire to
make it
happen.

No bank is going to let *you* (as their mortgagor) serve as
General
Contractor unless you hold a contractor's license.

Advice? You're crazy to even attempt it...... uh, but wasn't I
thinking about adding on to the workshop.....

.... Oh, never mind......
It's an incredible burner of time. I had to do it because the
general I
hired to build a custom home in Northern Virginia turned out to
be way
overextended financially from previous projects, and could not
line up
the subs I wanted, and was teetering.

I can imagine the waste of time. I had the misfortune to have
my
house torched once - if it wasn't for a neighbor coming home at
2 AM
and raising the alarm we might have been killed.
Anyway, I hired a private adjuster, and you wouldn't believe the
****
I went through with him and his crews.
Had to show his "carpenter" how to cut stringers.
Came home from work one day and his "plaster guys" had done the
kitchen with 1/2" drywall, no shims, to replace the nearly full
inch
of plaster and lath. There was almost a half inch gap between
the
door and window casings and the drywall.
Had it all torn out by the next day I got home from work, but
there
was always some BS waiting for me.
I'd leave work saying, "Let's see what they ****ed up today."
Anyway, I finally got everything done about 85% right, but I
never
yelled so much and got in so many faces in such a short period
of
time. Actually, I went easy on the crews, they were what they
were,
but laid into the adjuster, who's really a GC, a lot.
What was good is the adjuster did keep us in the house because
he was
real good at getting the essentials quickly restored.
That was important to me as I had the wife and 4 little kids to
think
about, and work, so there was no way I even had time to be my
own
general.
Win some, lose some.

--Vic
In 1976 when I was a lot younger and more energetic, I built a
cedar cape
Cod style house myself.
This was the norm up this way at that time. In fact, there was a
Provincial
Govt program where those with minimal savings for a downpayment
could use
sweat equity in order to get a $23K mortgage to build.
Of course I couldn't build my house for that amount...the program
was geared
to small bungalows on modest serviced lots.
I had to find a 2nd mortgage for another $9K. Thought I was in
debt up to
my eyeballs way back then..... but the house was beautiful.on a
2/3 acre lot
with well & septic system way out in the country (about 20 miles
from city
center) To add to my financial burden, I traded in my 5 yr old
Volkswagen
Beatle for a $5K Dodge Aspen S/W.
It all started in march of 1975 when I took over a share in a
co-op program
when a member was transfered to the states by his company.
Wife and I cleared the lot of trees & brush while snow was still
on the
ground so we could burn off as much as possible in big bonfires.
I hired a company to dig the foundation hole and another to put
up the
concrete foundation. Got my brother and a few buddies to help out
putting
the 1st floor on...then the wife and I would build the walls and
ask
relatives to show up to help erect same.
The big 4' x 12" x 16' douglas fir beams were tricky to put up
(post & beam
construction). Once, my brother & law and I fell off the ladders
dropping
the beam and narrowly missing me on the floor.
I did hire a friend of my wifes' family to help finish off the
double course
cedar shingles on the exterior walls, and another guy to lay the
asphalt
shingles on the roof.
(turned out the roofing guy was married to a cousin of mine).
Once inside, an old friend who was a licensed electrician got the
permit but
a friend of my brothers (apprentice electrician) did the work.
Next we got other neighbourhood friends to do the plumbing while
home for
Christmas vacation from Alberta.
Lastly the in-laws gyprocked the entire house no charge. I just
supplied
the materials.
Finally got in in February 1976.
A few years later I added an attached 1.5 story garage all by
myself.
Now when I have a project, I hire a guy from my wifes' former
company to do
most of the work while I act as assistant. (re addition for mon
in 2002,
replacement of all the old windows with vinyl, tearing down of
old garage &
building of 2 new sheds, decking & fence additions etc)


A 1ft by 4ft by 16ft beam is a hefty beam all right.

--
** Good Day! **

John H
Lord help us! I hope you don't ever plan to build your own house.
When I put a " after a number...that means INCHES
when I put a ' after a number...that meens FEET
so...4"x12" x 16' means a four inch thick by 12 inches wide beam
16 feet long.
Wrong. It's 3-1/2" X 11-1/4" X 16'

Depends. If it is dimensional lumber or older lumber. My mothers
house was built in 1908. A 2x4 is 2" by 4". A problem when having
to replace a piece of lumber.
Up here, the lumber yards use the old measurements when selling
dimensional product.
Everyone with half a brain (sorry Johnny) knows that a 2" x 4" is
really 1 5/8 x 3 5/8 inches
Hey Donnie, what's a * 4' x 12" x 16' *?

Or are you going to say it was just a typo?
--
** Good Day! **

John H
That is a very unusual and special piece of lumber. VEry hard to find
in most lumber yards. It is 4 ft. x 12" x 16 ft.

It's even bigger than any bridge timbers I've ever worked with. Hell, now
I
know who's been cutting down our giant sequoias.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

It's usually douglas fir or yellow pine.


And a glulam beam.

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:57:18 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
.. .


Up here, the lumber yards use the old measurements when selling
dimensional product.
Everyone with half a brain (sorry Johnny) knows that a 2" x 4" is really 1
5/8 x 3 5/8 inches


It is that everywhere now. But a 2x4 in years past was really 2" by 4" and
rough on the sides.

Heh. That 1 5/8 by 3 5/8 is what I remember buying as 2x4's when I
first started buying lumber.
When I noticed it was 1 1/2 by 3 1/2 some years ago I looked up when
it changed to the smaller dimensions, but got no real answer.
Still confused. Maybe I was getting Canadian stuff.
Found this, but I don't have enough beer in the house to get through
it.
http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/misc/miscpub_6409.pdf

--Vic

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 18:14:21 -0500, wrote:



I think you will find they are 38mm x 89mm now along with that plywood
that is 12mm and 18mm. The approximate "inch" designations like 15/32
plywood are just for old geezers who don't believe in the commie
metric system.

Is that the system that was supposed to be on the road signs 30 years
ago?
When I had a '64 VW bug, I had every metric wrench needed for it and
could estimate metric nut/bolt sizes with about 99% accuracy.
Still remember the engine to bell housing nuts were 17mm.
Junked it in '74, and never needed to know a metric weight/measure
since. Wish I could forget that 17mm.
Of course I'm not the one plotting space vehicle trajectories that
crash into Mars because of confusing meters and yards.

--Vic

Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...

Our house in Essex is full size rough cut 2x8's and 10's of Chestnut,
it's a hundred year house. Across the street the house is 200 and has
the same rough cut beams as well as 20-30 inch planks for walls under
the clapboard...

Happy new year guys!
JustWaitAFrekinMinute...
************************************************** **************

Better watch out..the guy who doesn't know what kind of 2 stroke oil to put
in his 4 stroke engine, or how to winterize an engine after boating for 75
years
will be all over you for having 8 foot wide lumber.



You really do get dumber by the minute!